Top 40 lacks art or creativity

[drpickle]

The major thing that plagues the top songs of today is total lack of creativity and talent. At least years ago a person that liked other forms of pop music whether it be metal, country, or rock could objectively say that the artist of other eras like Barbara Streisand, Cyndi Lauper or Neil Diamond were not to their liking but they were all talented at their craft. Today when you hear some jabronie sing "he's in love with a stripper" or some flusy scream "since you've been gone" the only conclusion to be reached is our standards have lowered and the crappier the better.

 

[CHRles]

> The major thing that plagues the top songs of today is total
> lack of creativity and talent. At least years ago a person
> that liked other forms of pop music whether it be metal,
> country, or rock could objectively say that the artist of
> other eras like Barbara Streisand, Cyndi Lauper or Neil
> Diamond were not to their liking but they were all talented
> at their craft. Today when you hear some jabronie sing
> "he's in love with a stripper" or some flusy scream "since
> you've been gone" the only conclusion to be reached is our
> standards have lowered and the crappier the better.
>

LOL so Neil Diamond is better then Kelly Clarkson? Hahahaha, that's a good one. Thanks I needed a good laugh.

James Blunt whose got the number 2 song in the country is more to my liking then Barbara Streisand, and Pink is today's version of Cyndi Lauper.

As for your comments on T-Pain, how is that any different from some of the old KC & The Sunshine songs of years past?

Go back to listening to your outdated Metal, your corny honky tonk Country, and your sappy 70s Middle of the Road.

Next!<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by CHRles on 02/28/06 08:00 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[vaboi83]

Buddy times have changed and those are not crappy songs...espcially the Kelly. If you want to listen to Neil, Cyndi, Barbara then check out your local Jack station, or AC station....DO not crtize the music of this time cause you do not like it. KellY Clarkson is a awesome singer. T-Pain is talking about terms of today where stripping is okay for a PT job.

Now there is some crap like "laffy Taffy" but not all is and I am so SURE that there was crappy songs back in the day 2...i know my mom has played some and and has said that is crappy music....but did they like it...yes !

> > The major thing that plagues the top songs of today is
> total
> > lack of creativity and talent. At least years ago a
> person
> > that liked other forms of pop music whether it be metal,
> > country, or rock could objectively say that the artist of
> > other eras like Barbara Streisand, Cyndi Lauper or Neil
> > Diamond were not to their liking but they were all
> talented
> > at their craft. Today when you hear some jabronie sing
> > "he's in love with a stripper" or some flusy scream "since
>
> > you've been gone" the only conclusion to be reached is our
>
> > standards have lowered and the crappier the better.
> >
>
> LOL so Neil Diamond is better then Kelly Clarkson? Hahahaha,
> that's a good one. Thanks I needed a good laugh.
>
> James Blunt whose got the number 2 song in the country is
> more to my liking then Barbara Streisand, and Pink is
> today's version of Cyndi Lauper.
>
> As for your comments on T-Pain, how is that any different
> from some of the old KC & The Sunshine songs of years past?
>
>
> Go back to listening to your outdated Metal, your corny
> honky tonk Country, and your sappy 70s Middle of the Road.
>
> Next!
>

 

[drpickle]

> > The major thing that plagues the top songs of today is
> total
> > lack of creativity and talent. At least years ago a
> person
> > that liked other forms of pop music whether it be metal,
> > country, or rock could objectively say that the artist of
> > other eras like Barbara Streisand, Cyndi Lauper or Neil
> > Diamond were not to their liking but they were all
> talented
> > at their craft. Today when you hear some jabronie sing
> > "he's in love with a stripper" or some flusy scream "since
>
> > you've been gone" the only conclusion to be reached is our
>
> > standards have lowered and the crappier the better.
> >
>
> LOL so Neil Diamond is better then Kelly Clarkson? Hahahaha,
> that's a good one. Thanks I needed a good laugh.




James Blunt whose got the number 2 song in the country is
> more to my liking then Barbara Streisand, and Pink is
> today's version of Cyndi Lauper.
>
> As for your comments on T-Pain, how is that any different
> from some of the old KC & The Sunshine songs of years past?
>
>
> Go back to listening to your outdated Metal, your corny
> honky tonk Country, and your sappy 70s Middle of the Road.
>
> Next!
>


You are out of your mind! Neil Diamond was great rocker and made a fine transition to a more middle of the road adult sound in later years. Neil Diamond worked hard and knows how to not only play an instrument properly but also how to write lyrics.


