Traffic Reports

[salemjedi54]

People that refuse to venture into any part of Oak Cliff thinking they'll be shot are missing out. But if they're THAT ignorant, they probably think El Chico is good Mexican food.

I've lived in St. Louis two blocks from projects, so I'm familiar with how things
are. You're right, not THAT bad, but no use chancing things. Hmmm, Flower
Mound vs. East Dallas or Ledbetter at I-35?? ....I do believe I'll choose Flower
Mound.

Nah, I ain't like the dumb a** Texans that think good Italian food is Olive
Garden...(again, check St. Louis reference) but I also know I can get PLENTY
of good Mexican food up here on the north side, and family owned, without
going south. Plus, I'm not going 45 minutes or traveling to Oak Cliff for food
anyway. I like convenience.

Now, I'd travel 2 hours for Babe's chicken. And the 'Cliff ain't got it. So
there... ;D

Yeah but there is Wingfield's Burgers, Rudy's Chicken, Hall's Chicken and Williams Chicken. All in the Hood baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[johnqdoe]

People that refuse to venture into any part of Oak Cliff thinking they'll be shot are missing out. But if they're THAT ignorant, they probably think El Chico is good Mexican food.

I've lived in St. Louis two blocks from projects, so I'm familiar with how things
are. You're right, not THAT bad, but no use chancing things. Hmmm, Flower
Mound vs. East Dallas or Ledbetter at I-35?? ....I do believe I'll choose Flower
Mound.

Nah, I ain't like the dumb a** Texans that think good Italian food is Olive
Garden...(again, check St. Louis reference) but I also know I can get PLENTY
of good Mexican food up here on the north side, and family owned, without
going south. Plus, I'm not going 45 minutes or traveling to Oak Cliff for food
anyway. I like convenience.

Now, I'd travel 2 hours for Babe's chicken. And the 'Cliff ain't got it. So
there... ;D

New one in Cedar Hill!!!!

 

[jd]

And don't forget Hardeman's BBQ. Sure, one of their original locations is on Singleton at Westmoreland, which is probably technically West Dallas but there's another one in Oak Cliff proper. Still another is on Ledbetter, in South Oak Cliff (or is it?). But I'll qualify my statements by saying it's all open to interpretation.

It's understandably open to debate when giving traffic reports if the location in question is south of the Interstate 30 but not close to the heart of the original town of Oak Cliff. No one seems to agree on the boundaries of Oak Cliff, with one semi-official organization saying that it roughly lies south of I-30 and the Trinity River to the north, west of I-35 (R.L. Thornton Freeway), east of Hampton Road and north of Clarendon. That's an awfully compact area, and it raises a lot of questions.

Is Oak Cliff anything south of the Trinity? Of course not. Does West Dallas include those areas north of I-30? Yes, and I think almost everyone would agree with that. Maybe it's time to really address this issue, at least for clarity in traffic reports. Could we all agree that Greater Oak Cliff includes anything within the city limits of Dallas that's south of the river except West Dallas? Maybe we could, but I'd break it down into sections. I think it would make sense to call the area west of Hampton West Oak Cliff, south of Illinois between Hampton and I-35 South Oak Cliff (notice that I arbitrarily moved the south limit from Clarendon down to Illinois) and anything east of I-35 would become East Oak Cliff. With those boundaries as a standard, anything traffic-wise that occurs in the remaining area south of I-30, east of Hampton, north of Illinois and west of I-35E would be reported as happening in the community of Oak Cliff, the one and only original place.

Maybe you'll disagree with my suggestions. But I wonder if there is any sort of guidelines in place at the traffic reporting services to make some sense out of all, e.g., how big is Oak Cliff, where does it become "South Oak Cliff" and is calling anything other than the neighborhoods south of downtown and east of the Trinity "South Dallas" totally wrong?

 

[BigB68]

And don't forget Hardeman's BBQ. It's understandably open to debate when giving traffic reports
But I wonder if there is any sort of guidelines in place at the traffic reporting services to make some sense out of all

Damn, all this food talk is making me hungry, and pissing off some folks because we got so side tracked. All I can
do is laugh, and apologize at the same time. Sorry folks, it's all in good fun. Don't take things so effin' seriously...

JD - personally I think all traffic reports should be prefaced by "In that area south of what Dallasites call a "river",
and some moronic traffic reporters (who will remain nameless) call "The Canyon", where there is some awesome food
and pretty bungalow cottage homes with big porches to put a nice swing, and heavily wooded yards, sprinkled in with
gang bangers, crack houses, projects, and the occasional pimp/ho..." there is a collision slowing down your commute....

;D ;D ;D

 

[bdabagia]

... and some moronic traffic reporters (who will remain nameless) call "The Canyon" ...

It isn't only traffic reporters who call it "the canyon." Love Field's controllers refer to both the southern couple of miles of 75 and the two-mile stretch of I-20 between I-45 and I-35 as "the canyon" as well. According to that logic, 635 should never be called "LBJ" either.

 

[salemjedi54]

... and some moronic traffic reporters (who will remain nameless) call "The Canyon" ...

southern couple of miles of 75 and the two-mile stretch of I-20 between I-45 and I-35 as "the canyon" as well.

