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oldmanradio said:
Shoot From Hip said:
oldmanradio said:
Based on this type of thinking, no station would ever hire AccuWeather or The Weather Channel because every forecast they offer originates in either State College, PA (AccuWx) or Atlanta (TWC). How could they possibly know the weather in your local city, I wonder...could it be technology?

Call me stupid, but how a company believes someone who lives in Dallas can report traffic for several other cities as well as reporters who know those cities' streets and highways is just beyond me.

Regarding weather, when the National Weather Service in Fort Worth issues severe thunderstorm
or tornado warnings, do you tune to the Weather Channel or a local TV or radio station?

Most of us tune to a local TV or radio station, and on that, I would bet good money.

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams

It's all I can do not to take you up on your offer. We don't live in the days of pony express. Using current digital tracking technology, freeway and street cameras, and other devices I won't identify, I can see traffic patterns more clearly in your city from where I sit 2000 miles away than the people working for certain traffic services in Dallas. And using your thinking, Clear Channel wouldn't be able to voicetrack from market to market, or use their own hub-and-spoke system for delivering news (San Diego stations, for example, get news from KFI/LA now). It's not the occasional freak storm we're talking about...it's the day-in and day-out delivery of information. The steamroller of change is coming; be careful not to stand in the way.

Shoot from the Hip,

We're talking apples and oranges.

And you truly are shooting from the hip ... sometimes with blanks.

Sure the technology exists to do the traffic from another city. That is not my point.

Regardless of what information you can obtain via sensors and cameras, etc., the local person still has more intimate knowledge of streets, highways, alternate routes than someone who lives out of town.

You're touting technology which I support. But the human factor is just as important, and you completely ignore that aspect.

If you think it is advantageous for San Diego stations to receive their news from KFI, KFWB or any other LA station, if you think voicetracking has improved radio, then you and I will just have to agree to disagree.

Airing Ryan Seacrest instead of a live and local show is, ironically, part of the reason radio is "old school" to younger listeners.

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams

I don't recall giving an opinion on whether it's good or bad. I'm simply saying that's the reality, and you can either accept it or not. I think I'd prefer a major market quality traffic anchor doing reports for Omaha than someone who's never going to have the skills to leave Omaha...and the feedback from smaller market stations when they get a Dallas or Phoenix or Los Angeles or New York talent doing their reports supports that. It's also the reason many smaller market stations carry syndication: aside from saving money on local talent, the quality of the product is better.
 
Shoot From Hip said:
oldmanradio said:
Shoot From Hip said:
oldmanradio said:
Based on this type of thinking, no station would ever hire AccuWeather or The Weather Channel because every forecast they offer originates in either State College, PA (AccuWx) or Atlanta (TWC). How could they possibly know the weather in your local city, I wonder...could it be technology?

Call me stupid, but how a company believes someone who lives in Dallas can report traffic for several other cities as well as reporters who know those cities' streets and highways is just beyond me.

Regarding weather, when the National Weather Service in Fort Worth issues severe thunderstorm
or tornado warnings, do you tune to the Weather Channel or a local TV or radio station?

Most of us tune to a local TV or radio station, and on that, I would bet good money.

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams

It's all I can do not to take you up on your offer. We don't live in the days of pony express. Using current digital tracking technology, freeway and street cameras, and other devices I won't identify, I can see traffic patterns more clearly in your city from where I sit 2000 miles away than the people working for certain traffic services in Dallas. And using your thinking, Clear Channel wouldn't be able to voicetrack from market to market, or use their own hub-and-spoke system for delivering news (San Diego stations, for example, get news from KFI/LA now). It's not the occasional freak storm we're talking about...it's the day-in and day-out delivery of information. The steamroller of change is coming; be careful not to stand in the way.

Shoot from the Hip,

We're talking apples and oranges.

And you truly are shooting from the hip ... sometimes with blanks.

Sure the technology exists to do the traffic from another city. That is not my point.

Regardless of what information you can obtain via sensors and cameras, etc., the local person still has more intimate knowledge of streets, highways, alternate routes than someone who lives out of town.

You're touting technology which I support. But the human factor is just as important, and you completely ignore that aspect.

If you think it is advantageous for San Diego stations to receive their news from KFI, KFWB or any other LA station, if you think voicetracking has improved radio, then you and I will just have to agree to disagree.

Airing Ryan Seacrest instead of a live and local show is, ironically, part of the reason radio is "old school" to younger listeners.

