To all the left wing whacko dopers

[oozingdisgust]

well lets see, there are posts bashing Bush about everything under the sun. There are posts wanting Carlsons and Wilburs free speech restricted, but want smut on the air unrestricted. And through all of this, the bias the right has been droning on about becomes just that much more apparent.

I could not find one post about the great and wonderful Air America stealing kids money in NYC, but plenty praising their lame and failing attempt to compete with conservative talk radio.

Despite the subject line, how abouts we talk about radio here, and keep the politics and hempwhoring to more politically slanted boards. I come here to see what is going on in radio, not to read rehashes of the same pointless arguments taking place in zillions of other places on the net. I dont care about karl rove and whether or not he was the source of the worst kept secret in DC, I dont even particularly care if the FCC wants to tell you that you cant say (BLEEP) or (BLEEP) on the air, basic decency standards are nothing new, and are certainly appropriate in the most basic and widespread comminication mediums (tv and radio). By the same token I really dont care if larry wants to sit on his lazy stoned butt all day, or if little bloy blue cant understand the consitution. This is a radio board, not a flippin hemp board, (BLEEP) board, left wing kook board, right wing wacko board, political blog.....

I'm not going to change the politcal views of the far left or the far right, but despite this being Seattle most everyone is pretty close to the middle and thinks the fringe's on both sides are useless and irrelevent. So how bout we stick to radio?

 

[StangBuddy]

> I could not find one post about the great and wonderful Air
> America stealing kids money in NYC, but plenty praising
> their lame and failing attempt to compete with conservative
> talk radio.

I've been listening to Air America quite a bit lately. There approach, with quite a few exceptions, needs a little focus. I'm sure, however, that any kind of publicity involving stealing kids money in NYC is nothing more than some bully stealing lunch money back in fourth grade. I guess only a dweeb in Manhatten could ever dream up that kind of scenario...

Beleive me a kid in NYC will figure out how to get the change out of your jock before you'll ever really give a s**t about it, or even feel sorry about the issue. But then you're here, telling us about those wretched children who've long ago needed protection, the church and an enlistment bonus. You've nothing to lose sleep over.

 

[LITTLEBOYBLUE]

> I'm not going to change the politcal views of the far left
> or the far right.... So how bout we stick to radio?

I apologize. I thought the whole concept of monitoring everything that goes on radio (and TV) so it falls within the boundaries of the Book of Revelations just might BE a radio issue?

The people being selected to advise the FCC may turn off the radio if they find the content offensive or find a station/channel more to their liking. Kind of in the same way that if my post(s) have offended you ... feel free to ignore them. I promise I won't be hurt ... just impressed at the step-up in your level of tolerance!!

 

[oozingdisgust]

> > I'm not going to change the politcal views of the far left
>
> > or the far right.... So how bout we stick to radio?
>
> I apologize. I thought the whole concept of monitoring
> everything that goes on radio (and TV) so it falls within
> the boundaries of the Book of Revelations just might BE a
> radio issue?
>
> The people being selected to advise the FCC may turn off the
> radio if they find the content offensive or find a
> station/channel more to their liking. Kind of in the same
> way that if my post(s) have offended you ... feel free to
> ignore them. I promise I won't be hurt ... just impressed
> at the step-up in your level of tolerance!!
>
Blue, if you look at my post count, I rarely post, in effect I am ignoring most posts that get too political. But lately it has been over the top.

A discussion about the FCC and there take on decency is legitimate until its an attack on those of the faith and morals crowd (where is this tolerance of their ideas you speak of, the comments from you and others towards that group is anything but tolerant).

I'm no right wing wacko and dont want any significant restrictions on free speach, but there are words and language that do not belong on the public airways, its not a matter of a nanny state (although I fail to see why its so wrong for the government to manage our entertainment, but that same crowd will gladly raise our taxes to manage peoples employment choices or lack there of, or any other aspect the government wants to control).

Its very easy to restrict the sale of "adult" goods such as playboy or hustler or beer or cigarettes, but its not that easy to control what a child and especially a teenager listens to. Granted if they are hell bent on listening to it they will find a way, but its wrong to say that parents should just change the dial or turn off the radio when their kid is in some other kids car at lunch at school listening to Tom Leykis or Howard Stern. I would actually accept this argument easier for tv as its not nearly as portable, easier for a parent to monitor, and there are many technologies to block or screen content. Not so with radio, plus a radio is much mor ubiquitous, and once the headphones are on very difficult to discern what they are listening to.

