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Time to end radio pranks?

With the news of the nurse who committed suicide, there are posters on the NYRMB calling for an end to pranks on the radio. If only the radio industry would listen those failed industry people on the NYRMB, everything in the radio world would be so much better off. ::)
 
No it's not. Nobody could foresee what was going to come out of that prank. It was all in fun but unfortunately the "royals" don't have a sense of humor.
 
This kind of prank has already been ended in the U.S. thanks to section 73.1206 of the FCC rules, so there's not much to discuss. Any prank call heard on American radio now is played by actors which seems pretty lame, but I suppose it eliminates problems like this.
 
Exactly. Here is the rule:

Before recording a telephone conversation for broadcast, or broadcasting such a conversation simultaneously with its occurrence, a licensee shall inform any party to the call of the licensee's intention to broadcast the conversation.

The DJs in question were from Australia. They may not have such a rule there. But I know this has been in effect here as long as I can remember. I've studied audio tapes from the 50s where the station imbedded a "beep" to let the person know they were on the air. They used to call the news phone a beeper for this reason.

But perhaps we're all jumping to conclusions here. There has been no evidence that I've seen yet that the suicide was caused by the prank.
 
Theater of My Mind said:
This kind of prank has already been ended in the U.S. thanks to section 73.1206 of the FCC rules, so there's not much to discuss. Any prank call heard on American radio now is played by actors which seems pretty lame, but I suppose it eliminates problems like this.

i dunno, i'd still like to think phone scams are real ;o)...#magiciansneverrevealtheirsecrets ;o)....

As for this lady, something is seriously wrong with her mentally if she did something that drastic. either that, or she had a really crappy day and that was the final straw. no way the radio station would have known that. just bad luck of the draw on their part. the idea wasn't even all that funny.
 
Shredder said:
As for this lady, something is seriously wrong with her mentally if she did something that drastic. either that, or she had a really crappy day and that was the final straw. no way the radio station would have known that. just bad luck of the draw on their part. the idea wasn't even all that funny.

We talked about it at work. A few of us thought that it quite impressive. The fact that they were very poorly executed, yet still got as far as they did, says more about hospital procedures than the actions of a couple of fill-in jocks. The one thing that was overlooked in this stunt, was the unforeseen reactions of the "victims". No one could see it coming, and I doubt the 2DAY FM jocks thought the publicity would be as big as it was. 2DAY FM does have form, when it comes to courting controversy, and have had a number of licence conditions placed on them in recent months, following various code breaches over recent years. Add to this, major advertisers jumping off when the heat is on, makes for some hard choices ahead.
 
Exactly, Lee. It exposes a weak link in the hospital chain of command.

The same way the Baba-Booey calls to news organizations highlight the lack of verifying sources before putting them on the air. Each network is so hot to scoop the other that they rush the "chief of police" or "mayor of Philadelphia" on the air.

Anyone remember that brilliant "I see OJ" call to Peter Jennings?

I would rather keep pranks and lose the NYRMB.
 
PS- "BABA-BOOEY, BABA-BOOEY, HOWARD STERN"

Hey, I just pranked the board!!
 
The same way the Baba-Booey calls to news organizations highlight the lack of verifying sources before putting them on the air. Each network is so hot to scoop the other that they rush the "chief of police" or "mayor of Philadelphia" on the air.

As a former national network news anchor, it's NOT about "scooping" anybody else. It's about getting the most current information to an anxious public as fast as possible.

In cases of plane crashes or similar events involving many deaths, people become concerned that they might know somebody impacted. In the case of storms or earthquakes, the news types might be passing on lifesaving information.

In the newsrooms, professionals are scrambling under constant deadline pressure to use any source they can to provide as much meaningful information as they can, more because it is their responsibility, and their calling, than any competitive pressure. In those instances you only focus on your listeners, as if you are their only source of information they may desperately want, or need.

And in the midst of all this confusion comes a Baba-Booey call from some moron who has nothing better to do than exploit a tragic situation, to remind the world of his own mental illness, and the fact that his mind never really matured past grammar school age. And his stunt wouldn't even be funny to most grammar school kids. Thankfully it's only funny to a small percentage of the population that apparently shares his problem of stunted psychological growth and maturity development. The rest of the adult population either recoils at the offense, or just doesn't get it at all and is mystified about what it is supposed to mean.

There is a time and a place for good comedy and humor, but a time of breaking news coverage that may involve the tragic loss of life or serious injury isn't one of them. Truly these prank callers need to "get real" and "get a good shrink" if they haven't got one already.

Bottom line: They ain't funny, and they ain't Howard. If the wannabees need to get it out of their system they should get their own podcast and hope somebody with the same kind of arrested development actually listens, because no "normal" person voluntarily would.
 
