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True Christmas music on KLTY

R

rbrucecarter

Guest
And now there are two Christmas stations. Only I wouldn't call most of the stuff on KVIL Christmas music. Winter holiday music maybe. Christmas carols, it would seem, are politically incorrect. So they are relegated to Christian stations.
 
Oh yes, let's all stop and shed a tear for the poor, picked-upon, completely helpless Christian minority in this country who never, ever gets what it wants.

Oh wait, I forgot, we're talking about the US. They're only in charge of every branch of government and do their best to run (ruin?) everyone else's life.

Give me a break.

> And now there are two Christmas stations. Only I wouldn't
> call most of the stuff on KVIL Christmas music. Winter
> holiday music maybe. Christmas carols, it would seem, are
> politically incorrect. So they are relegated to Christian
> stations.
>
 
> Oh yes, let's all stop and shed a tear for the poor,
> picked-upon, completely helpless Christian minority in this
> country who never, ever gets what it wants.
>
> Oh wait, I forgot, we're talking about the US. They're only
> in charge of every branch of government and do their best to
> run (ruin?) everyone else's life.
>
> Give me a break.

Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments somewhere else. Your post has basically no point other than to be launching pad for a political rant (that none of us on Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a valid point about political correctness (as it relates to Christmas radio programming, nothing else) and a reference to a message currently running on-air at KLTY.

Maybe one of the MoveOn.org forums would be a better place for you.

HR
 
> > Oh yes, let's all stop and shed a tear for the poor,
> > picked-upon, completely helpless Christian minority in
> this
> > country who never, ever gets what it wants.
> >
> > Oh wait, I forgot, we're talking about the US. They're
> only
> > in charge of every branch of government and do their best
> to
> > run (ruin?) everyone else's life.
> >
> > Give me a break.
>
> Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments
> somewhere else. Your post has basically no point other than
> to be launching pad for a political rant (that none of us on
> Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a valid point
> about political correctness (as it relates to Christmas
> radio programming, nothing else) and a reference to a
> message currently running on-air at KLTY.
>
> Maybe one of the MoveOn.org forums would be a better place
> for you.
>
> HR


You seem to be full of hot air yourself, Hurricane :)
 
> > > Oh yes, let's all stop and shed a tear for the poor,
> > > picked-upon, completely helpless Christian minority in
> > this
> > > country who never, ever gets what it wants.
> > >
> > > Oh wait, I forgot, we're talking about the US. They're
> > only
> > > in charge of every branch of government and do their
> best
> > to
> > > run (ruin?) everyone else's life.
> > >
> > > Give me a break.
> >
> > Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments
> > somewhere else. Your post has basically no point other
> than
> > to be launching pad for a political rant (that none of us
> on
> > Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a valid
> point
> > about political correctness (as it relates to Christmas
> > radio programming, nothing else) and a reference to a
> > message currently running on-air at KLTY.
> >
> > Maybe one of the MoveOn.org forums would be a better place
>
> > for you.
> >
> > HR
>
>
> You seem to be full of hot air yourself, Hurricane :)
>
Pretty much what I was going to say. They can criticize others but to criticize them is just down right unGodly;).
 
> > > Oh yes, let's all stop and shed a tear for the poor,
> > > picked-upon, completely helpless Christian minority in
> > this
> > > country who never, ever gets what it wants.
> > >
> > > Oh wait, I forgot, we're talking about the US. They're
> > only
> > > in charge of every branch of government and do their
> best
> > to
> > > run (ruin?) everyone else's life.
> > >
> > > Give me a break.
> >
> > Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments
> > somewhere else. Your post has basically no point other
> than
> > to be launching pad for a political rant (that none of us
> on
> > Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a valid


I'd like to put in my $.02 on this issue from a different perspective. Although I respect the fact that KLTY is trying to play music that is bringing more focus to the real meaning of the season, as opposed to KVIL which seems more interested in the 'holiday season' hype and $$, I would suggest that neither station is really in tune with what the season is all about. Being a faithful Catholic in tune with the liturgical calendar, I know that the season of Christmas doesn't begin until Christmas day, which is supposed to be the first day of celebration and rejoicing in the birth of Jesus. The season leading up to Christmas (which by the way doesn't begin for another week and a half) is Advent, which is a time of solemn anticipation and reflection on the great gift of Christmas. The twelve days between Christmas day and the Epiphany on January 6th is the REAL season of Christmas, hence the 'Twelve Days of Christmas.' It's the advertisers and the holiday marketers who have moved the season foreward because that's when people are spending money. I look forward to the day when I can hear a station that truly desires to celebrate the birth of Christ at the appropriate time with appropriate joyful music, beginning Christmas day, a station that plays music during advent that puts us in a mood to search our souls, reflect and anticipate the coming of Christmas day, a station more concerned with Jesus' birth than selling gifts. Then and only then to we begin the celebration of the Christmas season!!