What kind of name is T-Pain? The problem with a song like Im In Love With A Stripper is the inherent lack of subltety. Those are always the best and most effective songs.

 

[drpickle]

> Buddy times have changed and those are not crappy
> songs...espcially the Kelly. If you want to listen to Neil,
> Cyndi, Barbara then check out your local Jack station, or AC
> station....DO not crtize the music of this time cause you do
> not like it. KellY Clarkson is a awesome singer. T-Pain is
> talking about terms of today where stripping is okay for a
> PT job.
>
> Now there is some crap like "laffy Taffy" but not all is and
> I am so SURE that there was crappy songs back in the day
> 2...i know my mom has played some and and has said that is
> crappy music....but did they like it...yes !
>
> > > The major thing that plagues the top songs of today is
> > total
> > > lack of creativity and talent. At least years ago a
> > person
> > > that liked other forms of pop music whether it be metal,
>
> > > country, or rock could objectively say that the artist
> of
> > > other eras like Barbara Streisand, Cyndi Lauper or Neil
> > > Diamond were not to their liking but they were all
> > talented
> > > at their craft. Today when you hear some jabronie sing
> > > "he's in love with a stripper" or some flusy scream
> "since
> >
> > > you've been gone" the only conclusion to be reached is
> our
> >
> > > standards have lowered and the crappier the better.
> > >
> >
> > LOL so Neil Diamond is better then Kelly Clarkson?
> Hahahaha,
> > that's a good one. Thanks I needed a good laugh.
> >
> > James Blunt whose got the number 2 song in the country is
> > more to my liking then Barbara Streisand, and Pink is
> > today's version of Cyndi Lauper.
> >
> > As for your comments on T-Pain, how is that any different
> > from some of the old KC & The Sunshine songs of years
> past?
> >
> >
> > Go back to listening to your outdated Metal, your corny
> > honky tonk Country, and your sappy 70s Middle of the Road.
>
> >
> > Next!
> >
>

I did not get the memo that states stripping is an acceptable PT job. Where did you see that? I am put off by the likes of you who justify behaviors by the decade we live. Things are the way they are for the reason. Who said we can change the rules?


The music of today is clearly the worst ever!

 

[vaboi83]

THEN DO NOT LISTEN !!!!!!!

GO CHECK OUT JACK-FM, or your OLDIES !

> > Buddy times have changed and those are not crappy
> > songs...espcially the Kelly. If you want to listen to
> Neil,
> > Cyndi, Barbara then check out your local Jack station, or
> AC
> > station....DO not crtize the music of this time cause you
> do
> > not like it. KellY Clarkson is a awesome singer. T-Pain
> is
> > talking about terms of today where stripping is okay for a
>
> > PT job.
> >
> > Now there is some crap like "laffy Taffy" but not all is
> and
> > I am so SURE that there was crappy songs back in the day
> > 2...i know my mom has played some and and has said that is
>
> > crappy music....but did they like it...yes !
> >
> > > > The major thing that plagues the top songs of today is
>
> > > total
> > > > lack of creativity and talent. At least years ago a
> > > person
> > > > that liked other forms of pop music whether it be
> metal,
> >
> > > > country, or rock could objectively say that the artist
>
> > of
> > > > other eras like Barbara Streisand, Cyndi Lauper or
> Neil
> > > > Diamond were not to their liking but they were all
> > > talented
> > > > at their craft. Today when you hear some jabronie
> sing
> > > > "he's in love with a stripper" or some flusy scream
> > "since
> > >
> > > > you've been gone" the only conclusion to be reached is
>
> > our
> > >
> > > > standards have lowered and the crappier the better.
> > > >
> > >
> > > LOL so Neil Diamond is better then Kelly Clarkson?
> > Hahahaha,
> > > that's a good one. Thanks I needed a good laugh.
> > >
> > > James Blunt whose got the number 2 song in the country
> is
> > > more to my liking then Barbara Streisand, and Pink is
> > > today's version of Cyndi Lauper.
> > >
> > > As for your comments on T-Pain, how is that any
> different
> > > from some of the old KC & The Sunshine songs of years
> > past?
> > >
> > >
> > > Go back to listening to your outdated Metal, your corny
> > > honky tonk Country, and your sappy 70s Middle of the
> Road.
> >
> > >
> > > Next!
> > >
> >
>
> I did not get the memo that states stripping is an
> acceptable PT job. Where did you see that? I am put off
> by the likes of you who justify behaviors by the decade we
> live. Things are the way they are for the reason. Who said
> we can change the rules?
>
>
> The music of today is clearly the worst ever!
>