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams

I don't recall giving an opinion on whether it's good or bad. I'm simply saying that's the reality, and you can either accept it or not. I think I'd prefer a major market quality traffic anchor doing reports for Omaha than someone who's never going to have the skills to leave Omaha...and the feedback from smaller market stations when they get a Dallas or Phoenix or Los Angeles or New York talent doing their reports supports that. It's also the reason many smaller market stations carry syndication: aside from saving money on local talent, the quality of the product is better.

As far as traffic reporters, I have not heard Phoenix or much of NYC.

But in Dallas and LA, you must know that some, if not many, sound as if they belong in small markets too ... especially the weekend reporters.

As far the Omaha reporter goes, what you are saying is voice is preferable to content. Yep, you are right unfortunately. Frankly, I don't think the general public gives a whit about what a traffic reporter sounds like as long as he or she can be understood and can read copy.

Now, the PD may prefer "the voice" who couldn't find his or her way around Omaha with a GPS, a map and a compass. But that is radio people for you.

You say you don't "recall giving an opinion on whether it's good or bad".

Well, what do you think?

Good?

Bad?

Indifferent?

(The voter walks up to the politician and asks him what he thinks are the biggest problems facing America. The politician says "apathy and indifference". The politician then asks the voter for his opinion. The voter looks the politician straight in the eye and replies, "I don't know ... and I don't care!)

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
 
Don't know about the rest of you, but I sure as hell wouldn't consider an hourly wage job as full-time. I'd expect a salary!

But hey, what do I know?
 
scrtr84 said:
Don't know about the rest of you, but I sure as hell wouldn't consider an hourly wage job as full-time. I'd expect a salary!

But hey, what do I know?

The hourly wage rises from $6.55 to $7.25 today.

Sen. Edward Kennedy was the primary force behind that legislation.

Any comment?

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
[email protected]
 
I don't recall giving an opinion on whether it's good or bad. I'm simply saying that's the reality, and you can either accept it or not. I think I'd prefer a major market quality traffic anchor doing reports for Omaha than someone who's never going to have the skills to leave Omaha...and the feedback from smaller market stations when they get a Dallas or Phoenix or Los Angeles or New York talent doing their reports supports that. It's also the reason many smaller market stations carry syndication: aside from saving money on local talent, the quality of the product is better.

[/quote]
As far as traffic reporters, I have not heard Phoenix or much of NYC.

But in Dallas and LA, you must know that some, if not many, sound as if they belong in small markets too ... especially the weekend reporters.

As far the Omaha reporter goes, what you are saying is voice is preferable to content. Yep, you are right unfortunately. Frankly, I don't think the general public gives a whit about what a traffic reporter sounds like as long as he or she can be understood and can read copy.

Now, the PD may prefer "the voice" who couldn't find his or her way around Omaha with a GPS, a map and a compass. But that is radio people for you.

You say you don't "recall giving an opinion on whether it's good or bad".

Well, what do you think?

Good?

Bad?

Indifferent?

(The voter walks up to the politician and asks him what he thinks are the biggest problems facing America. The politician says "apathy and indifference". The politician then asks the voter for his opinion. The voter looks the politician straight in the eye and replies, "I don't know ... and I don't care!)

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
[/quote]


I think that that whatever it takes to get and keep listeners is what programmers...and vendors...should be doing. In general, a major market level talent is going to sound better than a small market talent. You can teach smart people street names and colloquialisms more easily than you can teach raw talent, ad-libbing ability and a big city presentation.
 
Paging Traffic Chief

oldmanradio said:
traffic chief said:
To Thunder Radio:

Thanks for the insight into management and how I manage employees and what traffic reporters are paid. in short, nothing I have said is a lie....lowest current full time employee per hour pay is just under $14 per hour. Now some may be counting a 40 hour work week when in fact mot work around 25-35 Hours per week.

Looking good to my bosses is not a high priority to me....being a good steward of the compnay assests and working with employees and understanding their concerns has always been first for me.

Perhaps if you knew who I was and how I manage...you might change your mind.

Just a couple of questions, chief ...

Are Metro employees who work 25-35 hours a week eligible for health and live insurance coverage, 401K, sick leave and vacation?

Has Metro cut its 401K matching contribution in the last couple of years?

Thanks.

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
[email protected]

Traffic chief,

Still waiting for an answer regarding the above.

Are employees who work 25-35 hours eligible for health and life insurance, sick leave and vacation? What about disability?

Or do you hire part-time employees so you won't have to provide such benefits?

Finally, has Metro cut its matching contributions to employees' 401Ks? Or does Metro match at all now?

You said, "... working with employees and understanding their concerns has always been first for me."

Why not let us know your thoughts and policies regarding Metro's 25-35 hour-a-week employees? Many of us are curious if the rhetoric truly reflects the reality.

