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Tower nuts

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caveman-97

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On Thursday evening, KFI switched on their new tower near Los Angeles. Several years ago the old one was destroyed when an airplane crashed into it. After the new tower had been connected, the two talk hosts mentioned some sort of celebration at the transmitter site. One guy noted that there are some lunatics who drive all over the nation taking photos of radio towers and then posting the pictures on web sites. I wonder if he could have been referring to someone in Rochester.
 
caveman-97 said:
On Thursday evening, KFI switched on their new tower near Los Angeles. Several years ago the old one was destroyed when an airplane crashed into it. After the new tower had been connected, the two talk hosts mentioned some sort of celebration at the transmitter site. One guy noted that there are some lunatics who drive all over the nation taking photos of radio towers and then posting the pictures on web sites. I wonder if he could have been referring to someone in Rochester.

I'm sure I have no idea at all what you're talking about... ;)
 
At least some guy who drives all over and photographs tower sites is engaged in a useful activity. As opposed to some nitwit who is not only paid six-figures with lifetime benefits but also has a 50-person staff, an unlimited expense account and 98% job security (if he stays out of prison) just to hang around Washington or Albany and name post offices or designate the official state muffin.

And occasionally come home here to The District to brag to us, at our expense, about how hard he's working for us.
 
Tower nuts! Man, that has to be painfull. Is there a treatment other than keep away from R. F.?
 
therealjm12 said:
Tower nuts! Man, that has to be painfull. Is there a treatment other than keep away from R. F.?

I believe that's a malady you get when you miss a step during the climb...
 
I dunno, maybe I'm just paranoid..but is it a bad thing when you can see light through the holes in tower sections about 1 third of the way up where there is supposed to be bolts? Is it okay for the antenna to be a little bent looking and the guy wires sag a little..It is supposed to be like that right, and they "straighten out when it gets cold?"

Staff engineer at a radio property we were looking at last week..said that

BIGGEST hornet nest I ever saw at the base near the spark gap and the cracked ceramic insulator..looked like a medicine ball at a gym. Tower lamp still worked, but the wires going to it were flapping in the breeze..oh yeah and the audio was delivered to the transmitter from the studio via a part 15 FM hobby transmitter connected to a battery eliminator..AND the night programming ran on an iPod!

Yeeesh!

Scott should publish a section on his site of the WORST stransmitter sites..that would really be interesting.
 
"Scott should publish a section on his site of the WORST stransmitter sites..that would really be interesting."

And it could be surprising...as would a section on the wreckiest, most poorly equipped studios. (In that latter category, back in the day, WKBW's old 1430 Main Street studios would have qualified hands down. Clearly CapCities spent all its budget on talent, not on toys and technology.)
 
1430. What a dump. Remember the buckets they'd place on top of the production studio RCA BC-6B consolette to catch the water from roof leaks? It was really bad when the snow pack melted on sunny late winter days. And the air studio - with the perforated Masonite acoustic tiles with 1940s "rock wool" packed in back of it for sound absorption. The studio was acoustically very dead but the rock wool had absorbed decades of nicotine and ash from hundreds of thousands of cigarettes smoked in there. You could hang your uncured meats in there and at the end of an airshift - PRESTO! Nicely smoked! Yeccch.
 
It was amazing that they kept that antique RCA board in use as long as they did. I think they first put it in use as a main air board right after World War II, and took it out of service as an air board and relegated it to production use only when they went combo in the mid-1970s and installed modern McCurdy solid state slide-fader boards in the air studio and Alan Lafler's spot production cubicle off to the side. I can remember using the old RCA to produce news features in 1977-78, when it had to be at least 30 years old.

Of course, one of the things I remember most about KB's Main St. studios (allegedly converted from Rev. Clinton Churchill's barn/stable/garage) was the condition of the newsroom where we news grunts labored, right near the air studio at the back of the building. The rats were such regular visitors, Henry Brach said he was able to tell several of them apart and gave them names. (Wonder if they inspired "Rats In My Room"?)
 
Bill, the picture is similar to the main RCA control board at 1430 Main. The K-Big board had but one Vu meter. The board pictured actually looks like the main board at WEBR, 23 North Street, with Vu meters for Audition and program. Al Wallack can verify that point and speak to it.

Yes Bob & Bob, 1430 Main Street could have been put on Buffalo's condemned housing list. Still, somewhere in the back of my head I hear the refrain from Bryan Adams' "Summer of 69" playing "Those were the best days of my life," maybe not so much for me as for the guys like Joey, Danny, Tommy, Sandy, Don Kobiela, Jack Sheridan, Bud Balou, Don Berns, Jack Armstrong, Fred Klestine, Rod Roddy, Jungle Jay, Jack Sheridan, (the real) Don Wade, Bob MacCrae, Casey Piotrowski, Don Pollack, John Summers, Jim Quin, Shane and countless other guys and ladies who went through the doors of that building.

The equipment was held together with bailing wire and duct tape, but listeners didn't know and didn't care because what came out of the radio speaker captivated listeners and fans in 17 states, two countries and two continents.

