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Tom Kaminsky and Lincoln/Holland/GWB backup reference points

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ixnay

The mods can move this thread where they want. Since Mr. Kaminsky reports traffic on a Gotham radio station I thought it was relevant to the NY board. Anyway...

Some time ago on R-I I asked how 880's Tom Kaminsky got his data as to length of delays accessing each of New Jersey's three gateways to Manhattan.

Lately I've been wondering... for example, if there's a 45-minute backup getting to the GWB from the local lanes of 80/95, what landmark(s) does that backup back up to? I'm trying to visualize... ??? ;D Y'see, I'm a map reader, sometimes just-for-fun.

I mean, how far back along...

GWB: express and local lanes of 80/95, PIP, Rt. 46, Rt. 4
Lincoln Tunnel: well, there's basically only one approach (Rt. 495)
Holland Tunnel: 1&9 and NJTP Newark Bay extension
Feel free to do this from the Manhattan approaches too.

... do these delays translate to? I mean, Tom only gives minutes, not miles or reference points.

???

ixnay
 
ixnay said:
The mods can move this thread where they want. Since Mr. Kaminsky reports traffic on a Gotham radio station I thought it was relevant to the NY board. Anyway...

Some time ago on R-I I asked how 880's Tom Kaminsky got his data as to length of delays accessing each of New Jersey's three gateways to Manhattan.

Lately I've been wondering... for example, if there's a 45-minute backup getting to the GWB from the local lanes of 80/95, what landmark(s) does that backup back up to? I'm trying to visualize... ??? ;D Y'see, I'm a map reader, sometimes just-for-fun.

I mean, how far back along...

GWB: express and local lanes of 80/95, PIP, Rt. 46, Rt. 4
Lincoln Tunnel: well, there's basically only one approach (Rt. 495)
Holland Tunnel: 1&9 and NJTP Newark Bay extension
Feel free to do this from the Manhattan approaches too.

... do these delays translate to? I mean, Tom only gives minutes, not miles or reference points.

???

ixnay
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I think the methods are proprietary. But possibly the measurements are based on the time period when there were road units traversing each Hudson crossing.

But as a map reader, why not try each crossing yourself, and flesh it out, so to speak?
 
I believe EZPass transponders are also used to calculate travel times between two points at some locations. If not, perhaps they should be?
 
kms575 said:
I believe EZPass transponders are also used to calculate travel times between two points at some locations. If not, perhaps they should be?
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The state has no qualms about ticketing you based on that information, so why not.
 
raydofan said:
The state has no qualms about ticketing you based on that information, so why not.
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Are you sure about that? Unless I'm mistaken it's the driver who is ticketed, not the car. If the State can't prove who is piloting the vehicle, they can't issue a summons (at least not yet). How would they know if it's you, your wife, your sibling or your really smart parrot who's driving?

EZPass records have been subpoenaed from the State in some non-criminal court cases, but I've never heard of it being used to levy a traffic fine.
 
Sherpat said:
raydofan said:
The state has no qualms about ticketing you based on that information, so why not.
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Are you sure about that? Unless I'm mistaken it's the driver who is ticketed, not the car. If the State can't prove who is piloting the vehicle, they can't issue a summons (at least not yet). How would they know if it's you, your wife, your sibling or your really smart parrot who's driving?

EZPass records have been subpoenaed from the State in some non-criminal court cases, but I've never heard of it being used to levy a traffic fine.
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OK-actually, there has been conjecture in that direction, but after a little search, though, that is erroneous information. No EZ-pass point a to b tickets at this time. But the potential is there.

However, you can be issued a summons via traffic cams. You're ID'd through the car's registration. If there were any serious contest to that practice, the cameras wouldn't be there.
 
raydofan said:
But as a map reader, why not try each crossing yourself, and flesh it out, so to speak?
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Because

1) I live in a rural area 100+ miles as the crow flies from midtown
2) I commute 28 miles to work across farm country (though I don't work on a farm)
3) I listen (in both drives) to WCBS (I can't get WINS), KYW, and during Dec. and Jan., WBBM and WBZ during PM drive, all for entertainment (and forming mental maps [something I learned in geog. classes in college]), and all depending on wave bounce due to topography (at twilight at this time of year I get interference on WCBS from WRFD Columbus, OH [is WRFD a daytimer?], again depending on topography).

Why do you think I asked you guys and gals? 8)

ixnay
 
I wondered about the same thing with other crossings. When they say that there are 20 minutes delays on the outbound Lincoln Tunnel one would assume that they are talking about from some point to the mouth of the tunnel, but where???
 
Bobby:
While I think I know the answer to the question, I'm not 100% sure...and, I don't want to pass along inaccurate information. Let me check with Tom or other members of our traffic team to see if I can get an answer for you.

Steve Scott
 
Certain points before the toll tell you. We know how long it takes when traffic backs up to these points and simple look on a monitor or report from the field will give you an idea of where the traffic ends and hence how much time that translates to.
 
That's fine, but my point is that without knowing these points, the info is useless. If they say the Lincoln Tunnel is a 20 minute wait, it makes a heck of a difference if that 20 minutes is from 31 street or from 35 street.
 
Bobby Cann said:
That's fine, but my point is that without knowing these points, the info is useless. If they say the Lincoln Tunnel is a 20 minute wait, it makes a heck of a difference if that 20 minutes is from 31 street or from 35 street.
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Isn't 20 minutes still 20 minutes no matter where you start from?
 
cawasinnj said:
Bobby Cann said:
That's fine, but my point is that without knowing these points, the info is useless. If they say the Lincoln Tunnel is a 20 minute wait, it makes a heck of a difference if that 20 minutes is from 31 street or from 35 street.
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Isn't 20 minutes still 20 minutes no matter where you start from?
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Yes, 20 minutes is 20 minutes but it is much worse if it's a 20 minute wait to go 2 blocks or a 20 minute wait to go 8 blocks!
 
Bobby Cann said:
Yes, 20 minutes is 20 minutes but it is much worse if it's a 20 minute wait to go 2 blocks or a 20 minute wait to go 8 blocks!
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Psychologically, yes. Saying the information is useless without that reference is way overstating things.
 
Oh really...that's good to know! I'll have to remember that next time!!!
 
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