What's at issue here is responsibility. Airheads who do "whacky" morning shows appear to lack the responsibility gene. The nurse who killed herself seems to have taken responsibility very seriously. We listeners in effect cast a vote about responsibility when we listen to mindless chatter on the radio.
 
As a former national network news anchor, it's NOT about "scooping" anybody else. It's about getting the most current information to an anxious public as fast as possible.

In cases of plane crashes or similar events involving many deaths, people become concerned that they might know somebody impacted. In the case of storms or earthquakes, the news types might be passing on lifesaving information.

In the newsrooms, professionals are scrambling under constant deadline pressure to use any source they can to provide as much meaningful information as they can, more because it is their responsibility, and their calling, than any competitive pressure. In those instances you only focus on your listeners, as if you are their only source of information they may desperately want, or need.

And in the midst of all this confusion comes a Baba-Booey call from some moron who has nothing better to do than exploit a tragic situation, to remind the world of his own mental illness, and the fact that his mind never really matured past grammar school age. And his stunt wouldn't even be funny to most grammar school kids. Thankfully it's only funny to a small percentage of the population that apparently shares his problem of stunted psychological growth and maturity development. The rest of the adult population either recoils at the offense, or just doesn't get it at all and is mystified about what it is supposed to mean.

There is a time and a place for good comedy and humor, but a time of breaking news coverage that may involve the tragic loss of life or serious injury isn't one of them. Truly these prank callers need to "get real" and "get a good shrink" if they haven't got one already.

Bottom line: They ain't funny, and they ain't Howard. If the wannabees need to get it out of their system they should get their own podcast and hope somebody with the same kind of arrested development actually listens, because no "normal" person voluntarily would.

How hard is it to get a call-back number and verify, using the internet, that it actually is the person they say they are prior to going on the air? Would an extra 25 seconds of verification make a difference, other than the prank not getting on the air?

Excuses, excuses, excuses...

It is too about scooping and getting ratings. Don't try and sell me any other line of b.s. It's a business first, a news organization second. The days of Edward R. Murrow are long gone, and these cable news operations have 24 hours a day to fill.

And you can't tell me that Peter Jennings sitting there like a dummy while this guy was doing a bad Amos and Andy accent wasn't funny. There was nothing serious about the OJ case as far as dangers to an anxious public, the two people involved were already dead and OJ wasn't about to go on a spree or crash a plane. No, it was coverage that generated ratings. People watching the world's slowest police chase that happened to involve a famous actor and football star. They didn't break in to OJ coverage for public service.

As far as these boobs in Australia go, and the nurse, to me the problem isn't the phone call or the hospital. It's that there is a family of freeloaders in England that everyone's terrified about. That's scarier to me, that she was so ashamed/afraid that she offed herself.
 
How hard is it to get a call-back number and verify, using the internet, that it actually is the person they say they are prior to going on the air? Would an extra 25 seconds of verification make a difference, other than the prank not getting on the air?

It can be impossible to quickly verify the number in these situations. How do you trace and "verify" a cell phone number? You don't know if the public official rushed out and is using somebody else's phone. You don't know if the official has asked to use the phone in somebody else's office or home.

And, unfortunately, under this kind of time pressure the extra 25-seconds may make a difference. The official may have other people who want his immediate attention, if you opt to call him, or her, back you may lose contact and whatever is important to your audience may not get reported to them. Everybody involved is under extreme second-to-second time pressure in these situations.

It is too about scooping and getting ratings. Don't try and sell me any other line of b.s. It's a business first, a news organization second. The days of Edward R. Murrow are long gone, and these cable news operations have 24 hours a day to fill.

Do you really think that when a plane crashes in a neighborhood with massive loss of life and homes on the ground on fire, that professional reporters covering this breaking news really have time, or any human inclination, to worry about "ratings" or "scooping the competition?" In "professional" news organizations, management worries about the business, a program director type worries about the ratings over time, and the news staff worries about putting out the best possible news product for their audience.

Believe me, when major news is breaking those newsrooms are NOT worried about how they are going to fill their 24-hours of airtime. And the short-term emergency ratings boost probably has little impact on the long-term bottom line of the organization anyway.

Excuses, excuses, excuses...

First of all, those "pranked" don't need to make any excuses. They are doing what's right and reasonable. And the only real "excuse" that is reasonable is the mental illness of the prankster. A juvenile mind in an adult body calling out for attention from a world he desperately wants to feel important in. A pathetic sick-O can use that "excuse" for his always inappropriate actions, and most reasonable people would take pity on him, and suggest he get some professional help.