Guys like me worked the all night show out of the control room, which had a better air conditioner (cut into the back wall next to the equipment racks) than the main HVAC in the big box main studio. That control room air conditioner probably did a better job of filtering the air even after Jim Adler went through two packs of Lucky's while producing the 7-midnight show than the a-c in the main studio did, reprocessing the smoke from the jocks. As for studio stench, the best story was told to me by a K-Big jock who recalled Don Berns bringing one of his cats into the main studio during his show. As the story was told, the cat crawled behind one of the wall sized record racks and left his calling card. It took weeks to figure out where that peculiar aroma was coming from. After that, dormant cigarette smoke seemed like fresh air.

The building was a dump, but the air product was amazing. What an aura. What an era!



JPB
 
Scott Fybush said:
caveman-97 said:
On Thursday evening, KFI switched on their new tower near Los Angeles. Several years ago the old one was destroyed when an airplane crashed into it. After the new tower had been connected, the two talk hosts mentioned some sort of celebration at the transmitter site. One guy noted that there are some lunatics who drive all over the nation taking photos of radio towers and then posting the pictures on web sites. I wonder if he could have been referring to someone in Rochester.

I'm sure I have no idea at all what you're talking about... ;)

I have always been good at tower spotting it's nice to know that others who also do it.
 
music123 said:
Never saw the old KB studios, but the WSAY dump on French Rd had to be a close second.
Uh oh... are we going down the WNIA-WSAY Memory Lane again? From what's been written here months and years ago in previous threads, there was no comparison between KB and WSAY or WNIA. According to Rochester posters and former WSAY employees like Dave Mason, WSAY won the Radio Rat Trap award hands down. Whereas WKBW@1430 Main Street had air conditioning, plenty of cart machines, turntables, good microphones, working studios that were old but well-maintained, plenty of telephones, great sales people, outstanding jocks, good programming people, engineers, secretaries, a cleaning service, traffic people, a fully staffed news department with AP wire, station vehicles, a large paved parking lot, a 50 kW transmitter and a sister TV station that owned the market, WSAY had...

Jack spit. Crank. Dick. Bubkes.

I think some engineering people from KB back in the day might take exception to a previous description of KB being held together with "bailing wire and duct tape," no doubt a metaphorical exaggeration.

-9-
 
Bob 1370, the BC-6 (JPB is correct, KB's was the single-program channel version) dated from the early 1950s. WAXC also had a BC-6B. I agree with "9" that it's not accurate to say that the technical plant was held together with spit and duct tape (fill in your own metaphor.) The building was a cramped, worn-out dump, and the equipment was pretty antiquated even by 1969 standards. But everything did work well.

Neither is it accurate to compare KB with the Gordon Brown Empire. Now WNIA/WSAY were not only dumps, they were sparsely equipped with weird, mismatched and REALLY antique gear. Stuff like 1950s RCA consolettes, Rek-O-Kut Rondine turntables (12" turntables with 16" arms mounted) and Lafayette joystick hobby-grade tape decks. The control room actually had a CRYSTAL microphone in "professional use." The land of "Be Big, Be A Builder" was a construct of an eccentric reclusive engineer who was not really interested in mainstream radio. KB at its dumpiest was still an industry leader and legend.

Let's keep KB's condition in perspective. The original CKLW on Riverside Drive was also a cramped and outmoded plant jammed in alongside the TV station; The Big 8 didn't get really nice digs until 1973 when they moved to Ouellette Avenue. WNDR wasn't a showcase either. In fact, 1430 Main made WAXC at 191 East Avenue a REAL dump by comparison.
 
Hi Bob - Ya mentioned WNIA - you mean WNIA Cheek.... and WSAY Roch? Not being from Roch - not too familiar with WSAY. Did that turn into WAXC? You're definitely right about 'NIA. Can't vouch for 'SAY but it's as though 'NIA was 'playing' radio like a kid in his basement scraping together whatever electronics he could to simulate a radio station. Ya know, WJJL was like that too. When you walked into that station you felt like you were Michael J. Fox and his DeLorean walking instantly into 1965 give or take; complete with 1965 wages. However, when I started I was lucky enough to start at the time they were guttin' the whole air studio and replacing it with all brand new equipment and countertops. The Production Studio? Well, that's where they ran outta money. Many many years later they had a fire and now they are no longer a Main Street resident in the Falls......Huh.......

Anyways, remember the song that 'NIA use ta sign off with everynight at Midnight? If you answered Midnight Mood - Richard Maltby circa 1959 - think of that jingle - 'We've got another Winner...'
 
Does this picture bring back any memories?

http://www.oldradio.com/archives/hardware/RCA-BC-6B.jpg

WADR in Remson had the same board. It really worked good and was quite versitile with some slight upgrades. Someone said the board originally came from NBC in N. Y. Lightninging hitting the power line outside of the studio took care of it once and for all. Insurance got us a new board, cart machines and turntables. The old RCA was kinda cool, though.
 
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