> point
> > about political correctness (as it relates to Christmas
> > radio programming, nothing else) and a reference to a
> > message currently running on-air at KLTY.
> >
> > Maybe one of the MoveOn.org forums would be a better place
>
> > for you.
> >
> > HR
>
>
> You seem to be full of hot air yourself, Hurricane :)
>
 
> Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments
> somewhere else. Your post has basically no point other than
> to be launching pad for a political rant (that none of us on
> Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a valid point
> about political correctness (as it relates to Christmas
> radio programming, nothing else) and a reference to a
> message currently running on-air at KLTY.
>
> Maybe one of the MoveOn.org forums would be a better place
> for you.
>
> HR

Now, now... though Radio6 seems to have gone a little extreme, it could be argued that Bruce's post was also a launching pad for a political rant. It could be argued that the "political correctness" was mentioned to disparage the stations that do NOT play Christmas songs that relate to Christ or Christianity. Even though I do beleive I remember hearing Gene Autry's "Hear Comes Santa Claus" on KVIL, which does include the line "Let's give thanks to the Lord above cuz Santa Claus comes tonight."

I think that the attempt to play more secular "holiday" songs is simply an attempt to gather ratings from those that are not Christian.

And as an aside, I must give my point of view on Christmas songs:

I am not Christian. I do not beleive in many of the things that Christmas songs like "Silent Night" and "Hark, The Herald Angels Sing" are about. I can appreciate music and song, though. "O Holy Night" has been one of my favorite songs since I was a child. I will belt it out with the best of them, and have even sung solo at Christian churches, simply because I love that song so.

Anyway, my point is that anyone who will constanly rant and rave against Christmas songs with Christ in them is someone who REALLY needs to take a look at their own faith (or lack thereof), and stop knocking someone else's simply because it has more members.

(CAUTION: POSSIBLY OFFENSIVE SARCASTIC STATEMENTS AHEAD! INGEST GRAIN OF SALT NOW!)

Besides, everyone knows that Soltice and Yule are the reason for the season! Christ was born in the spring! Christmas should be celebrated at Easter... celebrate birth, life, and death all at one... hmm... that sounds awfully pagan, though...

(END POSSIBLY OFFENSIVE SARCASTIC STATEMENTS)<P ID="signature">______________
"The only thing that sustains one through life is the consciousness of the immense inferiority of everybody else, and this is a feeling that I have always cultivated."
---Oscar Wilde</P>
 
Re: Christmas and Advent

Thanks for that info and opinion, RX... I'd forgotten about Advent. Now that we have the extremes posted (your Catholic view, my pagan view), perhaps we'll get some middle ground thoughts from the rest of these people!

;)<P ID="signature">______________
"The only thing that sustains one through life is the consciousness of the immense inferiority of everybody else, and this is a feeling that I have always cultivated."
---Oscar Wilde</P>
 
> > > Oh yes, let's all stop and shed a tear for the poor,
> > > picked-upon, completely helpless Christian minority in
> > this
> > > country who never, ever gets what it wants.
> > >
> > > Oh wait, I forgot, we're talking about the US. They're
> > only
> > > in charge of every branch of government and do their
> best
> > to
> > > run (ruin?) everyone else's life.
> > >
> > > Give me a break.
> >
> > Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments
> > somewhere else. Your post has basically no point other
> than
> > to be launching pad for a political rant (that none of us
> on
> > Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a valid
> point
> > about political correctness (as it relates to Christmas
> > radio programming, nothing else) and a reference to a
> > message currently running on-air at KLTY.
> >
> > Maybe one of the MoveOn.org forums would be a better place
>
> > for you.
> >
> > HR
>
>
> You seem to be full of hot air yourself, Hurricane :)
>

How do you figure?