The news types who get "pranked" in these sudden pressure cooker situations understandably may have to trust that a caller is who he claims to be, and with millions of people honestly concerned about the situation, and everybody scrambling to make sense of it, it is easy to forget that somewhere out there, possibly still living in his mother's basement at age-48, is a Howard Stern wannabee who has waited all his life for his 20-seconds on the big stage, and so he utters Babba-Booey Babba-Booey into a phone while alone in his room, and suddenly his pathetic little life has meaning. In his own warped mind he is a star, while the millions who heard him think he is sick scum.

I have never seen the Jennings tape, but it doesn't matter. Millions of people were watching what they thought was a legitimate real-time news story and nobody was sure how it was going to end. No excuses for the prankster, it was totally inappropriate, and dishonest.

No way, I am going to defend the Royal family, but it may be likely that two kids in England would still have a mother, and a good hospital would still employ a good nurse, if two misguided Australians could have thought of a better way to try to be legitimately entertaining on their radio show.
 
I have never seen the Jennings tape, but it doesn't matter. Millions of people were watching what they thought was a legitimate real-time news story and nobody was sure how it was going to end. No excuses for the prankster, it was totally inappropriate, and dishonest.

Yeah, OJ was important. Worth breaking in to the news for. Just like Lindsay Lohan updates.

http://www.poynter.org/how-tos/newsgathering-storytelling/chip-on-your-shoulder/10039/if-your-mother-says-she-loves-you-a-reporters-cautionary-tale/

There's still no excuse for news organizations getting bombed by fake callers as much as they do. Once in awhile one is going to slip through the cracks, but every time there's some big live story, you can count down to the Baba-Booey call. That tells me that something is broken. Even when I used to do school closings on the air, each school had a password they gave. Public institutions like the mayor's office, fire chief, police chief etc. don't change on a dime. How hard would it be to have a 2 second "secret question" that gets asked before the call goes live.
 
TimeIsTight said:
No way, I am going to defend the Royal family, but it may be likely that two kids in England would still have a mother, and a good hospital would still employ a good nurse, if two misguided Australians could have thought of a better way to try to be legitimately entertaining on their radio show.

You sound like Bob Costas. :)
 
TimeIsTight said:
The same way the Baba-Booey calls to news organizations highlight the lack of verifying sources before putting them on the air. Each network is so hot to scoop the other that they rush the "chief of police" or "mayor of Philadelphia" on the air.

As a former national network news anchor, it's NOT about "scooping" anybody else. It's about getting the most current information to an anxious public as fast as possible.

In cases of plane crashes or similar events involving many deaths, people become concerned that they might know somebody impacted. In the case of storms or earthquakes, the news types might be passing on lifesaving information.

In the newsrooms, professionals are scrambling under constant deadline pressure to use any source they can to provide as much meaningful information as they can, more because it is their responsibility, and their calling, than any competitive pressure. In those instances you only focus on your listeners, as if you are their only source of information they may desperately want, or need.

And in the midst of all this confusion comes a Baba-Booey call from some moron who has nothing better to do than exploit a tragic situation, to remind the world of his own mental illness, and the fact that his mind never really matured past grammar school age. And his stunt wouldn't even be funny to most grammar school kids. Thankfully it's only funny to a small percentage of the population that apparently shares his problem of stunted psychological growth and maturity development. The rest of the adult population either recoils at the offense, or just doesn't get it at all and is mystified about what it is supposed to mean.

There is a time and a place for good comedy and humor, but a time of breaking news coverage that may involve the tragic loss of life or serious injury isn't one of them. Truly these prank callers need to "get real" and "get a good shrink" if they haven't got one already.

Bottom line: They ain't funny, and they ain't Howard. If the wannabees need to get it out of their system they should get their own podcast and hope somebody with the same kind of arrested development actually listens, because no "normal" person voluntarily would.

OK,tough guy.
 
Re: Time To End Radio Pranks?

Yeah, remember when Howard Stern would play someone calling EWTN and asking Mother Angelica if she would spread for Baba Booey? She just calls that caller "Sick!" Well, those Aussie d.j.s were just sick in what they did!
 
Yeah, OJ was important. Worth breaking in to the news for. Just like Lindsay Lohan updates.

Just so you know, I am with you on both of those points.

every time there's some big live story, you can count down to the Baba-Booey call.

Unfortunately, that may be more of an indication of the number of sick minds among Howard fans, than any malfeasance in news departments during the time crunch of big breaking stories. You don't hear Baba-Booey calls during routine news days, because the staffs have time to check.

I read the Poynter story you linked to, and I couldn't agree more about the need to verify everything when you have the "luxury of time" which is not the case when big news breaks quickly. I know print journalists who won't go with a story, quote or comment unless they can verify it from "Three" independent sources. It's the professional way to do it when you have the time, but you can't do it when you have to go directly to air ten minutes after an oil refinery explodes.