Or if you prefer to avoid the questions, why not simply say so?

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
[email protected]
 
I think that that whatever it takes to get and keep listeners is what programmers...and vendors...should be doing. In general, a major market level talent is going to sound better than a small market talent. You can teach smart people street names and colloquialisms more easily than you can teach raw talent, ad-libbing ability and a big city presentation.

Are you are implying that "major market talents" are automatically "smart people"?

Vocal cords and a mind are located in different areas of the anatomy.

What does a "big city presentation" mean? Many of the top traffic reporters, anchors (news readers as they are called in Great Britain), have Texas twangs. Who cares?

And you assume that "a voice" is what will attract listeners because that is what programmers want.

That logic doesn't fly.

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
 
Hey Traffic Chief ... come out, come out ... wherever you are ...

Traffic chief,

Please answer the following questions.

Inquiring minds want to know ... you know?

Are Metro employees who work 25-35 hours eligible for health and life insurance, sick leave and vacation? What about disability?

Or do you hire part-time employees so you won't have to provide such benefits? Many companies do. Metro wouild not be unusual in that regard.

Finally, has Metro cut its matching contributions to employees' 401Ks? Or does Metro match at all now?

You said, "... working with employees and understanding their concerns has always been first for me."

Why not let us know your thoughts and policies regarding Metro's 25-35 hour-a-week employees? Many of us are curious if the rhetoric truly reflects the reality.

Or, you may email me below:

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
[email protected]
 
This is kinda like porn...you know it when you hear it. It's a combination of poise, composure, ability to think on one's feet and ab-lib, ability do to a bit of a play-by-play (as in sports), warmth, creativity, cleverness, knowing where he/she fits in the format and then achieving it, keeping one eye on the clock so as to match the required timing, ability to read commercials and sound like you mean it, and...oh yes...a voice that meets whatever the PD is looking for.
 
Shoot From Hip said:
This is kinda like porn...you know it when you hear it. It's a combination of poise, composure, ability to think on one's feet and ab-lib, ability do to a bit of a play-by-play (as in sports), warmth, creativity, cleverness, knowing where he/she fits in the format and then achieving it, keeping one eye on the clock so as to match the required timing, ability to read commercials and sound like you mean it, and...oh yes...a voice that meets whatever the PD is looking for.

You LISTEN to porn? ;)

OK ... OK ...

But ...

How do you obtain and retain major-league talent when the pay is minor league?

And regardless of what the traffic reporting services may claim, it is minor-league pay.

Can we agree on that?

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
[email protected]
 
Last I checked, employment is a voluntary thing. We'd all like to make more money...I think that's a given. But this argument is becoming like a broken record. No one is forced to take the job if they feel the pay is beneath them...be it a traffic service or anywhere else. Most of the traffic reporters in the market where I live have worked for their employer in excess of 10 years...a number of them more like 20. So evidently they're happy enough with the compensation (which, by the way, is just one more argument for having traffic reporters located only in major markets, where the pay is better than the Oklahoma City/Omaha/San Antonio markets). Feel free to keep griping about the pay if you choose, but for me it's time to move on. Thanks.
 
Shoot From Hip said:
Last I checked, employment is a voluntary thing. We'd all like to make more money...I think that's a given. But this argument is becoming like a broken record. No one is forced to take the job if they feel the pay is beneath them...be it a traffic service or anywhere else. Most of the traffic reporters in the market where I live have worked for their employer in excess of 10 years...a number of them more like 20. So evidently they're happy enough with the compensation (which, by the way, is just one more argument for having traffic reporters located only in major markets, where the pay is better than the Oklahoma City/Omaha/San Antonio markets). Feel free to keep griping about the pay if you choose, but for me it's time to move on. Thanks.

Shoot,

I was not griping about the pay. I don't work for them and have no stake in this. Simply interest in the issue.

And obviously, no one is forced to work as a traffic reporter.

My question was just this: How do you expect to attract major-league talent with minor-league pay. Your response was to simply ignore the question which is your right.

You were the one who insisted that "a voice" is the key. Well, it takes bucks to attract talented people.

To be frank, the talent you described earlier is missing in Dallas ... especially on the weekends and at night ... and in many other major cities as well.

Just because a traffic reporter is located in Dallas, NYC, LA or San Francisco does not guarantee talent.

You get what you pay for.

Just listen.

Good luck!