HR
 
> > > > Oh yes, let's all stop and shed a tear for the poor,
> > > > picked-upon, completely helpless Christian minority in
>
> > > this
> > > > country who never, ever gets what it wants.
> > > >
> > > > Oh wait, I forgot, we're talking about the US.
> They're
> > > only
> > > > in charge of every branch of government and do their
> > best
> > > to
> > > > run (ruin?) everyone else's life.
> > > >
> > > > Give me a break.
> > >
> > > Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments
> > > somewhere else. Your post has basically no point other
> > than
> > > to be launching pad for a political rant (that none of
> us
> > on
> > > Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a valid
>
>
> I'd like to put in my $.02 on this issue from a different
> perspective. Although I respect the fact that KLTY is trying
> to play music that is bringing more focus to the real
> meaning of the season, as opposed to KVIL which seems more
> interested in the 'holiday season' hype and $$, I would
> suggest that neither station is really in tune with what the
> season is all about. Being a faithful Catholic in tune with
> the liturgical calendar, I know that the season of Christmas
> doesn't begin until Christmas day, which is supposed to be
> the first day of celebration and rejoicing in the birth of
> Jesus. The season leading up to Christmas (which by the way
> doesn't begin for another week and a half) is Advent, which
> is a time of solemn anticipation and reflection on the great
> gift of Christmas. The twelve days between Christmas day and
> the Epiphany on January 6th is the REAL season of Christmas,
> hence the 'Twelve Days of Christmas.' It's the advertisers
> and the holiday marketers who have moved the season foreward
> because that's when people are spending money. I look
> forward to the day when I can hear a station that truly
> desires to celebrate the birth of Christ at the appropriate
> time with appropriate joyful music, beginning Christmas day,
> a station that plays music during advent that puts us in a
> mood to search our souls, reflect and anticipate the coming
> of Christmas day, a station more concerned with Jesus' birth
> than selling gifts. Then and only then to we begin the
> celebration of the Christmas season!!
>

Those are some very valid points, most of which i agree with. I think we can all agree that Christmas (and really every major Holiday) is over-commercialized including Christmas music on the radio a month and a half before the actual day.

HR
 
To be precise, one school of thought holds that Jesus of Nazareth was born in the spring. Another is that he was most likely born around the Feast of Tabernacles, which is in the autumn. That was one of the pilgramage feasts, and all heads of households would have been compelled to travel to Jerusalem. With Bethlehem nearby (and possibly the census ordered by Octavian Augustus) it was also convenient for Jesus' circumcision in the Temple eight days after his birth - and Tabernacles is an eight day feast. Another theory, anyway...

1st Century Believers would have been aghast at the thought of celebrating Jesus' birth, let alone the commercial nature of the present holiday. They wouldn't even kneel before a cross, since to them it was a very real symbol of horror. In fact, they would not even call themselves "Christ-ians" - since they did not attach anything of the Diety to anything of the flesh. The term began in Antioch as a Roman slur. Instead, they observed his death and resurrection, daily, by breaking bread in each other's homes. Formal meetings were usually on Sunday evening when poor people, slaves, and priests could get away from work.

Bruce raises a good question. We live in an age in which saying "Merry Christmas" at Walmart is problematic. However, as some of the other posters have suggested, if Believers spent more time revealing our risen Lord instead of delivering condemnation perhaps there would not be such resentment. We tend to whine and tell the world how stupid it is instead of offering a helping hand.

As far as programming goes, if you're going to play Christmas music, then play Christmas music. Be what you are, or be something else.

Jody

> > > > Oh yes, let's all stop and shed a tear for the poor,
> > > > picked-upon, completely helpless Christian minority in
>
> > > this
> > > > country who never, ever gets what it wants.
> > > >
> > > > Oh wait, I forgot, we're talking about the US.
> They're
> > > only
> > > > in charge of every branch of government and do their
> > best
> > > to
> > > > run (ruin?) everyone else's life.
> > > >
> > > > Give me a break.
> > >
> > > Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments
> > > somewhere else. Your post has basically no point other
> > than
> > > to be launching pad for a political rant (that none of
> us
> > on
> > > Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a valid
> > point
> > > about political correctness (as it relates to Christmas
> > > radio programming, nothing else) and a reference to a
> > > message currently running on-air at KLTY.
> > >
> > > Maybe one of the MoveOn.org forums would be a better
> place
> >
> > > for you.
> > >
> > > HR
> >
> >
> > You seem to be full of hot air yourself, Hurricane :)
> >
> Pretty much what I was going to say. They can criticize
> others but to criticize them is just down right unGodly;).
>
 
I may be anti-christian (anti-evangelical to be more precise --- growing up in Dallas seems to do that to a lot of people) but I am far from ignorant --- especially about you people. I am in fact very familiar with this particular brand of nonsense.

