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Train wrecks

JeffM said:
James Brown was "I Feel Good," Cher was an album track, title I don't know, Ted Nugent...who cares? All his stuff sounds the same.
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This reveals how little you actually know about music.
 
JeffM said:
Well, pardon me all to hell for not discerning the differences between "Wang, Dang, Sweet Poon Tang" and "Wango Tango"...
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Well, if all you are aware of in Ted Nugent's entire catalog of songs are those two songs, you just proved my point.
 
AC is a format that does well in the money demos and in the older demos. Advertisers may figure they don't need to buy oldies or standards because they can get seniors when they buy AC.
And, by the same token, standards stations may figure they can get money demo listeners and lower the average age of their audience with creeping AC (and still calling it standards).
People who want standards will tolerate AC. If the market has not standards stations, often seniors who would prefer standards will just go ahead listen to AC - the least objectionable music format.
 
FredLeonard said:
AC is a format that does well in the money demos and in the older demos. Advertisers may figure they don't need to buy oldies or standards because they can get seniors when they buy AC.
And, by the same token, standards stations may figure they can get money demo listeners and lower the average age of their audience with creeping AC (and still calling it standards).
People who want standards will tolerate AC. If the market has not standards stations, often seniors who would prefer standards will just go ahead listen to AC - the least objectionable music format.
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Part of the problem is that the difference between "Standards" and "Adult Contemporary" is an arcane mystery only understood by radio professionals. To people out there in radioland looking to find music that they like, those two types of music are pretty much interchangeable. Regular, ordinary music fans not only can't tell the difference between a standard or an adult contemporary song, they don't know that there's a difference, and they don't care that there's a difference. A nice sounding popular song is a nice sounding popular song. No one really cares when it was recorded, or who it was recorded by. They care that it doesn't sound harsh and heavy, like rock. They care that the tunes have a nice hook. They care that the vocals on on-pitch. And that's about it. What they want is what they call, "The good stuff".
 
Avid Listener said:
Part of the problem is that the difference between "Standards" and "Adult Contemporary" is an arcane mystery only understood by radio professionals. To people out there in radioland looking to find music that they like, those two types of music are pretty much interchangeable. Regular, ordinary music fans not only can't tell the difference between a standard or an adult contemporary song, they don't know that there's a difference, and they don't care that there's a difference. A nice sounding popular song is a nice sounding popular song. No one really cares when it was recorded, or who it was recorded by. They care that it doesn't sound harsh and heavy, like rock. They care that the tunes have a nice hook. They care that the vocals on on-pitch. And that's about it. What they want is what they call, "The good stuff".
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Wrong! If people of a certain age remember it, it's a standard. If they know the words, it's a standard. If they know the artist, it's a standard. At one time, the standards format was sometimes called "nostalgia." AC has no appeal to nostalgia. That's the difference.
 
FredLeonard said:
Wrong! If people of a certain age remember it, it's a standard. If they know the words, it's a standard. If they know the artist, it's a standard. At one time, the standards format was sometimes called "nostalgia." AC has no appeal to nostalgia. That's the difference.
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That's an excellent example of the kind of arcane mystery only understood by radio professionals that I was talking about.

It's also inconsistent with the definition of "standards" as understood by musicians.
 
FredLeonard said:
AC is a format that does well in the money demos and in the older demos. Advertisers may figure they don't need to buy oldies or standards because they can get seniors when they buy AC.
And, by the same token, standards stations may figure they can get money demo listeners and lower the average age of their audience with creeping AC (and still calling it standards).
People who want standards will tolerate AC. If the market has not standards stations, often seniors who would prefer standards will just go ahead listen to AC - the least objectionable music format.
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Not me and not the mess that is called AC today.
 
"Autumn Leaves" by Roger Williams followed by "New" by Paul McCartney.

"The Days of Wine and Roses" by Henry Mancini followed by "Chasing Pirates" from Norah Jones.

Where is Vin Diesel when you need him?
 
Avid Listener said:
Part of the problem is that the difference between "Standards" and "Adult Contemporary" is an arcane mystery only understood by radio professionals. To people out there in radioland looking to find music that they like, those two types of music are pretty much interchangeable. Regular, ordinary music fans not only can't tell the difference between a standard or an adult contemporary song, they don't know that there's a difference, and they don't care that there's a difference. A nice sounding popular song is a nice sounding popular song. No one really cares when it was recorded, or who it was recorded by. They care that it doesn't sound harsh and heavy, like rock. They care that the tunes have a nice hook. They care that the vocals on on-pitch. And that's about it. What they want is what they call, "The good stuff".
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When I was growing up, "Standards" = Frank Sinatra and "AC" = Celine Dion.
 
Music Lover said:
When I was growing up, "Standards" = Frank Sinatra and "AC" = Celine Dion.
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"Standards" seems like both music from a certain time period (late 40's to early 60's generally) AND genre (vocals backed by orchestras or bands). Also seems like there might be a huge overlap in both time and genre. Maybe it should be renamed "Classic Adult Contemporary".
 
landtuna said:


"Standards" seems like both music from a certain time period (late 40's to early 60's generally) AND genre (vocals backed by orchestras or bands). Also seems like there might be a huge overlap in both time and genre. Maybe it should be renamed "Classic Adult Contemporary".
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I've always considered it as being a type of "Easy Listening".
 
The term "Easy Listening" maybe carries a certain stigma, an association with "elevator music." Even when I was a kid in the 70's there was a difference between the "granny station", usually a full-service AM that played Johnny Mathis and Vikki Carr, and the FM station that played nothing but strings.
 
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