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Top-10 Markets that don't have Owned and Operated

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Top 10 Markets that don't have the big four O & O stations.

5. San Francisco - FOX
6. Dallas/Fortworth - ABC
7. Boston - ABC, NBC
8. Washington - ABC, CBS
9. Atlanta - NBC, CBS, ABC
10. Houston - NBC, CBS
 
What exactly is left to say?

DFW's KXAS (NBC), according to Wikipedia, is quarter-owned by LIN as well.
 
Morgan Wick said:
What exactly is left to say?

DFW's KXAS (NBC), according to Wikipedia, is quarter-owned by LIN as well.
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Obviously not much! As far as the CW goes, do Tribune stations still count as O&Os? Or does that title belong to stations like WPSG? Toss in (NOT)MyNetworkTv and Fox doesn't own the My stations in Philadelphia, San Francisco, Boston, and Atlanta.
 
For most of network TV history, San Francisco had only one owned and operated station - ABC owned KGO-TV. The CBS affiliate became an O&O in a roundabout way - Westinghouse had owned KPIX-TV for many years, then Westinghouse bought CBS - maybe 12 years ago now. When CBS was purchased by Viacom, KPIX remained an O&O. KRON, the former NBC affiliate was owned by the Chronicle Publishing Company until 2001, when the corporation sold off all its assets, including KRON. NBC tried to buy KRON, but failed - then moved the network affiliation to KNTV in San Jose, which they subsequently purchased, and now run as an O&O.
 
Lkeller said:
For most of network TV history, San Francisco had only one owned and operated station - ABC owned KGO-TV.
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There is actually a reason as for that. From the 1950s until 1986 the FCC could only own seven stations, and two of those had to be UHF, so the big three only owned the five VHF stations. All three networks could own the stations in the three biggest markets-NY, LA, Chicago-but the other two had to be in a city where the others did not have an O&O. So NBC had Washington and Cleveland, CBS had Philadelphia and St. Louis, and ABC got Detroit and San Francisco.

In 1986 the FCC expanded the limit to twelve stations, and of course the Telecom Act of 1996 allowed for the current 39% cap.
 
genius said:
Morgan Wick said:
What exactly is left to say?

DFW's KXAS (NBC), according to Wikipedia, is quarter-owned by LIN as well.
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Obviously not much! As far as the CW goes, do Tribune stations still count as O&Os? Or does that title belong to stations like WPSG? Toss in (NOT)MyNetworkTv and Fox doesn't own the My stations in Philadelphia, San Francisco, Boston, and Atlanta.
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Tribune does not own any part of the CW. Thus Philadelphia, San Fran, Atlanta = the ONLY markets in the top 10 with CW O&Os.
 
Thanks for clearing that up-I knew Tribune had a stake in the old WB, yet does not have on with the CW, which makes means the CW O&Os are KBCW, KMAX, KSTW, WGNT, WKBD, WLWC, WPCW, WPSG, WTOG WTVX, and WUPA, although both WLWC and WTVX have both been sold.
 
Hi everyone:

If you expand that to the Top 20, you can add...

Denver (NBC, ABC, MyNetwork, CW)

Denver had an NBC O&O until September 10, 1995 when the Big Switch happened, after which they lost out to CBS.

Just my $.02 worth :D

Cheers :D
 
Pat Cook said:
Hi everyone:

If you expand that to the Top 20, you can add...

Denver (NBC, ABC, MyNetwork, CW)

Denver had an NBC O&O until September 10, 1995 when the Big Switch happened, after which they lost out to CBS.

Just my $.02 worth :D

Cheers :D
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Err Pat Denver doesn't have either an ABC O&O nor a MyNetwork O&O. As far as I know Mc-Graw Hill still owns KMGH, and even when ABC was on KUSA, they were owned by Gannett. KTVD is owned by Gannett as well.

Denver does have CBS and Fox O&Os though, as of course KCNC use to be an NBC O&O prior to the 1995 Westinghouse related switch(I worked there back in the good old days :)) Though these days NBC Universal does own KDEN, the Telemundo station.
 
If you're going into the Top 20 markets, don't forget Seattle/Tacoma -- the only O&O in that market is KSTW, "CW-11", which is owned by CBS Corp, the half owner of the CW. CBS (KIRO) is Cox, NBC (KING) is Belo, ABC (KOMO) is Fisher, and Fox and MNTV (KCPQ and KMYQ) is Tribune.
 
Expand to top 30 and you get an NBC O&O here: WVIT-TV/DT channel 30/D 35 of New Britain/Hartford.
 
Hi everyone:
genius said:
Pat Cook said:
Hi everyone:

If you expand that to the Top 20, you can add...

Denver (NBC, ABC, MyNetwork, CW)

Denver had an NBC O&O until September 10, 1995 when the Big Switch happened, after which they lost out to CBS.