 

[sluggmunki]

> The major thing that plagues the top songs of today is total
> lack of creativity and talent. At least years ago a person
> that liked other forms of pop music whether it be metal,
> country, or rock could objectively say that the artist of
> other eras like Barbara Streisand, Cyndi Lauper or Neil
> Diamond were not to their liking but they were all talented
> at their craft. Today when you hear some jabronie sing
> "he's in love with a stripper" or some flusy scream "since
> you've been gone" the only conclusion to be reached is our
> standards have lowered and the crappier the better.
>

Who said that you should like the music today? Those three singers you mentioned are old and back in the day. Listen to AC stations for these. You won't find them on CHR. Time has changed these past twenty years.<P ID="signature">______________
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[CHRles]

> Buddy times have changed and those are not crappy
> songs...espcially the Kelly. If you want to listen to Neil,
> Cyndi, Barbara then check out your local Jack station, or AC
> station....DO not crtize the music of this time cause you do
> not like it. KellY Clarkson is a awesome singer. T-Pain is
> talking about terms of today where stripping is okay for a
> PT job.
>
> Now there is some crap like "laffy Taffy" but not all is and
> I am so SURE that there was crappy songs back in the day
> 2...i know my mom has played some and and has said that is
> crappy music....but did they like it...yes !
>
Couldn't have said it any better
As if The Archies "Sugar Sugar" was such a deep and thought-provoking song. It was just guilty pleasure Pop schmaltz, just like today there are some guilty pleasure Pop hits that are hot on the charts.

 

[CHRles]

> The music of today is clearly the worst ever!
>
Blah blah blah. In the 60s at one point an ultra dumb song called like "Dominique" by the Singing Nun was able to make number one. And yet supposedly today's music is the worst ever?!! Get a clue.

 

[JeremyAndrews]

> The major thing that plagues the top songs of today is total
> lack of creativity and talent. At least years ago a person
> that liked other forms of pop music whether it be metal,
> country, or rock could objectively say that the artist of
> other eras like Barbara Streisand, Cyndi Lauper or Neil
> Diamond were not to their liking but they were all talented
> at their craft. Today when you hear some jabronie sing
> "he's in love with a stripper" or some flusy scream "since
> you've been gone" the only conclusion to be reached is our
> standards have lowered and the crappier the better.
>
I agree. Top-40 today lacks creativity and for the most part talent.

Last time I actually liked all of the songs I could hear on CHR was in 2001. There was more life in it all back then.

And to prove my statement, the ratings for CHR was better then. After 2001, it slowly went downhill. Sure there are some stations that get good ratings (usually in small markets that play a good amount of golds) but other then that its medeocre.

Examples:

WZEE Madison (still in the top of the ratings, but back in the late 90s-early 2000s they were always in the double digits. Now they are in the 7s)

WXSS Milwaukee (always in the 7s and 80s back in the late 90s-early 2000s. Now they are in the 4s and 5s. They pulled in their lowest book ever in winter 2003. Down in the 3s.)

WNDV South Bend (worse ratings I've ever seen)

WZOK Rockford (ditto)

KFMD Denver (went under)

Kiss FM Tyler (went under)

B98.5 Monmouth-Ocean (slowly started tweaking in the alternative direction. Finally flipped)

A couple of Canadian CHRs

Sweet 98 in Omaha





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[CHRles]

>
> Last time I actually liked all of the songs I could hear on
> CHR was in 2001. There was more life in it all back then.
>
there was WAYYYY too much Teen Pop on the charts between 1999 and 2001, yuck!

