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traffic & weather together

I've been noticing the weather updates following the traffic reports now on KOMO. Thanks. I appreciate hearing them together now.

And GooRoo, if your consulting for KOMO includes programming content and you had a hand in this decision, I applaud...

(note: I am not being sarcastic, in case anyone is reading it that way).

I was in San Francisco recently, and really enjoyed listening to KCBS. They've consistently been one of Northern California's most important stations for decades, and the way they conduct themselves in the all-news format is spot on. I wonder if the KOMO consultants ever eavesdrop on them, or on WCBS New York or WTOP Washington? And, if so, if they are hearing things that they might try to emulate from those very-successful all-news outlets?

-- GL
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
I've been noticing the weather updates following the traffic reports now on KOMO. Thanks. I appreciate hearing them together now.

And GooRoo, if your consulting for KOMO includes programming content and you had a hand in this decision, I applaud...

(note: I am not being sarcastic, in case anyone is reading it that way).

I was in San Francisco recently, and really enjoyed listening to KCBS. They've consistently been one of Northern California's most important stations for decades, and the way they conduct themselves in the all-news format is spot on. I wonder if the KOMO consultants ever eavesdrop on them, or on WCBS New York or WTOP Washington? And, if so, if they are hearing things that they might try to emulate from those very-successful all-news outlets?

-- GL

I don't see any reason why not. 1010 WINS is one hell of a news station. So is CKWX, KCBS, KYW and KNX - WINS and the last three owned by CBS ironically.

But some of the most exciting and innovative radio I've heard in general these days comes from outside the USA. I mentioned 4BH, Brisbane Australia as a great example of what KIXI COULD be and Triple J as an example for KNDD. It's sad to watch most American commercial radio get stuck in the mud like this when there's better ideas still circulating elsewhere. But somehow, nobody wants to take a leap of faith.....
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
I've been noticing the weather updates following the traffic reports now on KOMO. Thanks. I appreciate hearing them together now.

And GooRoo, if your consulting for KOMO includes programming content and you had a hand in this decision, I applaud...

(note: I am not being sarcastic, in case anyone is reading it that way).

I was in San Francisco recently, and really enjoyed listening to KCBS. They've consistently been one of Northern California's most important stations for decades, and the way they conduct themselves in the all-news format is spot on. I wonder if the KOMO consultants ever eavesdrop on them, or on WCBS New York or WTOP Washington? And, if so, if they are hearing things that they might try to emulate from those very-successful all-news outlets?

-- GL

Well unless the Guru is Dennis Kelly, he's not consulting KOMO.

KOMO just made Bob Throndsen PD so maybe that's where the change came from. Or else it's KOMO grabbing the last remnants of the all-news image from KIRO.

As far as "emulating" other markets Seattle's NOT NYC, DC or San Francisco. Emulating radio in those cities would be worse, not better.
 
'splain yerself there, pardner. You think Seattle's more like Boise or Salt Lake City, or, as I have suggested, Cincinnati? Or what other markets should it pay attention to? What's so different about how they execute an all-news format in New York, DC, San Francisco or LA from how you can do it in Seattle and become the station that a lot of people end up listening to five, six, seven times a day for an update -- even if they swtich to music or talk stations too?

Why, in your opinion, wouldn't an all news station that's really all news, with announcers trained as journalists and in writing broadcast-style new copy, dominate the ratings here? I suggest every station can stand to try a little harder and re-evaluate its content and presentation style from time to time, to avoid getting stale. Might be more useful instead of blaming their staff and canning people, in order to look like someone's doin' sumptin. Might even boost the value of the industry to listeners and advertisers.

I think some radio folks think their stations are better than they really are, because they lack any serious format competition in their market. Might even be true, to a degree, in Seattle.
 
I'd like to take credit, but I don't currently consult nor are involved in any of the Seattle market stations. There may be an opportunity in the future, off and on again negotiations with a group there, but for now I'm working in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Philadelphia, Boston, DC, and New York NY.
Usually I just listen when traveling through or to my home in the islands, which I'm looking forward to spending time with the family this summer.

