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Trouble at New Jersey 101.5
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Earlier tonight the story got national coverage on the PBS Newshour
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/i...ral-reacts-to-hateful-ridicule-by-radio-hosts
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/show/i...ral-reacts-to-hateful-ridicule-by-radio-hosts
I have to agree the glasses and a religious garment are not comparable, and the idea they could plan a segment and not have his name readily available is preposterous. Taken in context over time, this was another bigoted “joke” that finally went too far.
The shame is the banishment wasn’t permanent.
The shame is the banishment wasn’t permanent.
Anything that puts pressure on those key accounts to cancel is game and it is always best to have taken action before they make the call. I truly believe there is honor in sticking by your talent who has given so much to the brand and company but in 2018 with social media boycotts that make advertisers sweat taking off in under an hour....
I personally believe that our current hypersensitivity is making a mockery of true hate crimes, racism, and xenophobia, but the client is always right.
funny how things have changed on the politically correct agenda. When I was growing up, maybe even happens now, on occasion and by no means is this meant to offend anyone, every on air host, on music, sports or talk stations would always make fun and ridicule European and I stress European ethnics. How many times have I heard, Jews-big noses, Italians-mob/mafia, Irish-drunks, Polish-block heads, Germans-Nazis, Nuns look like penguins, this was all said and taken in playful jest, no one flipped out and started a riot. The listeners took it as a joke and had a good laugh. Nowadays you cannot say anything, without the liberals placing it under a microscope to find some obscure fault to whine about, unless your Oprah and definitely not Rosanne.
I wouldn't necessarily blame it on "liberals." Don't make jokes about issues conservatives care about, or they'll ban you just as quickly. Ask Bill Maher how many times he's been on the chopping block.
Rose colored glasses can taint views of history.
It really doesn’t matter that it was acceptable to make such jokes. The people who may have felt offended or marginalized lacked some of the resources now available to voice their side. The idea that “everyone had a good laugh” is suspect at best.
There’s nothing that needs to be under a microscope in this case. They blatantly mocked the religious attire of someone. It’s uncalled for and should be called out as such.
It really doesn’t matter that it was acceptable to make such jokes. The people who may have felt offended or marginalized lacked some of the resources now available to voice their side. The idea that “everyone had a good laugh” is suspect at best.
There’s nothing that needs to be under a microscope in this case. They blatantly mocked the religious attire of someone. It’s uncalled for and should be called out as such.
I considered the departed Gene Klavan of WNEW 1130 to be the funniest human being, radio or TV, I ever saw or heard talk into a microphone.
Klavan's morning show (reportedly accountable for 1/3rd of the station's revenue) featured voices from visitors such as:
A Spanish guitar player and singer
A gay program director
A wearied middle-aged Jewish man whose station duties were never really explained
A nazi chief engineer
A burned-out hippie musician
A super-pushy salesman
A hideously-voiced woman from Westchester
A wet-behind-the-ears / Radar O'Reilly-type traffic reporter
A salesman who used to be an agent for huge acts like Sophie Tucker . ....
An 'Italian' producer for the show (the only voice not Klavan's)
Klavan, of course, did all those other voices -- often interrupting himself in mid-sentence, seamlessly.
He never worked blue. And except for his own religion never worked religious humor to any extent, either. Many of his punch lines before a commercial -- usually an agency spot -- ranked on himself and his 'ineptitude'. Klavan was just plain SILLY.
And this is back when a DJ at any station had to talk just about after every record.
Klavan distributed quite a melting-pot of New York City society. And I reiterate : there was no crudeness to it. Just buffoonery. The next time I hear of him ever being censured will be the first time.
Times indeed have changed. All In The Family could get ethnic, and so could the far earlier Jack Benny show. But the protagonists in those and other shows got their comeuppance each time.
Many post Y2K stations hire drive-time people to push the envelope. But to me, with all the modern communications devices, a lot of that shoving better be pushed back at oneself -- or you get into trouble.
Klavan's morning show (reportedly accountable for 1/3rd of the station's revenue) featured voices from visitors such as:
A Spanish guitar player and singer
A gay program director
A wearied middle-aged Jewish man whose station duties were never really explained
A nazi chief engineer
A burned-out hippie musician
A super-pushy salesman
A hideously-voiced woman from Westchester
A wet-behind-the-ears / Radar O'Reilly-type traffic reporter
A salesman who used to be an agent for huge acts like Sophie Tucker . ....
An 'Italian' producer for the show (the only voice not Klavan's)
Klavan, of course, did all those other voices -- often interrupting himself in mid-sentence, seamlessly.