> And to prove my statement, the ratings for CHR was better
> then. After 2001, it slowly went downhill.
>

Not true for cities like New York, Los Angeles, Dallas, Boston, Washington, Houston, Hartford, St. Louis, Cleveland, Milwaukee, Columbus, and countless others.

 

[JeremyAndrews]

> >
> > Last time I actually liked all of the songs I could hear
> on
> > CHR was in 2001. There was more life in it all back then.
> >
> there was WAYYYY too much Teen Pop on the charts between
> 1999 and 2001, yuck!
>
> > And to prove my statement, the ratings for CHR was better
> > then. After 2001, it slowly went downhill.
> >
>
> Not true for cities like New York, Los Angeles, Dallas,
> Boston, Washington, Houston, Hartford, St. Louis, Cleveland,
> Milwaukee, Columbus, and countless others.
>
re read the post. I added to it

and as for the teen pop, at least it was fun and gave CHR something exclusive to it. Now that its all hip hop and alternative rock CHR doesn't have its own identity. You can get the same stuff on other stations.

Look at what happened in the early-mid 90s. CHR died off all over. Then in 1997-1998 the teen pop came in and poof, CHR exploded into something big again.

Now here we go again 2002-2003 about the 10 year anniversary of when CHR started to go under in the 90s, we got nothing but hip hop and medeocre rock. All sounds the same. No pop to paste it together, just 2 extremes. Some stations like WXSS lean rhythmic (as several stations did 10 years ago) others like WIXX leaning rock. And of course Z-100's rock/alternative lean in the mid 90s.<P ID="signature">______________

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[spongebag7]

> > >
> > > Last time I actually liked all of the songs I could hear
>
> > on
> > > CHR was in 2001. There was more life in it all back
> then.
> > >
> > there was WAYYYY too much Teen Pop on the charts between
> > 1999 and 2001, yuck!
> >
> > > And to prove my statement, the ratings for CHR was
> better
> > > then. After 2001, it slowly went downhill.
> > >
> >
> > Not true for cities like New York, Los Angeles, Dallas,
> > Boston, Washington, Houston, Hartford, St. Louis,
> Cleveland,
> > Milwaukee, Columbus, and countless others.
> >
> re read the post. I added to it
>
> and as for the teen pop, at least it was fun and gave CHR
> something exclusive to it. Now that its all hip hop and
> alternative rock CHR doesn't have its own identity. You can
> get the same stuff on other stations.
>
> Look at what happened in the early-mid 90s. CHR died off all
> over. Then in 1997-1998 the teen pop came in and poof, CHR
> exploded into something big again.
>
> Now here we go again 2002-2003 about the 10 year anniversary
> of when CHR started to go under in the 90s, we got nothing
> but hip hop and medeocre rock. All sounds the same. No pop
> to paste it together, just 2 extremes. Some stations like
> WXSS lean rhythmic (as several stations did 10 years ago)
> others like WIXX leaning rock. And of course Z-100's
> rock/alternative lean in the mid 90s.
>

Spring/Summer 2003 was pretty good...but as the year went to fall it became a rhythmic part two.

 

[CHRles]

WRONG!

> Look at what happened in the early-mid 90s. CHR died off all
> over. Then in 1997-1998 the teen pop came in and poof, CHR
> exploded into something big again.
>
You didn't have CHR radio gagged to death by mediocre Teen Pop crap in 97. You had a bit of it in small doses by the likes of Hanson, BSB, and the Spice Girls. you also had pure Pop from the likes of Savage Garden, crossover Rap from will Smith, and crossover Dance from La Bouche.
I absolutely hated KIIS-FM Los Angeles in 99-2000 when literally every other song was Teen Pop. KIIS sounds much better now with the Rhythmic lean. Leave all that kiddie stuff to Radio Disney.

> Now here we go again 2002-2003 about the 10 year anniversary
> of when CHR started to go under in the 90s, we got nothing
> but hip hop and medeocre rock.

What a load of crap! There's plenty of pure Pop music out there. Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Gwen Stefani, Beyonce, All American Rejects, Natasha Bedingfield Three Doors Down, James Blunt, Nelly, Pussycat Dolls, Black Eyed Peas, Shakira, Rhianna, even Nickleback and Eminem is not extreme - it's pure Pop for the 2000s and above.