Back to tolerance, why is it always a one way street (on both sides of the politcal fence). Christians (right wing, left wing or down the middle) make up about 85 to 90% of the population, and even a higher percent support Christmas as a holiday yet Christmas cannot be mentioned in schools, but Ramadan and Kwanza can be, but the closest thing to a Christmas song is Frosty the snowman? You suggest tolerance, but where is the tolerance for any ideas that are different from your own?

Ignore you? Yea as I said I had, I rarely post because this place lately has gotten far too political, the politics of radio should be discussed, not the politics of Iraq, WMD's, Valerie Plame etc (which have all been bashed of recent) Nothing to do with radio, and the opinions expressed are as far from tolerant as one could be. Thats all......

 

[OldiesCat]

whacko dopers

It's just the reality that our kids are getting killed every day as we occupy a country we were lied to about why we went to war. This gigantic deception to the American people is costing us lives every day (not to mention tens of thousands of innocent Iraqis), it has erased our budget surplus and has many paying $3 a gallon for gas.

Hussein was a dictator and a creep but we were given one reason for invading his country (WMD and the imminent threat to the US) and now it's a completely different reason (spreading freedom). After we're finished "spreading freedom" in Iraq, which of the 138 other dictotatorships around the world are we going to overthrow next to we can continue to "spread freedom"?

Please keep this in mind before you answer: if your reply is a bunch of typical
right-wing "whacko/bias/liberal" junk, save it and don't bother. If you want to have a grown-up adult dialogue about this, answer the questions I've asked above in a mature manner.

Otherwise, you're just confirming what many in America think about the far right: you'll attack/attack/attack, divert attention, say we're against our troops, etc., but never, ever get around to answering these legitimate questions.

Your turn.

> well lets see, there are posts bashing Bush about everything
> under the sun. There are posts wanting Carlsons and Wilburs
> free speech restricted, but want smut on the air
> unrestricted. And through all of this, the bias the right
> has been droning on about becomes just that much more
> apparent.

 

[HackeySack]

Sure 90% of people SAY they're Christian...

So why is Janet Jackson's boob the most TIVO'd moment in the HISTROY of TIVO?

Why does Howard Stern continue to dominate in almost every market he's in if 90% are Chrsitian?

Why is Desperate Housewives the most popular show on TV, next to American Idol?

Why does Christian/Gospel radio (outside of "Positive CHR, Spirit 105.3, et al") not get ratings?

Because they're Christian (or atleast SAY they are) does that mean they disapprove of it?

The answer: It's easy to SAY you're Christian, but let's be honest here, hardly anyone I know is a devout as to say that what's on the goddamned radio is offending them, and if it is, THEY TURN IT OFF!

Can we PLEASE stop using this tired "do it for the children" excuse, it's really getting a bit boring. It's the same parents who set their child in front of an electronic babysitter (television) that campaign to "clean up the ariwaves." Yet, 1) the parents seem to have no problem with excessive violence, death, murder, VISIBLE sex, and drug use, but you CANNOT say "tit" on the air.. WHAT?" and 2) If the parents feel strongly enough, THEY WILL TURN IT OFF!?

Asking parents to be parents? WOW! What a freakin' concept.

Jesus loves you.

 

[oozingdisgust]

Re: whacko dopers

> It's just the reality that our kids are getting killed every
> day as we occupy a country we were lied to about why we went
> to war. This gigantic deception to the American people is
> costing us lives every day (not to mention tens of thousands
> of innocent Iraqis), it has erased our budget surplus and
> has many paying $3 a gallon for gas.
>
> Hussein was a dictator and a creep but we were given one
> reason for invading his country (WMD and the imminent threat
> to the US) and now it's a completely different reason
> (spreading freedom). After we're finished "spreading
> freedom" in Iraq, which of the 138 other dictotatorships
> around the world are we going to overthrow next to we can
> continue to "spread freedom"?
>
> Please keep this in mind before you answer: if your reply
> is a bunch of typical
> right-wing "whacko/bias/liberal" junk, save it and don't
> bother. If you want to have a grown-up adult dialogue about
> this, answer the questions I've asked above in a mature
> manner.
>
> Otherwise, you're just confirming what many in America think
> about the far right: you'll attack/attack/attack, divert
> attention, say we're against our troops, etc., but never,
> ever get around to answering these legitimate questions.
>
> Your turn.
>
> > well lets see, there are posts bashing Bush about
> everything
> > under the sun. There are posts wanting Carlsons and
> Wilburs
> > free speech restricted, but want smut on the air
> > unrestricted. And through all of this, the bias the right
> > has been droning on about becomes just that much more
> > apparent.
>
Well I'm neither a right wing wacko nor Bush apologist, my original posts intent was a complaint about the abundance of politcal posts and political twists of late. There are plenty of places on the net to have these discussions without hijacking or co-opting a board inteneded for something else entirely.