The whole traffic and weather together idea is nothing new. Many of the Bonneville N/T stations have been doing it for a while.
 
SeattleRadioPro said:
Goldilocks94941 said:
I've been noticing the weather updates following the traffic reports now on KOMO. Thanks. I appreciate hearing them together now.

And GooRoo, if your consulting for KOMO includes programming content and you had a hand in this decision, I applaud...

(note: I am not being sarcastic, in case anyone is reading it that way).

I was in San Francisco recently, and really enjoyed listening to KCBS. They've consistently been one of Northern California's most important stations for decades, and the way they conduct themselves in the all-news format is spot on. I wonder if the KOMO consultants ever eavesdrop on them, or on WCBS New York or WTOP Washington? And, if so, if they are hearing things that they might try to emulate from those very-successful all-news outlets?

-- GL

Well unless the Guru is Dennis Kelly, he's not consulting KOMO.

KOMO just made Bob Throndsen PD so maybe that's where the change came from. Or else it's KOMO grabbing the last remnants of the all-news image from KIRO.

As far as "emulating" other markets Seattle's NOT NYC, DC or San Francisco. Emulating radio in those cities would be worse, not better.

Not sure I get your point here. Seattle CAN emulate NY, DC and SF, because it is a major market. True, Seattle has its own style and pace, but the radio basics of big market news/talk can and will work in Seattle. In fact, I would offer that more of a big city style would probably serve Seattle well.
 
searadiofreak said:
Seattle CAN emulate NY, DC and SF, because it is a major market. True, Seattle has its own style and pace, but the radio basics of big market news/talk can and will work in Seattle. In fact, I would offer that more of a big city style would probably serve Seattle well.

Let me explain: If you listen to all-news (let me repeat that, ALL-NEWS) stations in NYC, DC, SF and other major markets you won't hear nearly as many puff pieces like what airs on KOMO from 9-to-noon, shows like The Commentators or the emphasis on consumer news in PM drive.

Now, understand that I think these things are GOOD for KOMO - its what makes people tune in to the station outside of AM drive. But if KOMO went to mostly all hard news, exposes and investigative reporting 24/7 (like NYC, DC and SF) Seattle would tire of it VERY quickly and the ratings would suffer.
 
Every station has to find its own hardnews/puffynews balance. WBBM in Chicago is very hard. KNX and WCBS, slightly less so.
WTOP in DC, ironically, has more puffy stuff than any all-newser in the country.
As a listener I sometimes get a little frustrated with the lack of depth.
But I'm very much in the minority as WTOP just came in as the #2 billing station in the country. And, as evidenced during the winter storms, WTOP is ready to toss the format at a moment's notice and climb all over a big story.

Bottom line: you do what works in your market.
 
KOMO has me completely hooked. I thought that it was designed as a station where you would just tune in for a few minutes and tune out once the inevitable repeated stories start happening. I haven't analyzed exactly how they do it but they have a formula that makes me stay tuned in for sometimes hours at a time, all dayparts.

I really enjoy The Commentators. I wish that type of balance were emulated by other stations and dayparts. I learn WAY more with that approach than just hearing a one-sided opinion, whether I agree with that opinion or not.

And yes, I'm glad they're now doing the traffic and weather together thing.
 
It's a logical step to place Traffic and Weather next to each other, but KOMO better be VERY careful how they name this. KIRO has registered the "Traffic and Weather Together" slogan, and it's actionable if KOMO gets too close to calling it this. They can play the weather anywhere they want, but better watch the phrasing.
 
Unless KIRO has a trademark on the phrase, (which I doubt), there is little danger in KOMO using it.More likely, KIRO has a "service mark", which is more vague, and tougher to enforce. And even if they did, the phrase has become such "public domain", I seriously doubt anyone could claim proprietary rights to such a general common phrase. Although, I'm sure it could be argued.
 
searadiofreak said:
Unless KIRO has a trademark on the phrase, (which I doubt), there is no danger of KOMO using it. And even if they did, the phrase has become such "public domain", I seriously doubt anyone could claim proprietary rights.