Just my $.02 worth :D

Cheers :D
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Err Pat Denver doesn't have either an ABC O&O nor a MyNetwork O&O. As far as I know Mc-Graw Hill still owns KMGH, and even when ABC was on KUSA, they were owned by Gannett. KTVD is owned by Gannett as well.
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Yeah, but I think the keyword in the title is don't. Hence the reply above. :D

Cheers :D
 
TexasTom said:
If you're going into the Top 20 markets, don't forget Seattle/Tacoma -- the only O&O in that market is KSTW, "CW-11", which is owned by CBS Corp, the half owner of the CW. CBS (KIRO) is Cox, NBC (KING) is Belo, ABC (KOMO) is Fisher, and Fox and MNTV (KCPQ and KMYQ) is Tribune.
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Also Phoenix, where Fox is the only O&O here, with KSAZ/10 (Fox) and KUTP/45 (My). CBS (KPHO/5) is owned by Meredith, NBC (KPNX/12) is Gannett, ABC (KNXV/15) is Scripps, and CW (KASW/61) is Belo.
 
genius said:
Lkeller said:
For most of network TV history, San Francisco had only one owned and operated station - ABC owned KGO-TV.
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There is actually a reason as for that. From the 1950s until 1986 the FCC [only allowed ownership of] seven stations, and two of those had to be UHF, so the big three only owned the five VHF stations.
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...both NBC (WBUF/17 Buffalo) and CBS (WXIX/19 Milwaukee) owned UHFs in the 1950s; I think NBC also owned a New England UHF around this time as well...
 
Pat Cook said:
Yeah, but I think the keyword in the title is don't. Hence the reply above. :D
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Whoa, sorry Pat! I forget about what we're talking about! See what happens when you get old! ;D
 
KeithE4 said:
Also Phoenix, where Fox is the only O&O here,
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That's just English-language secular. The ION (KPPX/51), TBN (KPAZ/21), Univision (KTVW/33), and Telemundo (KTAZ/39) stations are also O&O, as is Class A KFPH/35 (Telefutura). At least some of these stations probably get similar numbers as KASW does.
 
Ultimajock said:
genius said:
Lkeller said:
For most of network TV history, San Francisco had only one owned and operated station - ABC owned KGO-TV.
Click to expand...

There is actually a reason as for that. From the 1950s until 1986 the FCC [only allowed ownership of] seven stations, and two of those had to be UHF, so the big three only owned the five VHF stations.
Click to expand...

...both NBC (WBUF/17 Buffalo) and CBS (WXIX/19 Milwaukee) owned UHFs in the 1950s; I think NBC also owned a New England UHF around this time as well...
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Hartford being then-WHCT-TV channel 18, since they signed on before then-WTIC-TV channel 3 did (today they're WFSB-TV/DT while the WTIC-TV/DT call letters now belong to FOX channel 61/D 31 of Hartford).

As for WXIX channel 19, are you sure you don't mean the Newport, KY-licensed FOX affiliate serving the Cincinnati market?
 
Kevin Lagasse said:
As for WXIX channel 19, are you sure you don't mean the Newport, KY-licensed FOX affiliate serving the Cincinnati market?
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The original WXIX-TV Channel 19 was in Milwaukee. How CBS got the station is one of the most convoluted stories in TV history. The license had been WOKY-TV prior to being bought by CBS, but used the facilities of WCAN-TV 25, the previous CBS affiliate in Milwaukee, which had gone dark - after receiving the old WOKY-TV facilities. It's now WVTV Channel 18 (the Milwaukee UHF allocations had been dropped down one channel in 1958). CBS sold WXIX-TV in 1959, after it moved to 18.

Link: Milwaukee TV History

The WXIX-TV in Cincinnati had originally been a CP issued in 1954 for Channel 74 as WNOP-TV Newport KY. It didn't get on the air until it was sold and moved to 19 in the late '60s.
 
Yeah.


How about we ammend this to "A list of the biggest markets" without all O&O's."
Along with:
"The biggest market without any O&Os."

Also, are we including Fox and CW in this?
 
Here is the rest of the list from Market#11 to Market #30.
#11 Detroit - ABC, NBC
#12 Tampa St. Petersburg - ABC, CBS, NBC
#13 Phoenix - ABC, CBS, NBC
#14 - Seattle, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX
#15 - Minneapolis-St. Paul - ABC, NBC, FOX
#16 - Miami - Ft. Lauderdale - ABC, FOX
#17 - Cleveland - ABC, CBS, NBC
#18 - Denver - ABC, NBC
#19 - Orlando - ABC, CBS, NBC
#20 - Sacramento, ABC, NBC, FOX
#21 - St. Louis, ABC, CBS, NBC
#22 - Pittsburg ABC, NBC, FOX
#23 - Portland, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX
#24 - Baltimore - ABC, NBC, FOX
#25 - Indianapolis - ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX
#26 - Charlotte - ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX
#27 - San Diego - ABC, CBS, FOX
#28 - Hartford-New Haven - ABC, CBS, FOX
#29 - Raleigh-Durham - NBC, CBS, FOX
#30 - Nashville, ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX
 
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