You mean I-30 also known as RL Thorton.....

 

[jd]

According to that logic, 635 should never be called "LBJ" either.

That's right, but it could be worse. Thankfully the traffic reporters (and the public) don't refer to our freeways like they do in SoCal, i.e., "The 405," "The 210," etc.

I'm actually surprised that the shortest freeway in Dallas has kept its full name, "Woodall Rodgers" over the years. I guess you can blame the Texas Department of Transportation for that, though, since it has an official number but no signage: www.projectpegasus.org/wre.htm

I'm curious about something, and maybe Mike Shannon or somebody can shed some light on it. Unlike Fort Worth the city of Dallas uses several different block numbering systems, for instance downtown and South Dallas share one, but Northwest Dallas and eastward (partly interrupted by the Park Cities) to northeast Dallas has another, and the Pleasant Grove area has its own, as does Oak Cliff (or should I say anything south and west of the main channel of the Trinity River). Is there an explanation of the system(s) available to traffic reporting services and if so, is it included in Traffic 101? I was actually able to get one from the city many years ago but I lost the darned thing. Fortunately I remembered some of nuances of it, though, and it has come in handy over the years.

 

[salemjedi54]

According to that logic, 635 should never be called "LBJ" either.

That's right, but it could be worse. Thankfully the traffic reporters (and the public) don't refer to our freeways like they do in SoCal, i.e., "The 405," "The 210," etc.

I'm actually surprised that the shortest freeway in Dallas has kept its full name, "Woodall Rodgers" over the years. I guess you can blame the Texas Department of Transportation for that, though, since it has an official number but no signage: www.projectpegasus.org/wre.htm

I'm curious about something, and maybe Mike Shannon or somebody can shed some light on it. Unlike Fort Worth the city of Dallas uses several different block numbering systems, for instance downtown and South Dallas share one, but Northwest Dallas and eastward (partly interrupted by the Park Cities) to northeast Dallas has another, and the Pleasant Grove area has its own, as does Oak Cliff (or should I say anything south and west of the main channel of the Trinity River). Is there an explanation of the system(s) available to traffic reporting services and if so, is it included in Traffic 101? I was actually able to get one from the city many years ago but I lost the darned thing. Fortunately I remembered some of nuances of it, though, and it has come in handy over the years.

Woodall Rodgers does have a number...Its Spur 366......
I Googled it over the weekend.

 

[little1]

Woodall Rodgers does have a number...Its Spur 366......
I Googled it over the weekend.

Man, you live an exciting life.

Not sure my heart could stand that much fun....

 

[salemjedi54]

Woodall Rodgers does have a number...Its Spur 366......
I Googled it over the weekend.

Man, you live an exciting life.

Not sure my heart could stand that much fun....

Thanks Hoss...I'm an information junkie. I am the keeper of abstract little known facts.

 

[Old Jack]

It's understandably open to debate when giving traffic reports if the location in question is south of the Interstate 30 but not close to the heart of the original town of Oak Cliff. No one seems to agree on the boundaries of Oak Cliff, with one semi-official organization saying that it roughly lies south of I-30 and the Trinity River to the north, west of I-35 (R.L. Thornton Freeway), east of Hampton Road and north of Clarendon. That's an awfully compact area, and it raises a lot of questions.

I think FT. Wort Ave was the natural Northern boarder, but I-30 works pretty well.

I think Kiest is a more logical southern border than Clarendon or Illinois.

East-West, I'd say I-35 to Westmoreland because Westmoreland divides Oak Cliff from the city of Cockrell Hill.

 

[Gridlock Joe]

I'm curious about something, and maybe Mike Shannon or somebody can shed some light on it. Unlike Fort Worth the city of Dallas uses several different block numbering systems, for instance downtown and South Dallas share one, but Northwest Dallas and eastward (partly interrupted by the Park Cities) to northeast Dallas has another, and the Pleasant Grove area has its own, as does Oak Cliff (or should I say anything south and west of the main channel of the Trinity River). Is there an explanation of the system(s) available to traffic reporting services and if so, is it included in Traffic 101? I was actually able to get one from the city many years ago but I lost the darned thing. Fortunately I remembered some of nuances of it, though, and it has come in handy over the years.

I must have missed that meeting of the traffic reporters' fraternity, so can't help with anything official, but:

Oak Cliff used to be its own city, and its street numbering system was grandfathered in when it merged with Dallas in 1903. Zero point is 10th and Beckley.

Old East Dallas (Gaston) looks like it incorporated pretty well into the Dallas numbering system.

On the Dallas grid, the east/west 0 point is the west city limit.

I have no ideas why the east/west numbers restart where they do east of the Park Cities.

Buckner, Peavy and Easton's 0 point is Northwest Highway.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Dallas%2C_Texas_Map_1905.jpg Here's your 1905 street map.

 

[TheBigA]

I can't believe this thread has already gone 4 pages.

 

[Paul Boomer]

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d4/Dallas%2C_Texas_Map_1905.jpg Here's your 1905 street map.

Wow! Very interesting map...thanks for the link!