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Trashing Old PC's?

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MaxShannon

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If you are getting ready to trash your old PC or give it away, STOP! I'll take it. I'm not buying used units, just giving you a way to dispose of them. 733's and above and intact with all cards only please. (Modems, Sound, NIC card, Video, CD ROM's. RAM Sticks etc.) I'll wipe hard drive clean to reuse or you can before bringing it in. Call 724-847-0111 and ask for Mike. M-F 12N-4P EST.

I'm located in the Western PA area.

Thanks
Mike
 
Most cities now have PC and electronics recycling programs. And many non-profit organizations, churches, and private schools would be very grateful for donations of older technology PC's that are otherwise functional.

But I would NEVER, EVER donate a PC with a used hard drive in it. Even if it has been wiped, the danger of identity theft / intellectual property theft is too great. I just spend a few $ for a new hard drive and store the old ones. I am looking for a service that destroys them completely - not just "wipes" them.
 
> But I would NEVER, EVER donate a PC with a used hard drive
> in it. Even if it has been wiped, the danger of identity
> theft / intellectual property theft is too great. I just
> spend a few $ for a new hard drive and store the old ones.
> I am looking for a service that destroys them completely -
> not just "wipes" them.

I use a utility called boot-n-nuke which wipes the data according to DoD standards. It would take a tremendous amount of money and equipment to restore the data after doing that kind of wipe.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> But I would NEVER, EVER donate a PC with a used hard drive
> in it. Even if it has been wiped, the danger of identity
> theft / intellectual property theft is too great.

> I am looking for a service that destroys them completely -
> not just "wipes" them.
>
Our community had an electronics recylcling day recently. For people leery of letting go of an old hard drive they offered a novel method of destruction: They had a drill on site. Put the hard drive on a bench. Drill several holes through it.... disk platters and all!

I'm not sure James Bond in consort with the FBI would recapture much data off a drive after it has been generously drilled.
 
> > But I would NEVER, EVER donate a PC with a used hard drive
>
> > in it. Even if it has been wiped, the danger of identity
> > theft / intellectual property theft is too great.
>
> > I am looking for a service that destroys them completely -
>
> > not just "wipes" them.
> >
> Our community had an electronics recylcling day recently.
> For people leery of letting go of an old hard drive they
> offered a novel method of destruction: They had a drill on
> site. Put the hard drive on a bench. Drill several holes
> through it.... disk platters and all!
>
> I'm not sure James Bond in consort with the FBI would
> recapture much data off a drive after it has been
> generously drilled.
>
Here in the south us good old boys just get out the shotgun. Works every time,if your a decent shot.
 
> I use a utility called boot-n-nuke which wipes the data
> according to DoD standards. It would take a tremendous
> amount of money and equipment to restore the data after
> doing that kind of wipe.
>

That sounds easier than my sledge hammer method. But the old five pound hammer works pretty well.... :)
 
> > I use a utility called boot-n-nuke which wipes the data
> > according to DoD standards. It would take a tremendous
> > amount of money and equipment to restore the data after
> > doing that kind of wipe.
> >
>
> That sounds easier than my sledge hammer method. But the
> old five pound hammer works pretty well.... :)

Ever took one and dropped it out the truck window doing about 90?? Nothing brings a tear to your eye better than watching a pc explode into 10,000 or more pieces, and the hard drive won't survive it either!
<P ID="signature">______________
Zach Morton
Chief Engineer
Legend Communications
Gillette, Wyoming</P>
 
> > But I would NEVER, EVER donate a PC with a used hard drive
>
> > in it. Even if it has been wiped, the danger of identity
> > theft / intellectual property theft is too great. I just
> > spend a few $ for a new hard drive and store the old ones.
>
> > I am looking for a service that destroys them completely -
>
> > not just "wipes" them.
>
> I use a utility called boot-n-nuke which wipes the data
> according to DoD standards. It would take a tremendous
> amount of money and equipment to restore the data after
> doing that kind of wipe.
>
There is also another utility called BCWipe from Jetico that
works according to DoD standards as well. I use it and it sure
is great for getting rid of trace elements of a program no longer
in use.

Thanks for the heads up about the drives though. I just wanted
to rebuild some old units for resale for someone who can't afford
to buy new.

All The Best to You CE's
 
> Ever took one and dropped it out the truck window doing
> about 90?? Nothing brings a tear to your eye better than
> watching a pc explode into 10,000 or more pieces, and the
> hard drive won't survive it either!

The problem with that is you can still recover data from the pieces of the platter. You have to magnetically destroy the platter...and putting it on the bulk eraser isn't good enough.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
> > Ever took one and dropped it out the truck window doing
> > about 90?? Nothing brings a tear to your eye better than
> > watching a pc explode into 10,000 or more pieces, and the
> > hard drive won't survive it either!
>
> The problem with that is you can still recover data from the
> pieces of the platter. You have to magnetically destroy the
> platter...and putting it on the bulk eraser isn't good
> enough.
>
What if you just delete all programs except Windows, delete sensitive folders and files, defrag your drive, then load cool-edit or audacity and save 80 gigs of audio (or however large your hard drive is). Then delete that. Won't that get rid of everything useful to the bad guys?

---Local Star---
 
> The problem with that is you can still recover data from the
> pieces of the platter. You have to magnetically destroy the
> platter...and putting it on the bulk eraser isn't good
> enough.

The only fail-safe way to prevent the data from ever being recovered is to grind the hard drive into powder. That's what the Soviets used to do.
<P ID="signature">______________
noiboc.jpg

"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>
 
> The only fail-safe way to prevent the data from ever being
> recovered is to grind the hard drive into powder. That's
> what the Soviets used to do.

If you can recover the data from a hard drive I wipe then I will double reimburse you for the cost of the recovery...and it's not cheap.<P ID="signature">______________
</P>
 
wiping old hard drives

> If you can recover the data from a hard drive I wipe then I
> will double reimburse you for the cost of the recovery...and
> it's not cheap.

The government does have ways to recover data from a wiped hard drive. It's not fast, easy, cheap, or reliable, but it can be done.

Wiping the drive a single time with a stream of binary zeroes or ones would have the highest chance of recovering the prior data, because although faint, the previous magnetic traces of the data are still there (akin to how if you record silence over a previously recorded audio cassette and then play it back, you can sometimes still hear traces of the previous recording in the background). Wiping the drive multiple times with a random stream of data would make recovery of the original data increasingly more difficult and less accurate.

Or, you can "wipe" the hard drive the old-fashioned way: open it up, turn it on (you might be amazed that many hard drives will still work fine with the cover completely removed, with the heads reading & writing data as normal, at least until enough dust builds up to impede their operation), and then apply sandpaper to the disc platter as it's spinning. I actually did the opposite once with an old Seagate full-height 5-1/4" hard drive: I removed its read/write heads, glued a round disc of sandpaper to its top platter, and then used it as a rotary sander. Its motor had quite a lot of torque!
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noiboc.jpg

"This is the New York Emergency Broadcast System satellite channel. They took the crosstown bus."</P>
 
Re: wiping old hard drives

The reason why just writing data to the disk doesn't wipe anything is because each time it writes, it's slightly offset. That amazingly tiny offset is the key to data recovery. A low level format will realign where it writes the data to the disk to assist with the randomization write.<P ID="signature">______________
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