 

[westlife]

Re: Top 40 lacks art or creativity... or harmony

> there was WAYYYY too much Teen Pop on the charts between
> 1999 and 2001, yuck!

But for those of us who WERE teenagers during that era, that's what made it so magical to listen to!

One thing in particular that we've lost since that time is the art of vocal harmony. Just like how doo-wop in the '50s paved the way for groups like The Four Seasons in the '60s, the early '90s "doo-wop revival" groups like Boyz II Men and All-4-One paved the way for the teen-pop boy-bands (and girl-bands) to use vocal harmony to their best advantage in the late '90s and early '00s.

Just listen to something like "The Hardest Thing" by 98 Degrees or "I'll Never Break Your Heart" by BSB... regardless of what you think of the image and persona of these groups, the strength and richness of their harmonies is undeniable. Alas, the last gasp for this type of music in the USA was around 2002-2003, with a few European boy-bands (BBMak, Westlife, A1) unsuccessfully struggling to gain airplay despite how the major U.S. groups (BSB, NSYNC, 98 Degrees, O-Town) had all quickly disappeared and gone their separate ways.

And now? Well, BSB is back, but this time around the emphasis is more on strained Bryan Adams-like solo vocals and heavy rock guitars, than on any real harmony. A decade and a half ago, #1 hits from groups like Extreme and Mr. Big proved that rock music and rich vocal harmonies go together like coffee and cream... perhaps it's about time for us to rediscover that truth.

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[westlife]

Re: WRONG!

> What a load of crap! There's plenty of pure Pop music out
> there. Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Gwen Stefani, Beyonce, All
> American Rejects, Natasha Bedingfield Three Doors Down,
> James Blunt, Nelly, Pussycat Dolls, Black Eyed Peas,
> Shakira, Rhianna, even Nickleback and Eminem is not extreme
> - it's pure Pop for the 2000s and above.

It is quite telling how CHR had to be dragged kicking and screaming into playing James Blunt, after his runaway success on AAA, Hot AC, and AC. It seems that if it's not rock, rap, or a pop diva, then CHR is the last to play it!

Same thing with Jesse McCartney/"Beautiful Soul" and Click Five/"Just The Girl". I heard the background Muzak in stores and restaurants playing these songs months before CHR ever touched them. That's pretty sad!!

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[JeremyAndrews]

Re: WRONG!

> > Look at what happened in the early-mid 90s. CHR died off
> all
> > over. Then in 1997-1998 the teen pop came in and poof, CHR
>
> > exploded into something big again.
> >
> You didn't have CHR radio gagged to death by mediocre Teen
> Pop crap in 97. You had a bit of it in small doses by the
> likes of Hanson, BSB, and the Spice Girls. you also had pure
> Pop from the likes of Savage Garden, crossover Rap from will
> Smith, and crossover Dance from La Bouche.
> I absolutely hated KIIS-FM Los Angeles in 99-2000 when
> literally every other song was Teen Pop. KIIS sounds much
> better now with the Rhythmic lean. Leave all that kiddie
> stuff to Radio Disney.
>
> > Now here we go again 2002-2003 about the 10 year
> anniversary
> > of when CHR started to go under in the 90s, we got nothing
>
> > but hip hop and medeocre rock.
>
> What a load of crap! There's plenty of pure Pop music out
> there. Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Gwen Stefani, Beyonce, All
> American Rejects, Natasha Bedingfield Three Doors Down,
> James Blunt, Nelly, Pussycat Dolls, Black Eyed Peas,
> Shakira, Rhianna, even Nickleback and Eminem is not extreme
> - it's pure Pop for the 2000s and above.
>

All-American Rejects and 3 Doors Down fit the rock and alternative catigory.

if Three Doors Down were pop, they wouldn't be playing them on the active rock and mainstream and even classic rock stations.

All-American Rejects are alternative plain and simple. They got their start there and were on alternative well before CHR decided to pick them up. Both Swing, Swing and Dirty Little Secret.

I first heard Swing, Swing on WLUM Milwaukee in fall 2002. In late spring/summer CHR picked it up. Since WXSS was rhythmic CHR outside of Evanescence in Summer 03, they didn't touch it. WKSC played it for a few weeks overnight only.