He never worked blue. And except for his own religion never worked religious humor to any extent, either. Many of his punch lines before a commercial -- usually an agency spot -- ranked on himself and his 'ineptitude'. Klavan was just plain SILLY.
And this is back when a DJ at any station had to talk just about after every record.
Klavan distributed quite a melting-pot of New York City society. And I reiterate : there was no crudeness to it. Just buffoonery. The next time I hear of him ever being censured will be the first time.
Times indeed have changed. All In The Family could get ethnic, and so could the far earlier Jack Benny show. But the protagonists in those and other shows got their comeuppance each time.
Many post Y2K stations hire drive-time people to push the envelope. But to me, with all the modern communications devices, a lot of that shoving better be pushed back at oneself -- or you get into trouble.
The story continues:
http://www.insideradio.com/free/new...cle_44f8014a-916a-11e8-a2ae-0fed0487dcfc.html
Considering the whole thing...Steven Colbert gets away with calling Trump and idiot and a maniac and makes references to his wife wanting to sneak out of the White House. He also insults Trump's son Eric and says his father has no interest in him. Everyone in the public eye is a verbal target.
Those who do that kind of comedy will go what some call "over the line." It's just a condition of what they do. I'm willing to bet that if the Governor hadn't involved himself no one would have heard a thing about Dennis and Judi's remarks. The whole PC thing has gotten way,way out of hand.
It all comes down to one of the oldest unwritten rules of radio and TV...don't like what you see or hear...then stop making yourself miserable and turn it off.
http://www.insideradio.com/free/new...cle_44f8014a-916a-11e8-a2ae-0fed0487dcfc.html
Considering the whole thing...Steven Colbert gets away with calling Trump and idiot and a maniac and makes references to his wife wanting to sneak out of the White House. He also insults Trump's son Eric and says his father has no interest in him. Everyone in the public eye is a verbal target.
Those who do that kind of comedy will go what some call "over the line." It's just a condition of what they do. I'm willing to bet that if the Governor hadn't involved himself no one would have heard a thing about Dennis and Judi's remarks. The whole PC thing has gotten way,way out of hand.
It all comes down to one of the oldest unwritten rules of radio and TV...don't like what you see or hear...then stop making yourself miserable and turn it off.
These two radio folks are not comedians, and the context of their comments wasn't comedy. It was just plain mean.
Don't forget how Kathy Griffin's career ended.
Dennis Malloy was once quite funny and managed to do so without vitriol. Now he comes across as a cranky old codger, who can add intolerant jerk to his resume.
The state attorney general may be by definition a public role, and as such absolutely open to fair criticism of his policies and decisions. But in this case, he is not an attention or publicity seeker. There was absolutely no justification for such a contemptible mocking of his religion.
I first heard about it from a post on Dr. Sniffen's NYRMB yesterday. This morning it was in the "A" section of the Hartford Courant Newspaper.
If you don't know who's gonna be offended, don't say anything.
One of my friends is Italian and has the same last name as one of the big Mafia Crime families. The first time I went over his house he showed me this hidden room in the downstairs of his house. He joked that the room is where his father held Mafia Meetings. He then joked that his father looked more like a biker than a Mafia hit man.
Another Italian friend of mine also used to joke about the mafia/mob. His Mom owned a floral/gift shop. He used to joke that his father was the hitman in the mob and then his mom would sell flowers to the family for the funeral.
Another friend of mine is part Polish. He doesn't mind if someone calls him the derogatory word people use to describe Polish people, which I will not post here, but will say Archie Bunker called Gloria's husband that word on All in the Family and I don't mean "Meat Head." My friend once even told me the he was a dumb P-word. He was also one of my supervisors. I was probably the only person in the world that could get away with calling his supervisor a dumb P-word and not get fired for it. LOL.
If you don't know who's gonna be offended, don't say anything.
One of my friends is Italian and has the same last name as one of the big Mafia Crime families. The first time I went over his house he showed me this hidden room in the downstairs of his house. He joked that the room is where his father held Mafia Meetings. He then joked that his father looked more like a biker than a Mafia hit man.
Another Italian friend of mine also used to joke about the mafia/mob. His Mom owned a floral/gift shop. He used to joke that his father was the hitman in the mob and then his mom would sell flowers to the family for the funeral.
Another friend of mine is part Polish. He doesn't mind if someone calls him the derogatory word people use to describe Polish people, which I will not post here, but will say Archie Bunker called Gloria's husband that word on All in the Family and I don't mean "Meat Head." My friend once even told me the he was a dumb P-word. He was also one of my supervisors. I was probably the only person in the world that could get away with calling his supervisor a dumb P-word and not get fired for it. LOL.
