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Touch-FM Going after FCC

106.3 would be a better frequency for them!

106.3 would be a much better frequency for them, because it's outside the coverage contours of the two 106.3s in RI and NH, and also because 106.1 sits on WHRB's IF (106.1 - 10.8 = 95.3). It's also two channels from 106.7 and three channels from 105.7 (106.1 is the reverse). If they want to make the case that they're not interfering with anybody, the IF stops them from claiming that now-but moving to 106.3 would eliminate that problem.

IF spacing is very important-in fact it's the only dial spacing that the FCC will not allow FM stations to short space.
 
I wish them good luck. I hope they can get a station here in Boston, or, as my idea in another post here, (put Funkytown 93.7-and put 93.7 Mike FM on HD2)
Star 93.7 was an alternative to W I L D 1090 when their station turned off at night. Star 93.7 played simular music.
Yes, Star 93.7 was not like W I L D, nor was not like Touch 106 is today.

I think it might be better to put 93.7 as (Funkytown 93.7) and put Mike FM on their HD 2 station.
Have Entercom hire Touch FM On Air Personal, Promotions, and Sales staff. I think that would work.
If not Funkytown 93.7, put it to "Smooth Jazz 93.7" and keep Funkytown on their HD 2 station.
Afterall, Entercom took away 97.7.
Theese are just ideas, please do not look down on me nor say bad things about me because I like a particular station. Read the whole article that Rapking downloaded here. Please do not look down on us
Listen to their station online, look at the good things they do for their listenners, read the article, it is written there in black and white.

thank you
 
106.3 would be a much better frequency for them, because it's outside the coverage contours of the two 106.3s in RI and NH, and also because 106.1 sits on WHRB's IF (106.1 - 10.8 = 95.3). It's also two channels from 106.7 and three channels from 105.7 (106.1 is the reverse). If they want to make the case that they're not interfering with anybody, the IF stops them from claiming that now-but moving to 106.3 would eliminate that problem.

They can't make the claim they're not interfering with anyone at all. Look, I'm the first to admit that the FCC's allocations system has little basis in reality...but the line in the sand had to be drawn somewhere, and so the FCC drew it. Touch FM has stepped pretty far over that line and there is nowhere they can stand that isn't crossing that line.

I know from both first- and second-hand experience that the FCC does not care about your claims of "not really interfering with anyone". If you're in violation of the contours or minimum distance rules...then you're interfering and you're toast. The FCC will, however, consider your request if, according to the allocations scheme, you are proposing a change that will cause interference to yourself but not anyone else. Even then, there still has to be demonstrated net gain for your station. But you cannot cause any interference to anyone else.

The only exception, and there's not much rhyme or reason here, is if the other station you're proposing new interference with agrees with you that the new interference will be minimal and provides a letter of support to the FCC, stating as much. Even then, you often must demonstrate that some other service is being provided to "cover" the new interference...like a translator on another frequency is used to cover the interference zone. But in TouchFM's case it's all moot because they're not a licensed operation, and no licensed station in town is going to agree to accept their interference.

I'm sorry, but TouchFM is doomed to fail and always was. They were NEVER going to get legal authority to broadcast, and sooner or later the long arm of the law would catch up with the operators. :-\ Maybe not through shutdowns, but Clemons now has a hefty fine to pay, and if he doesn't pay it, sooner or later he'll either go through asset forfeiture proceeds (or go to jail). I don't have much sympathy for the guy, but I don't want to his life destroyed, either. :(

There's precedent here, too...remember Radio Free Brattleboro? They had community support, too....fat lot of good it did them.
 
LAUROJRM said:
I think it might be better to put 93.7 as (Funkytown 93.7) and put Mike FM on their HD 2 station.

They won't pay a staff for the station they have on 93.7 now. What could possibly make you think they'd pay the people at Touch?
 
LAUROJRM said:
Have Entercom hire Touch FM On Air Personal, Promotions, and Sales staff.

Entercom hiring criminals? Gee...they've never done that before...

LAUROJRM said:
Afterall, Entercom took away 97.7.

No. Radio One took 97.7 away, by selling it. Entercom, as the licensee, is entitled to do with it whatever they please.
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
LAUROJRM said:
Have Entercom hire Touch FM On Air Personal, Promotions, and Sales staff.