That being said, Hussein was not just a dictator nor creep, yes he was these things, but between him and his sons, they were brutal, murderous and dangerous men as well. I would argue that Hussein himself was a WMD based on his body count alone (how many mass graves so far uncovered?). Was the argument about WMD's a lie? Bad intelligence? We will probably never know and in all honesty it could be either, any attempt at armchair presidents to guess this amounts to nothing more than opinion and propaganda and each side is polarized in there beliefs. What we do know is that he had them, plenty of them, didnt account for them and then had plenty of time to ship them out, bury them, or do whatever he did with them.

As i stated in the original post, most of America, like myself is pretty middle of the road and do not care for the whacko's at either extreme. But those on the far left often take the middle's disagreement with the far right as automatic support of the far left and thats not the case either. The far right has its issues but so does the left and when discussed in more moderate cirlces the word usually used is hypocrits. the right may twist facts and figures to suit there need, but they are not the only ones. Again as in the first post, the FCC appoints a person to the decency board that isnt a hard core liberal and the screaching starts that all these shows have to tone down, free speach is being derailed etc, but someone on the right (and as far to the right as wilbur and carlson are, they are tame compared to what could be there in their place) trying to save some gas taxes should be restricted in those same persons opinions? cant have it both ways.

Same with Air America, rush gets caught with his hand in the cookie jar (arguably no worse than larry smokin pot) and there were hundreds of posts wanting his head on a platter, despite the fact that there were no victims in his crime. Air America swindles a boys and girls club out of nearly a million dollars (which enough of an investigation has gone on that the city of NY has demanded they place the money in a trust fund until the investigation is complete which they refuse to do) and the only mention of Air America is praise for them? That's hypocrisy and it does not go unnoticed by middle America. By the same token, take Rove for example. Worst kept secret in DC, everyone knew she was with the cia, no big surprise. However the statement was made that whoever responsible would be fired. Well that's hypocrisy too, and again not unnoticed by middle America.

Where it gets ugly (at both ends of the spectrum) is when opinion becomes so strong its regarded as fact. Again both are guilty, Iraq has problems, there are some great things happening there as well. in all honesty, if we re-fought the revolutionary war right now with modern news/propoganda/activists and peaceniks we would hear the same stuff. By the same token, we cant go around nation building in every country that needs it. To be honest regardless of the reason for going over there, most of middle America approved of getting rid of Hussein, but like everything else in life have a microwave mentality about it. They want it done in 2 minutes or less. Thats not reality, but we need to either go in and crush them and get it over or not bother in the first place as then we get bogged down in a door to door war where we lose our technological advantage.


This was all to hopefully answer your request. Really as previously stated was that this is a radio board, and although there is some overlap when it comes to the political side of radio, I think anything beyond that should be left elsewhere. Like I said, most of America is somewhere near the middle. But there seems to be an abundance of people on the hard left posting politcally here and there are plenty of other places to do that and it takes away from the intent of what this place was. There are a lot of people (many that I know and it was one of those people that motivated me towards writing this) that use to frequent this board, but got tired of the hard core political opinion and they felt it was overshadowing radio.

 

[wwehmeyer]

Dope dope dope... I love dope.

 

[OldiesCat]

whacko response

Cuople of points:

*** in your original post you say many centrists see disapproval of Bush as an agreement with the far left. Yet, you put "left wing wacko dopers" in the subject line- that's just as bad.

*** yes, yes, yes- all the bad bad Saddam stuff. So are all the other dictors around the world, including North Korea. HOWEVER, trying to schlep Saddam himself off as the WMD is a joke and so is the head-in-the-sand thought process that says "he got rid of them". Colin Powell went in front of the U.N.
and Bush in front of this nation and said they had definitive evidence he had WMD and was getting ready to use them on the U.S., which only a right wing lemming would believe. What's even worse is that in most of his speeches, Bush tries to tie September 11 and Iraq together in a nice little package for all his minnions- one had nothing to do with the other.

