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Tough Luck for Fisher in PPM

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radioprofessor

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The answer to the PPM questions posed in earlier threads ( From the Houston board) Expect Fisher stations to suffer for about four Weeks and then return to normal based on their encoding failures. See the diiscussion below:


Interesting question out of Seattle and the Houston board may have the answer, in my humble view. A top group of stations in Seattle suffered a fire and lost ability to encode for a number of days, but were on the air. When the numbers were released for the week all stations dropped and one dropped from number one to number 12 in the prime demos, which is expected if you dont encode for a day or two. Several on the LA board and Seattle board suggested this happened in Houston at one point. Did Arbitron discount the numbers or remove that week from the stations total when it happened here? I live in LA and am a consultant but find this question creates an intriguing parameter. Houston seems to have the most experience in the PPM parameter and I find this board as a better than average intelligent group of posters compared to other markets, in my humble view.

(david eduardo)
Houston's only incident, that I am aware of, is Hurricane Ike in September of 2008. Not only did it disrupt many stations, it disrupted people's ability to charge and use their PPM devices. So the measurement was suspended and no reports issued for September and October.

Arbitron believes that, since there are no multi-month survey periods and no rolling averages of many months, that any problem will be flushed out within at most 4 weeks, and that the weeklies on either side of a problem will show the true level of listening. Otherwise, every technical problem will cause stations to be averaged, invisible, etc. and the process loses credibility.

That's my analysis, not Arbitron's, though. But having been involved directly since the original Philadelphia tests 6 years ago, I have never seen it suggested that any special treatment be given.
 
Arbitron has been quite clear with stations at the onset, that in order to be rated you had better make sure your encoder is encoding. That's why stations are provided with a backup encoder that automatically switches in the event of failure.

Unfortunately one can't have a hybrid system with the ability to challenge data or fudge the numbers because of extraordinary circumstances and still be consistent plus accurate.
 
Hey Professor Fisher stations seem to have popped back in only one week not four cowboy:) STAR shot back up to number one but you were right that the Fisher cowboys still had that really bad last week cause of their fire or whatever that turned off their encoders :mad: Guess they learned the hard way that you gotta have backup if you go into radio PPM gunfights :) Boy is KOMO killing KIRO-FM. I remember when KIRO was the big dog in town but not anymore :-X KMPS and KIRO were one and two for years, now the PPM acts at the lie detector and tells the truth. :-[ Wonder what KIRO and KMPS will do ??? Are format flips on the horizon ??? KMPS or KIRO could easily go to Oldies or maybe a soft AC format ??? Probably too soon for changes or is it :-X
 
Why in the world would KMPS want to change formats when they're the leading country station in the market? Oh, that's right- you work for the competition. Keep dreaming there emoticon boy!

Of course the term "leading country station" is relative when the three country stations are all hovering lower-middle pack.
 
TVradioguru said:
Of course the term "leading country station" is relative when the three country stations are all hovering lower-middle pack.

Thats quite funny actually! KNBQ pulled a strong 316,200 (roughly) Cume last month! Only 246,000 behind KKWF's 562,800.
KMPS is a CUME winner at 690,300. Now as far as AQH is concerned? KMPS wins again. Breakdowns? KMPS STILL wins.

Sorry "TakeItFromMe" The Wolf still has a long ways to go! Even in this PPM world!
 
You might want to check 18-34 and 25-54 in July cowboys it is no contest :) KMPS does bery well 50+ but in the last few weeks DA WOLF has double the 18-34 and almost double the 25-54 numbers of KMPS or KNBQ ::) Just keeping the PPM horse on the track for you. ;)
 
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