Entercom hiring criminals? Gee...they've never done that before...

LAUROJRM said:
Afterall, Entercom took away 97.7.

No. Radio One took 97.7 away, by selling it. Entercom, as the licensee, is entitled to do with it whatever they please.
Entercom Morning man ( from Star 93.7 ) went to Jail . Radio One, The Only Game ( Urban Format ) in Town and Radio One still found a way to F@@K it Up. Urban Specialist, "MY ASS ". Radio One Trash a Great Urban station out in LA. Radio One SUCKS !!!!
 
LAUROJRM said:
I wish them good luck. I hope they can get a station here in Boston, or, as my idea in another post here, (put Funkytown 93.7-and put 93.7 Mike FM on HD2)
Star 93.7 was an alternative to W I L D 1090 when their station turned off at night. Star 93.7 played simular music.
Yes, Star 93.7 was not like W I L D, nor was not like Touch 106 is today.

I think it might be better to put 93.7 as (Funkytown 93.7) and put Mike FM on their HD 2 station.
Have Entercom hire Touch FM On Air Personal, Promotions, and Sales staff. I think that would work.
If not Funkytown 93.7, put it to "Smooth Jazz 93.7" and keep Funkytown on their HD 2 station.
Afterall, Entercom took away 97.7.
Theese are just ideas, please do not look down on me nor say bad things about me because I like a particular station. Read the whole article that Rapking downloaded here. Please do not look down on us
Listen to their station online, look at the good things they do for their listenners, read the article, it is written there in black and white.

thank you

Ok, I am confused, Lauro. Why would you take a station (Mike-FM) is doing well 25 - 54 and seems to billing well (form the amount of commercials they're playing) to put something on that was unsuccessful to begin with (Funkytown is what Star was to an extent)? Add to that the minimal overhead on Mike vs. staffing a station that will require live bodies and I have to ask, how does this make sense for Entercom??

No one is looking down on you because you like a certain station, people take exception to the fact that you, who claims to be employed by Entercom, supports an illeagal operation.

By the way, I read the article in the Banner...I found this to be amusing:

Don’t get Clemons started on the FCC fine.

“Why would they give us a fine if they already know that our station doesn’t interfere with other larger stations?” Clemons asked. Then he answered.

“Is it because you don’t want to raise the level of consciousness in communities of color? Is it because you don’t want to stop the violence in communities of color? Is it because you don’t want to unite the families of color in communities of color?”


It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact you're running an illegal operation...which the reporter fails to mention in those terms!?! Mr. Clemons does a great job of hiding his criminal activity by saying the FCC doesn't care about the communities of color...very nice...commit a crime and claim YOU'RE the victim.
 
aaronread said:
106.3 would be a much better frequency for them, because it's outside the coverage contours of the two 106.3s in RI and NH, and also because 106.1 sits on WHRB's IF (106.1 - 10.8 = 95.3). It's also two channels from 106.7 and three channels from 105.7 (106.1 is the reverse). If they want to make the case that they're not interfering with anybody, the IF stops them from claiming that now-but moving to 106.3 would eliminate that problem.

They can't make the claim they're not interfering with anyone at all. Look, I'm the first to admit that the FCC's allocations system has little basis in reality...but the line in the sand had to be drawn somewhere, and so the FCC drew it. Touch FM has stepped pretty far over that line and there is nowhere they can stand that isn't crossing that line.

I know from both first- and second-hand experience that the FCC does not care about your claims of "not really interfering with anyone". If you're in violation of the contours or minimum distance rules...then you're interfering and you're toast. The FCC will, however, consider your request if, according to the allocations scheme, you are proposing a change that will cause interference to yourself but not anyone else. Even then, there still has to be demonstrated net gain for your station. But you cannot cause any interference to anyone else.

The only exception, and there's not much rhyme or reason here, is if the other station you're proposing new interference with agrees with you that the new interference will be minimal and provides a letter of support to the FCC, stating as much. Even then, you often must demonstrate that some other service is being provided to "cover" the new interference...like a translator on another frequency is used to cover the interference zone. But in TouchFM's case it's all moot because they're not a licensed operation, and no licensed station in town is going to agree to accept their interference.

