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Trend One: Does Anyone Care

With the economy so poor right now in radio and looking at the huge drop in the Seattle October MK I am not so sure the ratings matter right now. Good or bad it is tough with the Seattle market down almost 15% last month. At the agency level the buys are just not there for fourth and first quarter like they were last year. Clients know this, set their price and buy around those that won't pay. Not good for radio. This trend was very strong for KISW, KCMS and KMPS in the prime demos. KIRO AM and FM had very nice growth as did KOMO, KTTH and KVI. I am guessing the election is helping out. Not really much to report with some up a bit and some down. No real surprises.

It is tough for radio sales people out there. I know this is a programming board, but it isn't about ratings right now, it is about the economy. You have to wonder if top stations will hold rate or will cave in to pressure. I am seeing stations cave across the country and now in Seattle some of the top stations are cutting rate. This is the only trend that really matters.
 
There will be more rate and expense cuts at Seattle stations in the upcoming three weeks. It's unfortunate that more good folks will be on the beach, and there will be fire-sales on rates. The only autos that are moving right now are used ones, but watch for dealers to start closing their doors.

Whomever you choose to blame, the economy is crash-diving nationwide. These are interesting times.
 
I especially enjoy seeing the fall of KUBE. Let's just say I have my reasons.
 
FMSteve said:
I especially enjoy seeing the fall of KUBE. Let's just say I have my reasons.

Wow - wishing bad things on people - I really feel sorry for you, Steve.
 
Trend One: Does Anyone Care?

No.

But I agree with Steve. Hip-hop is dying around the nation. Lack of innovation, dime a dozen clones of other dime a dozen clone rappers and the association with crime has been ruining it since the '90s. A sad end to what was once innovative and exciting good time party music when it first came out.....
 
Seattleradiopro - yeah, like you've never taken a little glee in seeing a station that's treated you less than kindly stumble a bit.

Puh-leeeze.

I like the Buddhist philosophy of do no things to harm others. Real life is a different story. It's just radio and ratings. He wasn't wishing diseases or pestilence on anyone.
 
WKomm said:
Seattleradiopro - yeah, like you've never taken a little glee in seeing a station that's treated you less than kindly stumble a bit.

Puh-leeeze.

I like the Buddhist philosophy of do no things to harm others. Real life is a different story. It's just radio and ratings. He wasn't wishing diseases or pestilence on anyone.

In this biz, diseases and pestilence are the LEAST people wish on each other.

Gotta go.....here come the locusts again....
 
WKomm said:
Seattleradiopro - yeah, like you've never taken a little glee in seeing a station that's treated you less than kindly stumble a bit.

Puh-leeeze.

I like the Buddhist philosophy of do no things to harm others. Real life is a different story. It's just radio and ratings. He wasn't wishing diseases or pestilence on anyone.

Whether I do or don't isn't the question - it's making your feelings public that's the point. Not a smart idea IMO.

Besides, karma doesn't distinguish between diseases and wishing bad fortune on a radio station.
 
Imagine some cowboy on this board wishing ill will about another. Shocking :p
this trend is worthless in this economy but is also worthless cuase the election is biasing number in favor of t alk stations like KIRO-FM, KTTH and KPTK which jumped to the top in 25-54 numbers. It ain't real. Guess we will jsut have to wait til the election is over and that PPM is here and the economy picks up. :mad: Good news is that all happens at the same time in the summer ;D Til then hold on to your bootstraps cowboys :p
 
TakeItFromMe said:
Imagine some cowboy on this board wishing ill will about another. Shocking :p
this trend is worthless in this economy but is also worthless cuase the election is biasing number in favor of t alk stations like KIRO-FM, KTTH and KPTK which jumped to the top in 25-54 numbers. It ain't real. Guess we will jsut have to wait til the election is over and that PPM is here and the economy picks up. :mad: Good news is that all happens at the same time in the summer ;D Til then hold on to your bootstraps cowboys :p

TakeItFromMe? I don't know how to say this, but I will be blunt.

The election already happened; Obama won. But don't feel bad. There are many remote places in the deepest Himalayas that are just finding this out too.

The PPM (Personal Peter Meter or whatever it is) is worthless because NOT EVERYBODY HAS THEM. You only know the tastes of a small bunch of carefully screened and selected people. That's NOT getting the whole picture. Not by a long shot. There is one station in Seattle that I have randomly heard the most just about everywhere and that's KZOK. And not just the head shops either. Out of most people's car stereos, in some record stores, a few restaurants, mall shops, convenience stores, a Safeway or two, the delivery guy for Adams, a video store......

Maybe it's because grunge is now classic rock, I don't know. While KMPS has country secure wherever you can find it out in suburbia and farm towns- only heard The Wolf TWICE out of zillions of possible places, KZOK has Seattle proper and practically everybody else in the 'burbs covered from South Everett to Tacoma.

If these things reflected REALITY, I'd say KZOK would be #1 12+. And NOT because I like KZOK, I actually listen to other stations instead (I get bored with any kind of classic rock station after a while and want to hear something new.) It's just that I hear KZOK almost every place there's a radio playing in Seattle. And in the places and listener cars that don't play KZOK in Seattle, I usually hear KEXP, KRWM or KWJZ.

Not KKWF, not KQMV (sorry Mamma), JACK or some other syndicated "brand" station, just the popular LOCAL standbys with their own identities.

They once thought Young Country would be the death of KMPS. KMPS not only ate them eventually, but asked for a toothpick-MINTY toothpick, afterwards.

KKWF is going to have to be around here a LONG time without much luck to REALLY take on KMPS. Problem is, what does KKWF, with it's syndicated and commonplace anywhere "Wolf" logo, KQMV with "MOViN" logo and the JACK brand all have in common? They look like FAD designer brands. Here today, gone tomorrow. And listeners tend to react the same way. KJAQ's current ratings seem to prove that. But the station is just an MP3 player on shuffle and it did OK, not enough to make a major dent anywhere like it did in Vancouver. JACK will be in Vancouver LONG after Seattle's JACK gives up the ghost.

JACK's value has been fading fast and I predict another new format on 96.5 next year. And similar fates for KQMV and KKWF within five years.

The new stations that come original have a better shot at longevity in this market. The most popular stations here are the ones who have been here a long time. They didn't get that way by being made by a cookie cutter (just add frequency.) And even Arbitron, as flawed as they are, they themselves even have that much right. The national "brand stations" are far down the list, while our local legends remain on top.
So take it all you will, TakeItFromMe. It's the truth......
 
Bongwater said:
The PPM (Personal Peter Meter or whatever it is) is worthless because NOT EVERYBODY HAS THEM. You only know the tastes of a small bunch of carefully screened and selected people. That's NOT getting the whole picture. Not by a long shot. There is one station in Seattle that I have randomly heard the most just about everywhere and that's KZOK. And not just the head shops either. Out of most people's car stereos, in some record stores, a few restaurants, mall shops, convenience stores, a Safeway or two, the delivery guy for Adams, a video store......

Let me get this straight, you declare PPM worthless because it's not a proper representation of the populous, yet your singular observations about KZOK should be treated as the gospel?

Makes perfect sense. ::)
 
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