As noted below, I didn't start the political rant, that was the thread starter. I just responded. You may think his point is valid, I don't. Difference of opinion. Oh, wait, I forgot, "god" likes your point so that makes it better? My bad. [snort]

And maybe one of the forums over at the 700 Club would be a better place for you.

>
>
> Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments
> somewhere else. Your post has basically no point other than
> to be launching pad for a political rant (that none of us on
> Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a valid point
> about political correctness (as it relates to Christmas
> radio programming, nothing else) and a reference to a
> message currently running on-air at KLTY.
>
> Maybe one of the MoveOn.org forums would be a better place
> for you.
>
> HR
>
<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Radio6 on 11/16/05 10:44 PM.</FONT></P>
 
I rarely chime in around here....and certainly love reading what everyone has to say on most subjects.

But I must admit to growing somewhat weary of debates like this. I enjoy the 'holiday' music....I enjoy the "Christian' based music of the season.

What I simply don't understand is why people on ALL sides of a religious/secular/atheist/agnostic/philosophical/humanist issue can't just leave each other alone.

There's plenty of room on this planet for EVERYONE to believe in what they want to believe in. Why do so many of us feel the need bring others over to our point of view, and hammer anyone who differs? I'm no diplomat....I've got my ideas about the 'bigger' picture, but I have NO right to expect anyone to agree with me....nor would I want them to. In fact, its a pretty private matter for me.

The extreme conservative/liberal radicals from both/all sides are really beginning to bore me.

Oh, Burl Ives "Holly Jolly Christmas" always makes me smile. "Oh Holy Night" always makes me cry.
 
> > > > Oh yes, let's all stop and shed a tear for the poor,
> > > > picked-upon, completely helpless Christian minority in
>
> > > this
> > > > country who never, ever gets what it wants.
> > > >
> > > > Oh wait, I forgot, we're talking about the US.
> They're
> > > only
> > > > in charge of every branch of government and do their
> > best
> > > to
> > > > run (ruin?) everyone else's life.
> > > >
> > > > Give me a break.
> > >
> > > Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments
> > > somewhere else. Your post has basically no point other
> > than
> > > to be launching pad for a political rant (that none of
> us
> > on
> > > Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a valid
> > point
> > > about political correctness (as it relates to Christmas
> > > radio programming, nothing else) and a reference to a
> > > message currently running on-air at KLTY.
> > >
> > > Maybe one of the MoveOn.org forums would be a better
> place
> >
> > > for you.
> > >
> > > HR
> >
> >
> > You seem to be full of hot air yourself, Hurricane :)
> >
> Pretty much what I was going to say. They can criticize
> others but to criticize them is just down right unGodly;).
>

I usually enjoy your comments KPLEX, but I think you are being a little over-the-top here. To recap, Radio6 posted a ridiculous reply to Bruce that was completely unwarranted. Bruce was simply point out that KVIL's "Christmas music" is more aptly "Holiday Music" (not even in a derogatory tone) since there are not a lot of references to Jesus' birth. 6's comment didn't really have anything of parent comment at all, rather his post was him lumping Christmas music in with the Republicans in Congress and the White House. Which is absurd and off-topic, that's why i called him out on it.

Why all the fuss?

HR
 
Wouldn't it be nice if the world worked like that? Well, it doesn't. Evangelicals believe it is their right to interfere with others who don't believe like they do and those who don't live like the evangelicals think they should live. If they left people alone, there would be fewer problems. As it is, I say anyone who doesn't agree should stand up. Silence is always taken by evangelicals to be assent.

I would never consider starting a religion post on a radio board, but will I respond to one? You bet.

> I rarely chime in around here....and certainly love reading
> what everyone has to say on most subjects.
>
> But I must admit to growing somewhat weary of debates like
> this. I enjoy the 'holiday' music....I enjoy the "Christian'
> based music of the season.
>
> What I simply don't understand is why people on ALL sides of
> a religious/secular/atheist/agnostic/philosophical/humanist
> issue can't just leave each other alone.
>
> There's plenty of room on this planet for EVERYONE to
> believe in what they want to believe in. Why do so many of
> us feel the need bring others over to our point of view, and
> hammer anyone who differs? I'm no diplomat....I've got my
> ideas about the 'bigger' picture, but I have NO right to
> expect anyone to agree with me....nor would I want them to.
> In fact, its a pretty private matter for me.
>
> The extreme conservative/liberal radicals from both/all
> sides are really beginning to bore me.
>
> Oh, Burl Ives "Holly Jolly Christmas" always makes me smile.
> "Oh Holy Night" always makes me cry.
>
 
You really think that no "christmas" songs are played on stations other than christian stations? What planet are you from?