I'm sorry, but TouchFM is doomed to fail and always was. They were NEVER going to get legal authority to broadcast, and sooner or later the long arm of the law would catch up with the operators. :-\ Maybe not through shutdowns, but Clemons now has a hefty fine to pay, and if he doesn't pay it, sooner or later he'll either go through asset forfeiture proceeds (or go to jail). I don't have much sympathy for the guy, but I don't want to his life destroyed, either. :(

There's precedent here, too...remember Radio Free Brattleboro? They had community support, too....fat lot of good it did them.

Actually, if they co-located on the Pru (or within 1200 meters of it), 106.3 could be a usable LP-100 frequency. They'd need an FCC waiver of the spacing rules, but because no interference would be caused to anyone, the Commission just might approve it. And though Radio Brattleboro lost, that pirate in Nevada won last year-he was granted an STA to broadcast until an LPFM could be licensed to his community.

That said-you have uncovered a glaring problem with the FCC-there's an exception to EVERY FCC rule! Why have any rules if money and power can get you waivers of them almost 100% of the time?
 
LA_Guy said:
aaronread said:
Actually, if they co-located on the Pru (or within 1200 meters of it), 106.3 could be a usable LP-100 frequency. They'd need an FCC waiver of the spacing rules, but because no interference would be caused to anyone, the Commission just might approve it. And though Radio Brattleboro lost, that pirate in Nevada won last year-he was granted an STA to broadcast until an LPFM could be licensed to his community.

That said-you have uncovered a glaring problem with the FCC-there's an exception to EVERY FCC rule! Why have any rules if money and power can get you waivers of them almost 100% of the time?

Why do people sometimes get a warning instead of a speeding ticket? If you're speeding 80 in a 65 on an empty highway, you're more likely to get a warning or not get pulled over at all than if you speed 45 in a 35 on a busy city street. In fact, sometimes they might change the speed limit to 80 on that highway (it's been done before).
Why did Touch choose 106.1, when 106.3 would do them better if they eventually get a license.
 
mistermicrophone said:
Don’t get Clemons started on the FCC fine.

“Why would they give us a fine if they already know that our station doesn’t interfere with other larger stations?” Clemons asked. Then he answered.

“Is it because you don’t want to raise the level of consciousness in communities of color? Is it because you don’t want to stop the violence in communities of color? Is it because you don’t want to unite the families of color in communities of color?”


It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact you're running an illegal operation...which the reporter fails to mention in those terms!?! Mr. Clemons does a great job of hiding his criminal activity by saying the FCC doesn't care about the communities of color...very nice...commit a crime and claim YOU'RE the victim.

No EAS, No Calls, No License... Buku Dinero!!! BUSTED!
 
and the pirate in Brockton wasn't bothering another station, but was bleeping up the air traffic controllers at Boston's Logan International Airport, but I guess that doesn't count.
 
Yea, the US government has a long track record of giving in to demands made by
criminals! ::) The pirates hold no cards at all. Fine 'em, jail 'em, seize their equipment,
pull the plug once and for all. Good riddance!

They will never be granted a legitimate license. Never. Nor should they be granted one.
They have proven to be unfit as a potential licensee, and a poor role model to their own
community.
Go ahead, cry racism all that you want. That tired old chestnut will do no good.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...
 
ZRXOA 5248 said:
and the pirate in Brockton wasn't bothering another station, but was bleeping up the air traffic controllers at Boston's Logan International Airport, but I guess that doesn't count.
Logan Garbage Tower needs a Upgrade .
 
WLYNgm said:
Yea, the US government has a long track record of giving in to demands made by
criminals! ::) The pirates hold no cards at all. Fine 'em, jail 'em, seize their equipment,
pull the plug once and for all. Good riddance!

They will never be granted a legitimate license. Never. Nor should they be granted one.
They have proven to be unfit as a potential licensee, and a poor role model to their own
community.
Go ahead, cry racism all that you want. That tired old chestnut will do no good.
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time...

Great thoughts! You should have been in the movie "Pump Up The Volume" with Christian Slater...
 
The Beave said:
mistermicrophone said:
Don’t get Clemons started on the FCC fine.

“Why would they give us a fine if they already know that our station doesn’t interfere with other larger stations?” Clemons asked. Then he answered.

“Is it because you don’t want to raise the level of consciousness in communities of color? Is it because you don’t want to stop the violence in communities of color? Is it because you don’t want to unite the families of color in communities of color?”