If every news/talk station in America (and Fountains of Wayne) are using it, I seriously doubt it is copyrighted......
 
The latest turn in this thread is yet another reason why everyone who works in radio ought to do a little DX-ing or listen to radio in other cities when they go out of town. (I guess now it would be mostly to look for webstreams to monitor.) Then they wouldn't think that the only station to talk about "Traffic and weather together" or to call itself "Fresh" is just in their market. Or that the way their station does things is the only way to run any particular format.
Or that such minor phrases are worth filing a lawsuit over.

I've gotten a lot of inspiration from the days you could get clear signals from other major markets at night. They had local talk show hosts, DJs, newscasters, etc. Even at midnight.

Seems like the decline in AM radio doesn't leave much that's really worth trying to tune in anymore thru all the extra noise all of those 300 watt signals having added to the nighttime spectrum. All the more reason I recommend an "Activist" FCC establish a satellite radio band, and allow a mix of free and subscription nationally-distributed stations for a lot of the stuff that's just repeated from market to market. Let the "marketplace" decide how many local outlets will be able to continue when they have to do whatever they do better than the satellite stations. Or be different enough to be tought of as "better" by their audience. But the "marketplace" can't set up a new band of spectrum without FCC-mandated technical standards in place first. New thread, anyone?
 
Now why would you think I wouldn't know about that??

My point precisely is that making satellite radio strictly a proprietary technology for one company (or what were two) is likely to limit its potential growth. I hear how some think there's not much more growth anticipated for SM/Sirius subscribers. Don't think you can blame that all on the technology itself, when there's only one company in charge.

If satellite-delivered radio were treated like when FM eventually rolled out, for example, it might just be the approach that will help to sustain Sirius-XM by, strangely enough to some short sighted types, adding room for competitors to use that spectrum, too. And to tempt more of the public to use the technology when there's more than one way to tap into it.

For instance, I'd like to hear some good nationally distruguted classical programming, and find the two channels Sirius XM offers to be OK, but not enough. Might get me to buy a satellite radio receiver, and then Sirius-XM and everybody else can advertise to get me to subscribe to their services, too - since I'd already have the technology to get it. I'd just need to have the scrambled signals descrambled by my subscription.

Expanding use of the Satellite radio spectrum could provide a new model, particularly for the larger corporate broadcasters. More efficient, single studio. Or change the rules and allow local drop ins for ads, PSAs, and local info inserts.

I'm not suggesting it completely replaces FM and AM, or local radio. Nor should it ever. Instead, it gets away from the "randomness" of the current system that doesn't seem to be serving the interests of many -- listeners or the industry. Those formats and stations that benefit most from going "satellite" can go there. Others broadcast on FM or AM. There will probably be some terrestrial openings when broadcasters take a format "satellite only." (Regulation would prohibit an operator from monopolizing both.) Then, for example, those national religious chains that found a backdoor excuse to create national networks of Class D FMs get a place to be national, and the FM spectrum gets a little less crowded, as well as others getting a crack at some of those frequencies. And the formats that just get repeated verbatim in multiple markets get a more efficient way of distribution.

But it takes regulation, my boys, to pull it off, and to try to provide something for everyone's benefit. It would probably also mean restoring tighter limits on local FM and AM licenses per corporate licensee, since they'd have a shot at satellite.

The FM dial is getting hard to listen to, especially in hilly areas, suburbs, and populated areas where new signals are jumping all over each other and cutting off significant "fringe" coverage. Kind of a waste of 50 or 100kw transmitters to not get out much further than a class A before the interference happens. (I know that's not usually the case in Seattle, but it is how it's getting where markets are closer to each other, especially on the East Coast and Midwest.)

I'm suggesting looking at a way to include satellite radio as part of the broadcast mix to help the radio industry find more efficient ways to use the spectrum and not just jam up the dials till everybody only gets a 30 miles radius anymore, which seems to be what the end result of "HD" radio would be.

Can you corporate cats see a way "going satellite" would pay off for you? Enough to accept some limits on how many local frequencies you could control in return?
 
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