These 2 bands are the rock and alternative they throw in with the other artists.

Switch them with Click Five and Bowling For Soup. They pass as pop.
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[JeremyAndrews]

> > > >
> > > > Last time I actually liked all of the songs I could
> hear
> >
> > > on
> > > > CHR was in 2001. There was more life in it all back
> > then.
> > > >
> > > there was WAYYYY too much Teen Pop on the charts between
>
> > > 1999 and 2001, yuck!
> > >
> > > > And to prove my statement, the ratings for CHR was
> > better
> > > > then. After 2001, it slowly went downhill.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Not true for cities like New York, Los Angeles, Dallas,
> > > Boston, Washington, Houston, Hartford, St. Louis,
> > Cleveland,
> > > Milwaukee, Columbus, and countless others.
> > >
> > re read the post. I added to it
> >
> > and as for the teen pop, at least it was fun and gave CHR
> > something exclusive to it. Now that its all hip hop and
> > alternative rock CHR doesn't have its own identity. You
> can
> > get the same stuff on other stations.
> >
> > Look at what happened in the early-mid 90s. CHR died off
> all
> > over. Then in 1997-1998 the teen pop came in and poof, CHR
>
> > exploded into something big again.
> >
> > Now here we go again 2002-2003 about the 10 year
> anniversary
> > of when CHR started to go under in the 90s, we got nothing
>
> > but hip hop and medeocre rock. All sounds the same. No pop
>
> > to paste it together, just 2 extremes. Some stations like
> > WXSS lean rhythmic (as several stations did 10 years ago)
> > others like WIXX leaning rock. And of course Z-100's
> > rock/alternative lean in the mid 90s.
> >
>
> Spring/Summer 2003 was pretty good...but as the year went to
> fall it became a rhythmic part two.
>
In early 2003 when artists like Lasgo, JC Chasez solo, DF Dub, Bowling For Soup, Simple Plan, T.A.T.U., Jay-Z & Beyonce were on the chart, I thought CHR was getting better.

Then 2-3-03, WXSS decided to get rhythmic. VERY rhythmic. Then I saw what was coming. For most of spring and summer 2003 until they added Evanescence there was NO sign at all that WXSS was a Mainstream CHR. It was ALL Rhythmic.

Summer 2003 had Junior Senior - Move Your Feet and Widelife - All Things for pop/etc but other then that it was mostly hip hop and rock.

Summer 2004 was a drastic improvement from 2003. WXSS started going back into the mainstream direction. It was almost a full mainstream CHR again and the ratings went back up into the 7s. I started listening to CHR more. The music was getting better. Then the music went right down the crapper again. And WXSS went back into the rhythmic lean.

And just for the heck of it, here are a few of my personal charts. The reason I am posting these is because they showcase the time periods.


8-25-01

1. Gorillaz Clint Eastwood
2. Incubus Drive
3. Gorillaz 19-2000
4. Eve Let Me Blow Ya Mind
5. Nelly Furtado I’M Like A Bird
6. Nelly Ride Wit Me
7. *NSYNC Pop
8. City High What Would You Do
9. Christina Aguilera Lady Marmalade
10. Dream In My Dreams
11. Gorillaz 5/4
12. Aerosmith Jaded
13. Soul Decision Let’s Do It Right
14. Pink Most Girls
15. Aaron Carter Aaron’s Party
16. Dream This Is Me
17. Dream He Loves You Not
18. K-CI & JoJo Crazy
19. Jennifer Lopez Play
20. Nelly Furtado Turn Off The Light
21. Gorillaz Double Bass

7-31-02
1. Ja Rule Always On Time
2. 311 Amber
3. Fat Joe What’s Luv
4. Avril Lavinge Things I’ll Never Say
5. Eminem Without Me
6. Elvis Presley Vs. JXL A Little Less Conversation-RMX
7. The Calling Wherever You Will Go
8. Prozzäk Get A Clue
9. Baha Men Move It Like This
10. Lil’ Romeo 2 Way
11. S Club 7 Never Had A Dream Come True
12. B2K Uh Huh
13. Vanessa Carlton A Thousand Miles
14. LeAnn Rimes Can’t Fight The Moonlight-RMX
15. Glen Lewis Don’t You Forget It
16. Jermaine Dupri Welcome To Atlanta
17. Enrique Iglasias Escape
18. Shakira Underneath You Clothes
19. Eminem Cleanin’ Out My Closet
20. Avril Lavigne Complicated-RMX
21. Saves The Day Freekish
22. Jennifer Lopez I’M Gonna Be Alright-RMX
23. No Doubt Underneath It All
24. Jimmy Eat World The Middle