Yes, those code words do work for verification, but do you really know you're ever gonna want a live statement from the mayor of Little Ferry, NJ? And, in the heat of a major incident, is that mayor really going to remember any code words more than a dozen media outlets may assign to him at the beginning of his term?

The bottom line is: The prank calls are an intentional fraudulent intrusion using misrepresented identity. Perhaps we need a Baba-Booey law making intentional calls like that illegal, with some jail time attached. With modern tracing technology and voice printing it would be an easy conviction to get. But it would be a whole lot better for everybody if some "adults" would just act their age and forget Baba-Booey when they aren't listening to Howard.
 
On the NYRMB, they are always saying that so many things are inappropriate on the radio. As far as the discussion in this thread, I think Howard Stern should have requested that they stop making those prank calls when people have been killed, but those pranks on the Howard Stern show are different than these pranks we're talking about.
 
TTalkradio1 said:
but those pranks on the Howard Stern show are different than these pranks we're talking about.

Exactly. No one has killed themself because they got a "Babba Booey" on their show. To compare it is silly.

By the way, typically, the prank caller gets past the call screener by giving a very normal subject for his call. And it starts off that way. Then the prank begins. They're not calling in to a hospital and asking about the condition of a Duchess.

Also, I've tried calling in to a US hospital trying to get the condition of a relative, and I've never been connected to a nurse unless I can prove I'm immediate family. It usually stops at the main desk. To have a guy in falsetto say he's the Queen, and that call was routed to someone with direct knowledge was the fault of the hospital, not the radio guy or the nurse. This whole discussion is absurd.
 
I absolutely defend what Mel Greig and Michael Christian did on their radio program. They were doing their jobs.

Unfortunately, the recently deceased Ms. Jacintha Saldanha who put the call through to the nurse, apparently did not do her job properly. Either that, or London’s King Edward VII hospital did not train their staff well, oversee their staff well, or have in place security policies that would, if followed correctly, have almost entirely prevented the incident from ever occurring.

It is a tragedy that anyone died. It is especially sad when someone takes their own life, and even more so when it is done for a STUPID reason. Her family is surely going through an ordeal no family should have to bear, but unfortunately it happens more often than it should.

HOWEVER... There has been NO PROOF offered thus far that Saldanha committed suicide due to this prank phone call. Only mere speculation has been offered by hundreds of thousands of people around the world hearing media accounts of the tragedy and offering their uneducated and unsubstantiated OPINIONS as to why she killed herself.

In the U.S., in order to prove homicide, criminal prosecutors have to prove intent to cause death. I doubt anyone can seriously pontificate that these two shock jocks intended to cause death. The more likely charge would be reckless homicide or involuntary manslaughter. A classic example of reckless homicide is a case in which someone is drinking and driving and causes an accident which kills someone. Other examples might include situations in which people throw or drop objects which could cause injuries in areas where people are present. For example, if someone drops a cinderblock into the street from the top floor of a building and someone is struck and killed by the block, the person could be charged with reckless homicide.

Reckless behavior is behavior which could lead to injurious or fatal consequences which someone decides to engage in despite these consequences. To demonstrate that someone behaved in a manner which is reckless, it must be shown that the person was aware of the risks and chose to engage in the activity anyway. Thus, doing something like drinking and driving is reckless, because there is a well established and widely known danger involved in drinking and driving.

If Australian or English law mimics U.S. criminal law with respect to involuntary manslaughter, prosecutors will have to prove that victims of prank phone calls accomplished by media outlets are, on average, more likely than non-victims to commit self-bodily harm or full suicide to completion.

Perhaps law enforcement should take it one step further, and launch a criminal investigation of every media outlet throughout the world that provided news coverage of the original prank call prior to the suicide. Each outlet could then be named as a willing accomplice, as their actions further contributed to the alleged humiliation suffered by the victim, resulting in the involuntary manslaughter.

The contemplation of such actions by law enforcement is laughable. And a lot more funnier than the original prank.

It is far past time that someone speak up for Mel Greig and Michael Christian, two people whom I believe were doing their jobs the best way they knew how, and in the process trying to bring some entertainment and levity to their audience. It is unfortunate that ONE person may not have found their schtick amusing, and then went off and decided to commit suicide.

The sadder tragedy is that probably for the rest of their lives, they are going to be linked to this incident. Their careers have been severely damaged, and I only hope the damage is not irreparable.

Finally, it is safe to presume they really do feel guilt and sorrow about this. They certainly did not mean any harm to a woman whose name they didn't even know. And for that matter, until she committed suicide and her name was released, NO ONE OTHER THAN THE HOSPITAL KNEW HER NAME. NO ONE EVEN HEARD HER VOICE. It is likely that she was already suffering from a mental illness. Whether this incident further exacerbated that, no one knows. Absent a goodbye letter from her stating her reasons, there is no proof, only speculation.
 
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