At first, there was a lot of "well, W. just wants to finish the job his Dad did not finish" and I didn't buy it at the time, but I'm not sure there's nothing to that premise. Plus, when you look at the business the Bush family has been in for years (oil), being at war is a very profitable proposition for all their family's members and associates. All I know is our brave soldiers are dying left and right, and for nothing. It is a big scam.


> Well I'm neither a right wing wacko nor Bush apologist, my
> original posts intent was a complaint about the abundance of
> politcal posts and political twists of late. There are
> plenty of places on the net to have these discussions
> without hijacking or co-opting a board inteneded for
> something else entirely.
>
> That being said, Hussein was not just a dictator nor creep,
> yes he was these things, but between him and his sons, they
> were brutal, murderous and dangerous men as well. I would
> argue that Hussein himself was a WMD based on his body count
> alone (how many mass graves so far uncovered?). Was the
> argument about WMD's a lie? Bad intelligence? We will
> probably never know and in all honesty it could be either,
> any attempt at armchair presidents to guess this amounts to
> nothing more than opinion and propaganda and each side is
> polarized in there beliefs. What we do know is that he had
> them, plenty of them, didnt account for them and then had
> plenty of time to ship them out, bury them, or do whatever
> he did with them.
>
> As i stated in the original post, most of America, like
> myself is pretty middle of the road and do not care for the
> whacko's at either extreme. But those on the far left often
> take the middle's disagreement with the far right as
> automatic support of the far left and thats not the case
> either. The far right has its issues but so does the left
> and when discussed in more moderate cirlces the word usually
> used is hypocrits. the right may twist facts and figures to
> suit there need, but they are not the only ones. Again as in
> the first post, the FCC appoints a person to the decency
> board that isnt a hard core liberal and the screaching
> starts that all these shows have to tone down, free speach
> is being derailed etc, but someone on the right (and as far
> to the right as wilbur and carlson are, they are tame
> compared to what could be there in their place) trying to
> save some gas taxes should be restricted in those same
> persons opinions? cant have it both ways.
>
> Same with Air America, rush gets caught with his hand in the
> cookie jar (arguably no worse than larry smokin pot) and
> there were hundreds of posts wanting his head on a platter,
> despite the fact that there were no victims in his crime.
> Air America swindles a boys and girls club out of nearly a
> million dollars (which enough of an investigation has gone
> on that the city of NY has demanded they place the money in
> a trust fund until the investigation is complete which they
> refuse to do) and the only mention of Air America is praise
> for them? That's hypocrisy and it does not go unnoticed by
> middle America. By the same token, take Rove for example.
> Worst kept secret in DC, everyone knew she was with the cia,
> no big surprise. However the statement was made that whoever
> responsible would be fired. Well that's hypocrisy too, and
> again not unnoticed by middle America.
>
> Where it gets ugly (at both ends of the spectrum) is when
> opinion becomes so strong its regarded as fact. Again both
> are guilty, Iraq has problems, there are some great things
> happening there as well. in all honesty, if we re-fought the
> revolutionary war right now with modern
> news/propoganda/activists and peaceniks we would hear the
> same stuff. By the same token, we cant go around nation
> building in every country that needs it. To be honest
> regardless of the reason for going over there, most of
> middle America approved of getting rid of Hussein, but like
> everything else in life have a microwave mentality about it.
> They want it done in 2 minutes or less. Thats not reality,
> but we need to either go in and crush them and get it over
> or not bother in the first place as then we get bogged down
> in a door to door war where we lose our technological
> advantage.
>
>
> This was all to hopefully answer your request. Really as
> previously stated was that this is a radio board, and
> although there is some overlap when it comes to the
> political side of radio, I think anything beyond that should
> be left elsewhere. Like I said, most of America is somewhere
> near the middle. But there seems to be an abundance of
> people on the hard left posting politcally here and there
> are plenty of other places to do that and it takes away from
> the intent of what this place was. There are a lot of people
> (many that I know and it was one of those people that
> motivated me towards writing this) that use to frequent this
> board, but got tired of the hard core political opinion and
> they felt it was overshadowing radio.
>

 

[Dougee]

A Bit Hypocritical.....

>"Blue, if you look at my post count, I rarely post, in effect I am ignoring >most posts that get too political. But lately it has been over the top.