8-18-03
1. Kelly Clarkson Miss Independant
2. Lumidee Never Leave You
3. Black Eyed Peas Where Is The Love
4. Maroon 5 Harder To Breathe
5. Blu Cantrell Breathe
6. All-American Rejects Swing, Swing
7. Fabolous Can’t Let You Go
8. Jason Mraz The Remedy
9. Sean Paul Like Glue TW63
10. Smash Mouth You Are My Number One
11. Chingy Right Thurr
12. Mya My Love Is Like...Whoa
13. Junior Senior Move Your Feet
14. Sarai Ladies
15. MercyMe I Could Only Imagine
16. Matchbox 20 Bright Lights
17. Uncle Kracker Drift Away
18. 50 Cent 21 Questions
19. R. Kelly Thoia Thoing
20. R. Kelly Ignition-RMX
21. Trapt Headstrong
22. Jewel Intuition
23. Matchbox 20 Unwell
24. Bowling For Soup Punk Rock 101

7-30-04
1. 311 Lovesong
2. Los Lonely Boys Heaven
3. 3 Doors Down Away From The Sun
5. Outkast Roses
6. Modest Mouse Float On
7. JoJo Baby It’s You
8. Story Of The Year Until The Day I Die
9. Switchfoot Meant To Live
10. Ashlee Simpson Pieces Of Me
11. Kelly Clarkson Breakaway
12. LostProphets Last Train Home
13. Maroon 5 She Will Be Loved
14. Jason Mraz Curbside Prophet
15. Juvenile Slow Motion
16. Finger Eleven One Thing
17. Hoobastank The Reason
18. Ryan Cabrera On The Way Down
19. Joss Stone Fell In Love With A Boy
20. Hilary Duff/Hailie Duff Our Lips Are Sealed
21. Christina Milian Dip It Low
22. Black Eyed Peas Let’s Get It Started
23. Rasmus In The Shadows
24. Kevin Lyttle Turn Me On
25. Twista Overnight Celebrity
26. Yellowcard Ocean Avenue

7-25-05
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2. …Trail Of Dead The Rest Will Follow
3. Hawthorne Heights Ohio Is For Lovers
4. Incubus Talk Shows On Mute
5. 30 Seconds To Mars Attack
6. Unwritten Law Save Me
7. Jimmy Eat World Work
8. American Hi-Fi The Geeks Get The Girls
9. Papa Roach Scars
10. Postal Service Such Great Heights
11. Crossfade Cold
12. Simple Plan Untitled
13. Crazy Frog Axel F
14. Howie Day Collide
15. Dishwalla Collide
16. Gorillaz El Manana
17. Citizen Cope Sun’s Gonna Rise
18. Green Day Holiday
19. Gwen Stefani Hollaback Girl
20. Relient K. Be My Escape
21. D.H.T. Listen To Your Heart
22. Bowling For Soup Ohio
23. Weezer Beverly Hills
24. Story Of The Year Anthem Of Our Dying Day
25. Rihanna Pon De Replay
26. Kelly Clarkson Behind These Hazel Eyes

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4. Prozzäk When I Think Of You
5. Jack’s Mannequin The MixedTape
6. We Are Scientists Nobody Move, Nobody Get Hurt
7. Living Things Bom Bom Bom
8. Bright Eyes Lover I Don’t Have To Love
9. Anberlin Paper Thin
10. Cherry Monroe Anything
11. Jimmy Eat World Work
12. Avenged Sevenfold Bat Country
13. Postal Service Such Great Heights
14. Athlete Half Light
15. My Chemical Romance The Ghost Of You
16. Hawthorne Heights Ohio Is For Lovers
17. Pussycat Dolls Stickwitu
18. Rihanna If It’s Lovin That You Want
19. Aqualung Brighter Than Sunshine
20. Shinedown I Dare You
21. Cascada Everytime We Touch
22. H.I.M. Wings Of A Butterfly
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25. Electric Six Danger! High Voltage
26. Better Than Ezra A Lifetime

 

[CHRles]

Re: WRONG!