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
 
I don't work for metro though I used to many years ago. The same management players are there mostly and the latest addition I worked alongside of at another broadcast entity.You manage to stay in touch with former co-workers who became friends, and colleagues who you got along with long after you moved on. So the info I got about Metro was factual, and from different sources from within . So Traffic Chief after I saw grant's post and your email address, an inquiry was made to those "who know". Your imagery of an email was faux, and not to the higher up. You yes, them no. Your "embellished" pay scale is exactly that "embellished",which keeps the imagery alive of a decent wage. T.C. or Tom C. Or C.B. Chris....nice try,but a lousy defense.
 
oldmanradio said:
How do you obtain and retain major-league talent when the pay is minor league?

And regardless of what the traffic reporting services may claim, it is minor-league pay.

and markets usually work. If there was a market for higher paid traffic reporters, there would BE higher paid traffic reporters. But there's NOT a market for higher paid traffic reporters, so you get them making what you charecterize as 'minor league pay'. Maybe the realization neess to be that a minor league spot (traffic) calls for minor league pay. And a major league roster spot (good DJ, talk show host, etc) calls for major league pay. And realize that NOBODY in teh world tunes into a station because of the traffic reporter. A good one might help people stick around, a bad one might drive listeners off, but NO ONE in the world is listening to a station they are not otehrwise interested in just because of the traffic reporter.
 
Is it just me or is this thread ridiculous? I work for a traffic company and don't care to discuss it this much outside of work, at work, or online. I know I shouldn't read it but I can't help myself. I can't believe this therad is 12 pages long. I think it might be the same 3 people using 15 different names just to keep it going. If that is the case very sad and kind of pathetic if you ask me.

I beg of you fellow radio geeks let it die. The majority of listeners don't care about traffic reports or reporters. This is true. I thought this before, during and I'm sure I'll think it after my time at traffic.com. There are great traffic reporters on the air in Dallas. However the bottom line is no one cares except the 20 minutes a day they are stuck on LBJ and at that point the voice telling them about traffic is an after thought. I will say this there is a lot work that does go on behind the scenes to produce traffic reports. I never would of thought that before I worked at traffic.com

To tell you the truth i don't think a lot of listeners care about jocks anymore either. I know this might bruise some egos sorry but it is true. When personality left music radio so did the die hard P1.

little1 i don't think anyone outside of radio management is making "major league money". There are a few exceptions but very few.

So Radio-Info.com peps please move on and talk about something else. Like how cool my website bigbadsportsdaddy.com is! ;D
 
Just so you know Larry, every post of mine has my name at the bottom.

I would simply like to know if part-time employees receive any benefits from their employers -- whether Metro or Traffic.com? To work someone 35 hours, then deny them benefits, if that is the case, seems unfair to me.

And whether $14/hour is a fair wage is ... opinion. If you are working 35 hours a week, you gross $25,480 a year. But without health insurance, you could be wiped out in a matter of days.

Nobody in his or her right mind goes into radio for money. I started at 18 almost 40 years ago at the University of Oklahoma because it was FUN.

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams

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LarryStanley said:
. The majority of listeners don't care about traffic reports or reporters.
That's what I've been saying.

little1 i don't think anyone outside of radio management is making "major league money". There are a few exceptions but very few.
But that's also a result of the competitive enviorment we're in now. Look at the number of 'new' stations/signals that have moved into the market- and realize that everytime a station gets turned on or moves closer to town, the market gets fragmented that much more. II remember when the Edge turned on at 94.5. And how you could barely hear it some places. Then how they increased tower height, etc and that signal got better and better and then suddenly they were a factor in this market-

Look back at old ratings from the 80's and there's maybe 25 stations listed- now there's 50. of course no one is making the old Ron Chapman/Terry Dorsey/fill in your favorite old jock name here money, they're not drawing the ratings those gusy did, because there's so many more stations slicing up the pie...
 
sorry just seeing the rest of the postings now, Here are your answers: 25 Hours and below are considered part timers, anything above 25 is considered full time. So If someone is considered full time...above 25 hours, they do get health, 401k and vacation. Under 25 hours they do not.

The company this year suspended the 25% match of the 401k.

I do care about employees and how they do. Just like any business, you must perform to remain employed.
 
1. There's a reason traffic reporters SHOULD be local. Not only can they recite the streets and freeways and accident scenes (which anyone can do, as it's often provided by some governmental agency's website or map,) but the LOCAL reporter knows the alternate routes, how many lanes there are on a given freeway, where construction hotspots are, etc. The LOCAL reporter also knows those little intricacies, like there being no southbound exit off the Dallas North Tollway to Walnut Hill, although there IS one northbound. That sure helps when you're trying to establish alternate routes. My calling card for this job was not my Bachelor's degree, not my limited broadcasting background, but was the 500,000 miles I drove on North Texas roadways as a courier and courier business owner in the 1990s. It was a perfect fit.