>A discussion about the FCC and there take on decency is legitimate until its >an attack on those of the faith and morals crowd (where is this tolerance of >their ideas you speak of, the comments from you and others towards that group >is anything but tolerant). "


The reason it gets into faith and morals is because the woman they hired is quoted saying that we need to get the bible back into public policy for christ's sake (excuse the pun).

The FCC hires a bible thumper to regulate what we see and hear = That my friend is radio related and from her quote, comes the discussion you so vehemently oppose.

Don't like it? don't read it.

 

[LITTLEBOYBLUE]

Re: Tolerance, etc.

Hey, O.D. ....

I hear ya and definitely appreciate all the points you raise. A few thoughts that come to mind from this thread:

1. I think some discussion about censorship/content control, etc. as it relates to Seattle radio is an interesting topic -- and hope some folks chime in on it.

2. I'm not impressed with a lot of the stuff I hear (I'm neither a Stern nor a Rush fan -- not because of their points of view, but because they both spend so much time on self promotion). But the last thing that would cross my mind is to legislate it off the air (unless, of course, it is downright dangerous -- the "yelling fire in the theater" kind of thing). Most of the talk shows I can't stand -- not because of their point of view, but because they are so dang SHALLOW! Rush, when not in self-promotion mode, at least shakes up the bushes a little bit; although on the spectrum I have much much more in common with Dave Ross -- yet I'll applaud Rush for all he's done to revitalize AM radio.

3. I don't mind if right-wint OR left-wing folks are advising the FCC -- AS LONG as it's a panel and it's balanced. If we have a hard-core Christian who believes in no "xxxx" words, then put a hard-core Stern listener on the committee too. In other words, such a committee should reflect the community that is being researched.

4. I wasn't a fan of the day FCC decided to relax so many of the rules about public affairs/news commitments because I think that's about the point that radio stopped making an effort to be "smart". Now, there's no legal effort to balance both sides ... so it's fair game for someone to take a side and program around it 100% and I think that's too bad as people of any persuasion can only benefit from being exposed to an opposing point of view that's presented fairly.

5. Finally ... I have NO issues with anything religious. I just think it's supposed to be a private issue; and we've got countries at war and initiatives up the kazoo all because one side insists on jamming their point of view down the other side's throat without a whole lot of effort to take a "live and let live" kind of approach. How can a broadcater help foster better understanding between people whose faith is so hard core they refuse to accept the other side as simply an "opposing point of view". It's just that lately we're being told that our country has to follow some path of moral perfection and if we could only roll that down a notch to a path of "interpersonal dignity and respect" I could easily accept it as it's pretty much a universally positive theme.


In any case ... thank you for taking time to enlighten me with your thoughts. I truly appreciate hearing them.

 

[MelC]

Re: whacko dopers

>
> Same with Air America, rush gets caught with his hand in the
> cookie jar (arguably no worse than larry smokin pot)

Except, to my knowledge, Larry has never held himself up as a paragon of virtue, nor has he (again to my knowledge) publicly stated that all drug users should be jailed.

and
> there were hundreds of posts wanting his head on a platter,
> despite the fact that there were no victims in his crime.

Except his poor housekeeper.


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[TheOriginalLarry]

Re: whacko dopers

> >
> > Same with Air America, rush gets caught with his hand in
> the
> > cookie jar (arguably no worse than larry smokin pot)
>
> Except, to my knowledge, Larry has never held himself up as
> a paragon of virtue, nor has he (again to my knowledge)
> publicly stated that all drug users should be jailed.

Thanks Mel.

My personal belief is we as Americans have total rights over our own bodies and the government has no right to tell us what we can or cannot do responsibly and peacefully in our own homes. In short, the Drug War has abysmally failed. Prohibition taught us you cannot legislate what people can and cannot do with their bodies, the people will always rebel.

Including Rush Limbaugh. If he wants to get the body high of Oxys or Vicodins, he should have that right. The trouble here was Rush was calling for draconian treatment of pot smokers while he was gulping Oxys.

America does not like hypocrites, especially those who try to pass themselves off as clean wholesome role models as Limbaugh has championed himself for the conservative cause.

Me? What you see is what you get. Fresh from the street, raw and unfiltered. I am no saint, nor do I need to pretend I am. Nobody can use my pot smoking as a weapon against me for too long and it's hilarious when the smear happy right wing types types try that. it just shows how desperate they are



>
> and
> > there were hundreds of posts wanting his head on a
> platter,
> > despite the fact that there were no victims in his crime.
>
> Except his poor housekeeper.
>
>
> Jesus has two daddies!
>
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