It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact you're running an illegal operation...which the reporter fails to mention in those terms!?! Mr. Clemons does a great job of hiding his criminal activity by saying the FCC doesn't care about the communities of color...very nice...commit a crime and claim YOU'RE the victim.

No EAS, No Calls, No License... Buku Dinero!!! BUSTED!

I think "Touch-FM" is playing out of their league. The rules are the rules. You can be the greatest radio operator with the best of intentions. But, without that little thing called a LICENSE, you're barking up the wrong tree. The FCC is not going to approve any license for an active pirate radio operator because it would set a very bad precedent. If "Touch FM" were to get a license, what about some of the other pirate operations in town? Ain't going to happen. The band is maxed in Boston. The only possibility for anyone to get a slot on the FM band were to be if the FCC reassigned TV Channels 5 and 6 to the expanded FM band. There are some proposals being bandied about the FCC (as we speak) about that possibly happening once analog TV bites the dust in 2009. No guarantees. But Channels 5 and 6 are not going to be active in this market in less than a year from now. Sure, any talk about that happening is purely speculative at the present time. I support the growth of LPFM, within the framework of the FCC rules and regulations. Stepping on other people's frequencies at will is not right. If you support LPFM, then do it within the framework of the FCC rules and maybe if things change after 2009, something good may come out of it. Let's see. Sure, even if the FM band were to be extended, it would take several years for the radios to proliferate the marketplace. We shall see.
 
Peter Q. George (K1XRB) said:
The Beave said:
mistermicrophone said:
Don’t get Clemons started on the FCC fine.

“Why would they give us a fine if they already know that our station doesn’t interfere with other larger stations?” Clemons asked. Then he answered.

“Is it because you don’t want to raise the level of consciousness in communities of color? Is it because you don’t want to stop the violence in communities of color? Is it because you don’t want to unite the families of color in communities of color?”


It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact you're running an illegal operation...which the reporter fails to mention in those terms!?! Mr. Clemons does a great job of hiding his criminal activity by saying the FCC doesn't care about the communities of color...very nice...commit a crime and claim YOU'RE the victim.

No EAS, No Calls, No License... Buku Dinero!!! BUSTED!

I think "Touch-FM" is playing out of their league. The rules are the rules. You can be the greatest radio operator with the best of intentions. But, without that little thing called a LICENSE, you're barking up the wrong tree. The FCC is not going to approve any license for an active pirate radio operator because it would set a very bad precedent. If "Touch FM" were to get a license, what about some of the other pirate operations in town? Ain't going to happen. The band is maxed in Boston. The only possibility for anyone to get a slot on the FM band were to be if the FCC reassigned TV Channels 5 and 6 to the expanded FM band. There are some proposals being bandied about the FCC (as we speak) about that possibly happening once analog TV bites the dust in 2009. No guarantees. But Channels 5 and 6 are not going to be active in this market in less than a year from now. Sure, any talk about that happening is purely speculative at the present time. I support the growth of LPFM, within the framework of the FCC rules and regulations. Stepping on other people's frequencies at will is not right. If you support LPFM, then do it within the framework of the FCC rules and maybe if things change after 2009, something good may come out of it. Let's see. Sure, even if the FM band were to be extended, it would take several years for the radios to proliferate the marketplace. We shall see.

Actually Peter, the radios are already out there. Most digital FM radios built in the last 20 years are international. They tune not only the North American FM band but the Japanese one as well, which goes from 76-90 mHz. What's usually involved is simply holding in a certain button while powering up the radio to switch modes back and forth. Most digital radios will also do 9 kHz channel spacing the same way.
 
taking over Ch 5 and 6 for FM would open up 60 new FM channels. 87-88 Mhz could be reserved for non-commerical. 76-87 Mhz for Class 3 and 4 AMsto move to a Class A FM 24/7. 76-87 could be used for LPFM too. If the FCC did that , it would be smart ,unlike AM IBOC.
 
I'd expect Nassau on 106.3 out of Nashua, that has a distant map that covers the north shore would protest any use of 106.3, as would the cape station on 106.1 that has a distant map that covers the south shore. Both stations receive unwanted interference from the existing pirate known as Touch if I had to take a guess.


PIRATES SHOULD BE HUNG
 
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