> > > Look at what happened in the early-mid 90s. CHR died off
>
> > all
> > > over. Then in 1997-1998 the teen pop came in and poof,
> CHR
> >
> > > exploded into something big again.
> > >
> > You didn't have CHR radio gagged to death by mediocre Teen
>
> > Pop crap in 97. You had a bit of it in small doses by the
> > likes of Hanson, BSB, and the Spice Girls. you also had
> pure
> > Pop from the likes of Savage Garden, crossover Rap from
> will
> > Smith, and crossover Dance from La Bouche.
> > I absolutely hated KIIS-FM Los Angeles in 99-2000 when
> > literally every other song was Teen Pop. KIIS sounds much
> > better now with the Rhythmic lean. Leave all that kiddie
> > stuff to Radio Disney.
> >
> > > Now here we go again 2002-2003 about the 10 year
> > anniversary
> > > of when CHR started to go under in the 90s, we got
> nothing
> >
> > > but hip hop and medeocre rock.
> >
> > What a load of crap! There's plenty of pure Pop music out
> > there. Kelly Clarkson, Pink, Gwen Stefani, Beyonce, All
> > American Rejects, Natasha Bedingfield Three Doors Down,
> > James Blunt, Nelly, Pussycat Dolls, Black Eyed Peas,
> > Shakira, Rhianna, even Nickleback and Eminem is not
> extreme
> > - it's pure Pop for the 2000s and above.
> >
>
> All-American Rejects and 3 Doors Down fit the rock and
> alternative catigory.
>
> if Three Doors Down were pop, they wouldn't be playing them
> on the active rock and mainstream and even classic rock
> stations.
>
> All-American Rejects are alternative plain and simple. They
> got their start there and were on alternative well before
> CHR decided to pick them up. Both Swing, Swing and Dirty
> Little Secret.
>
> I first heard Swing, Swing on WLUM Milwaukee in fall 2002.
> In late spring/summer CHR picked it up. Since WXSS was
> rhythmic CHR outside of Evanescence in Summer 03, they
> didn't touch it. WKSC played it for a few weeks overnight
> only.
>
> These 2 bands are the rock and alternative they throw in
> with the other artists.
>
> Switch them with Click Five and Bowling For Soup. They pass
> as pop.
>

Neither Click Five nor Bowling For Soup were as hot with the Pop audience as All American Rejects are right now, and all three pale in comparison with Three Doors Down (who also get airplay on AC radio, which means they're definitely Pop).
I would have included Fallout Boy as "Sugar We're Going Down" even got some massive airplay on several Rhythmics, but I figure they're a bit harder then the other Rock bands mentioned. But hey, weren't Bon Jovi one of CHRs core artists/bands in the mid to late 80s alongside Madonna and Michael Jackson?

Jeremy, just b/c the CHRs in your neck of the woods seem to lean Rhythmic doesn't mean they're in a rut, and it definitely doesn't mean CHR radio is in a rut. Think about it - major and large market CHRs have ALWAYS been more open and more friendly to Rhythmic and Dance music. Look at the history of where Motown and Soul got the most CHR airplay, onto Disco, and so forth.

Usually when consultants talk about how CHR stations are getting into these cycles where they lean too heavily on the extremes, their target is more likely the medium sized and smaller markets. CHR radio in the major markets often flourishes, sadly, when it leans a bit in one direction.
Personally it would be awesome if every large market had a CHR/Pop station that was at least as well balanced, and custom mixed, as Z-100 New York. Obviously that isn't the case in places like L.A., Detroit, or Phoenix, and yet those CHRs oftentimes outperform the balanced sounding CHR stations found in other markets.

 

[XL]

Two Words

> I am so SURE that there was crappy songs back in the day
> 2...i know my mom has played some and and has said that is
> crappy music....but did they like it...yes !

Two words:

"Disco Duck"

'Nuff said.