Anyone who thinks NJ 101.5 was out of line, should listen to WURD a few hours, they make WKXW sound like the Disney channel, why the FCC, Wolf and Kenny(hiccup) didn''t step in is, well we all know why...but across the river, Mister Sanctuary State Murphy, who is so out of touch with any real problems the garden state has, must get involved, wasting tax payer dollars on this speck of uselessness.
This isn’t about WURD. When they insult someone’s religion in a comparable way, then maybe there will be interesting parallels. Even then, the stations are not apples to apples.
@ Cyber : I gotta agree with your bottom line up to a certain point. A good pal of mine, a DJ veteran and quite the maverick, once told me that if *he* heard something off the radio that he found offensive, then it officially was offensive. I concur. He tended not to tune in anymore to whomever .....
I've been active in three chat rooms of a few internet Oldies stations for years. Whatever I have to contribute is comprised largely of puns, malaprops and silliness (and often a question or two about the music). Through all of that, I've only been called out ONCE in general chat. The topic had gotten around to snow and closings, and I mentioned that ON THE AIR I'd throw in a note about 'Orthodox worship at Our Lady of The Evening has been moved indoors .... '
BAM! I got back a sharp rebuke from one chatter, a real nice fellow by the way, and apparently a devout Catholic.
I apologized in chat for offending anyone. Left unresolved and dismissed was that
a) I mentioned I would say things like that ON THE AIR, in Philadelphia, with no backlash and
b) That I'm Catholic myself. 'So what's the problem here?'
Apparently, though, even self-deprecating humor can strike some people the wrong way .....
More ethnic silliness that *did* go over well was recently. Some family from India renovated a long-derelict Uni-Mart convenience store in town. It's now quite the popular place, with two other mini-marts in close proximity. These folks know what they're doing .... gasoline, ice, lottery, newspapers, a hot food bar, smokes, gum, snacks, milk, soda -- the whole 27 feet.
I told the one shift runner that, since the wife and I don't know the official name, we refer to the place as the New Delhi. His eyes got wide, and then he passed the comment along to his co-workers, who got a good laugh. There was nothing mean-spirited intended, and no offense taken .....
@ Abraham : I too thought that Malloy had a terrific sense of humor. That was when he and his wife (?) would do bits on Don Cannon's WSNI morning show. But yeah; there's a fine line between innocent (and even sharp) humor and nasty humor. You'd figure that with today's communications possibly going all over the globe in a matter of seconds, modern radio pros would be aware of that dividing line.
Suspension, yes. Firing, no. Just my opinion.
I've been active in three chat rooms of a few internet Oldies stations for years. Whatever I have to contribute is comprised largely of puns, malaprops and silliness (and often a question or two about the music). Through all of that, I've only been called out ONCE in general chat. The topic had gotten around to snow and closings, and I mentioned that ON THE AIR I'd throw in a note about 'Orthodox worship at Our Lady of The Evening has been moved indoors .... '
BAM! I got back a sharp rebuke from one chatter, a real nice fellow by the way, and apparently a devout Catholic.
I apologized in chat for offending anyone. Left unresolved and dismissed was that
a) I mentioned I would say things like that ON THE AIR, in Philadelphia, with no backlash and
b) That I'm Catholic myself. 'So what's the problem here?'
Apparently, though, even self-deprecating humor can strike some people the wrong way .....
More ethnic silliness that *did* go over well was recently. Some family from India renovated a long-derelict Uni-Mart convenience store in town. It's now quite the popular place, with two other mini-marts in close proximity. These folks know what they're doing .... gasoline, ice, lottery, newspapers, a hot food bar, smokes, gum, snacks, milk, soda -- the whole 27 feet.
I told the one shift runner that, since the wife and I don't know the official name, we refer to the place as the New Delhi. His eyes got wide, and then he passed the comment along to his co-workers, who got a good laugh. There was nothing mean-spirited intended, and no offense taken .....
@ Abraham : I too thought that Malloy had a terrific sense of humor. That was when he and his wife (?) would do bits on Don Cannon's WSNI morning show. But yeah; there's a fine line between innocent (and even sharp) humor and nasty humor. You'd figure that with today's communications possibly going all over the globe in a matter of seconds, modern radio pros would be aware of that dividing line.
Suspension, yes. Firing, no. Just my opinion.
Exactly...there's a whole line of discussion that involves black people using the "n" word, and why they say they shouldn't use it, even among themselves.
Since I'm part Polish I guess I can state this....Do you know Germany invaded Poland? They marched in backwards and said that they were leaving.
BTW, let's not pretend that we somehow don't know the obvious. Those from one political party are free to make racist, sexist, hateful comments so long as those comments are directed at the party of our current President. Facts are facts, you can feel however you want about it but it's quite silly to deny such an obvious fact.
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