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Tropo started last night

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kenglish

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Noticed some very faint tropo (just detectable sync bars) on TV Channel 6 last night, around 6 to 7 PM local time, coming from the southwest.
Tuning around, I saw video on Channel 3, and then got video and audio on channel 2, with a "Noticias" banner on the screen.
Nothing sustained, just a few seconds at a time.

I'm just south of Salt Lake City, with a VHF-only LPDA, no preamp.
 
Just to be literal about it, that was almost certainly sporadic-E skip.

Of course, these signals were almost certainly from Mexico. (there's no full-power analog left in the U.S.; I count 13 low-powered analog stations left in Utah, but they all relay Salt Lake network affiliates (usually KUTV) in English.)

Due to terrain and the dry climate, tropo is fairly rare in the interior West. I would be VERY VERY surprised to hear of tropo from Salt Lake City to any point outside Utah, with the possible exception of southern Idaho.

A few rules of thumb to tell the difference:

Tropo:
- Can affect any channel (including FM radio). Often better at UHF than at VHF.
- No minimum distance. Tropo can strengthen semi-local (~30mi.) signals.
- Maximum distance usually on the order of 300 miles. Long-haul openings do happen but are quite rare.
(exception: over warm water, longer paths are possible. New Orleans<=>Tampa, etc.)
- More likely in the warm season, and with stable weather.

E-skip:
- DOES NOT HAPPEN on UHF.
- EXTREMELY rare on channels 7-13.
- ALWAYS starts at channel 2* and, in more intense openings, moves up through 3, 4, 5, 6, and into FM.
* there may however be no channel 2 station in the area the opening is reaching..
- Has a MINIMUM distance on the order of 500 miles. Rare shorter openings but nothing less than 300 miles. If you're receiving DX from 150 miles or so, it's NOT E-skip.
- Maximum distance on the order of 1,400 miles.
- Typical distance on the order of 1,000 miles.
If you have 1,000-mile +/- DX, it is almost CERTAINLY E-skip.
- More likely from mid-May through early July. Not really tied to weather, at least not at the endpoints.
 
I've gotten tropo here in northern VA early Sunday morning around 2 AM. With the Tecsun 390 I heard WZXL 100.7 from Atlantic City, NJ, K-Love 92.1, WTDK 107.1, both east of the Chesapeake Bay, 97.3 from Vineland, NJ and WNNT 107.5 Tappahannoc/Warsaw area, VA which was heard above the IBOCs from both locals 107.3 and 107.7.
 
From NE NC. Last Friday around noon EDT French with Caribbean accent 87.7 car radio. Probably channel 6 tv audio e-skip. Modulation was not very loud. Heard off and on for about 30 minutes. No ID. No music just a man's voice. Might have been religious. Do not understand French.
 
N4GBK said:
From NE NC. Last Friday around noon EDT French with Caribbean accent 87.7 car radio. Probably channel 6 tv audio e-skip. Modulation was not very loud. Heard off and on for about 30 minutes. No ID. No music just a man's voice. Might have been religious. Do not understand French.

Sounds like TV audio if the modulation was quieter. There are plenty of French stations still on in Canada, but if you noticed a Caribbean accent and the fact that ES is still heavier in towards the south, then it was probably from that area.
 
kenglish said:
Noticed some very faint tropo (just detectable sync bars) on TV Channel 6 last night, around 6 to 7 PM local time, coming from the southwest.
Tuning around, I saw video on Channel 3, and then got video and audio on channel 2, with a "Noticias" banner on the screen.
Nothing sustained, just a few seconds at a time.

I'm just south of Salt Lake City, with a VHF-only LPDA, no preamp.


That sounds like E Skip for sure, especially because the signal was not steady.
 
ddsparxx said:
I've gotten tropo here in northern VA early Sunday morning around 2 AM. With the Tecsun 390 I heard WZXL 100.7 from Atlantic City, NJ, K-Love 92.1, WTDK 107.1, both east of the Chesapeake Bay, 97.3 from Vineland, NJ and WNNT 107.5 Tappahannoc/Warsaw area, VA which was heard above the IBOCs from both locals 107.3 and 107.7.

How about 103.3 WESR from Onancock, VA? Being in the middle of VA they, and a few others from Hampton Roads start to come in at the same time.

I haven't really gotten any tropo yet this spring/early summer, but that is my gauge. If I can hear them I can be sure there is an opening. They were a regular visitor back before Christmas of last year.
 
w9wi....
I'm glad you posted that, and I wish you'd out it in a Wikipedia article.
I've often wondered how to really tell what the differences are.
I've often used the generic term "Tropo" to describe both ducting and sporadic-E.

Sounds like what I was getting really was sporadic-E...definitely "sporadic"-something. Most were only a few seconds long. I first wondered if it was meteor-scatter, but there seemed to be no "tapering off" of the signal, and they seemed a bit too numerous to be random meteorites.

We do get some real tropo (or something) here at times, and they seem to be mostly low-VHF. I've gotten one, two, and even three Mexican stations on a channel, fighting each other for as much as five or six hours at a time. I didn't see much last summer, but got a lot of it in 2009 (after our low-band analogs left) and in 2010.

People think I'm crazy for "watching snow" on my TV, but they said the same about "listening to static" on shortwave ;D .
Still fun, though.
 
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