2. Little1, the words I have for you violate the TOS, but you can use your imagination. Your personal grudge against me that started many aliases ago is appalling and disgusting and pathetic. I guess you don't perceive any value in Monty Cook or Dick Siegel's or Laura Houston's interaction with Hal Jay in the mornings on WBAP for the last 28 years to have been of any ratings value. Then again, maybe you do...it's me that you can't stand getting any personal satisfaction out of a job I did well for six years. It may be small potatoes in your book, but it served me well, it provided me plenty of stability, and I did OK with the salary. (Have I ever said I expected $500K a year for my contributions? Have I ever compared my value to a DJ? Just doing my job and expecting to be paid fairly for it, and I was.) Your two cents and continued effort to run me down and run down the occupation is irrelevant. Find another target for your bitter venom, and feel free to use your own name here sometime and quit hiding behind yet another alias. It sure devalues your "facts" when you won't own up to them with your own name. If you're such a pivotal figure at your company, surely there's no one above you that could justifiably have any issue with it.

3. TrafficChief didn't re-address the salary issue. Perhaps I can provide you all a statement by one person I know personally that was offered "$11-something" an hour. For me, YES, I CHOSE not to even entertain any offer from Metro if it was going to be on those terms. Case closed. Traffic.com was fun and rewarding, but it's over. I'm moving on. I still get my radio ya-ya's every week on my show, so I don't need to thrust myself back into the cesspool of terrestrial radio to counteract the killer disease Sudden Loss Of Fame Syndrome (S.L.O.F.S.)

4. One more visit to Little1's concerns on the subject:
little1 said:
If there was a market for higher paid traffic reporters, there would BE higher paid traffic reporters.
So why would Justin Frazell be paid $80,000 a year by Susquehanna, and briefly by Cumulus, to do his traffic schtick on the air for 8 years? That was an estimate given to me by the late John McCarty, who provided the traffic info for Justin to use on KPLX, and provided Justin a seat in the traffic chopper...so I'd guess it's pretty reliable information.

And you think Monty and Laura do this for free? (well, Monty may NOW with Metro.) Monty, Laura, KSCS's Michael Scott and Justin (before) are more like traffic "personalities" who are (were) paid handsomely for their contributions. Little1, if it's an issue of being afraid of having to lump me in with those likes and having to admit that there's some value to traffic, well, don't worry. I wasn't a "personality," just a reporter. No need to beat me down further. I'm in my place right now, thank you.

5. This Traffic thread has more hits than either of the Russ Martin threads, so, sure, keep it going. Strange that, for as value-less as some people consider traffic reporting, there sure seems to be a lot of ongoing interest.

6. My name is Mike Shannon, and I stand by my postings and my opinions. I don't hide behind a cloak of darkness just to spread lies and p**s people off. As it's been for the last NINE years I've posted on this board: If you have a problem or issue with me or my comments, say so on the board, or send me a private message through the board, or email me at [email protected], or you can even give me a call at 817/642-8383. I don't always have it right, I hear rumors and hearsay just like you all do, and most of what I write here is OPINION. Sometimes it comes out sounding worse that I intended. And, like each of you, I have radio people I love, and those that I loathe. I have people who've p**sed on me, and surely a few that I've p**sed on myself, although that's really not my style.

I urge each and every one to research anything you read on this entire website before you accept it as gospel.

It's probably necessary now to remind folks of the small print found at the bottom of EVERY page on Radio-Info.com:

"Postings on Radio-Info.com are the opinions of the people who post them. Views expressed do not necessarily represent the views of Radio-Info.com or its parent in3 media, inc. In fact many of the views expressed here are just plain wrong. But they are opinions and this site allows us all to discuss those opinions. Any reliance on information posted is done so at the user's own risk."

Done with it!! See ya!
 
traffic chief said:
sorry just seeing the rest of the postings now, Here are your answers: 25 Hours and below are considered part timers, anything above 25 is considered full time. So If someone is considered full time...above 25 hours, they do get health, 401k and vacation. Under 25 hours they do not.

The company this year suspended the 25% match of the 401k.

I do care about employees and how they do. Just like any business, you must perform to remain employed.

As much as I would like to see ALL employees insured, I must say in all fairness that Metro's policy of insuring part-timers who work 25 hours or more is better than many companies.

As far as dropping the 401K match, it seems during the recession, that once companies began that policy, others just followed like sheep ... right over the edge of the cliff. That is money taken OUT of the pockets of employees. Employers have backed out of a promise made to employees when they were hired.

How else can you put it?

And how morally can you justify it?

Tony
Tony Lyndell Williams
 
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