And if you think there wasn't a lot of "oh poor marginalized christians" rhetoric frontloaded into the original comment, then you aren't reading very carefully.

I thought it was absurd and I called him out on it.

So why all the fuss?




> > >
> > >
> > > You seem to be full of hot air yourself, Hurricane :)
> > >
> > Pretty much what I was going to say. They can criticize
> > others but to criticize them is just down right unGodly;).
>
> >
>
> I usually enjoy your comments KPLEX, but I think you are
> being a little over-the-top here. To recap, Radio6 posted a
> ridiculous reply to Bruce that was completely unwarranted.
> Bruce was simply point out that KVIL's "Christmas music" is
> more aptly "Holiday Music" (not even in a derogatory tone)
> since there are not a lot of references to Jesus' birth.
> 6's comment didn't really have anything of parent comment at
> all, rather his post was him lumping Christmas music in with
> the Republicans in Congress and the White House. Which is
> absurd and off-topic, that's why i called him out on it.
>
> Why all the fuss?
>
> HR
>
 
>
> I usually enjoy your comments KPLEX, but I think you are
> being a little over-the-top here. To recap, Radio6 posted a
> ridiculous reply to Bruce that was completely unwarranted.
> Bruce was simply point out that KVIL's "Christmas music" is
> more aptly "Holiday Music" (not even in a derogatory tone)
> since there are not a lot of references to Jesus' birth.
> 6's comment didn't really have anything of parent comment at
> all, rather his post was him lumping Christmas music in with
> the Republicans in Congress and the White House. Which is
> absurd and off-topic, that's why i called him out on it.
>
> Why all the fuss?
>
> HR
>
I appreciate the Kudos Hurricane. My statement was about Bruce once again bringing his Christian view point on a subject. If you have seen his past posts in regards to this he takes a holier than thou approach. There was a tinge of it showing in his post actually.His other posts when there is no reference to his personal religous beliefs are interesting.
 
> I rarely chime in around here....and certainly love reading
> what everyone has to say on most subjects.
>
> But I must admit to growing somewhat weary of debates like
> this. I enjoy the 'holiday' music....I enjoy the "Christian'
> based music of the season.
>
> What I simply don't understand is why people on ALL sides of
> a religious/secular/atheist/agnostic/philosophical/humanist
> issue can't just leave each other alone.
>
> There's plenty of room on this planet for EVERYONE to
> believe in what they want to believe in. Why do so many of
> us feel the need bring others over to our point of view, and
> hammer anyone who differs? I'm no diplomat....I've got my
> ideas about the 'bigger' picture, but I have NO right to
> expect anyone to agree with me....nor would I want them to.
> In fact, its a pretty private matter for me.
>
> The extreme conservative/liberal radicals from both/all
> sides are really beginning to bore me.
>
> Oh, Burl Ives "Holly Jolly Christmas" always makes me smile.
> "Oh Holy Night" always makes me cry.
>
"Do they know it's Christmas?" by Bandaid is a great song and it still reflects on situations in the world.
 
> To be precise, one school of thought holds that Jesus of
> Nazareth was born in the spring. Another is that he was most
> likely born around the Feast of Tabernacles, which is in the
> autumn. That was one of the pilgramage feasts, and all heads
> of households would have been compelled to travel to
> Jerusalem. With Bethlehem nearby (and possibly the census
> ordered by Octavian Augustus) it was also convenient for
> Jesus' circumcision in the Temple eight days after his birth
> - and Tabernacles is an eight day feast. Another theory,
> anyway...
>
> 1st Century Believers would have been aghast at the thought
> of celebrating Jesus' birth, let alone the commercial nature
> of the present holiday. They wouldn't even kneel before a
> cross, since to them it was a very real symbol of horror. In
> fact, they would not even call themselves "Christ-ians" -
> since they did not attach anything of the Diety to anything
> of the flesh. The term began in Antioch as a Roman slur.
> Instead, they observed his death and resurrection, daily, by
> breaking bread in each other's homes. Formal meetings were
> usually on Sunday evening when poor people, slaves, and
> priests could get away from work.
>
> Bruce raises a good question. We live in an age in which
> saying "Merry Christmas" at Walmart is problematic. However,
> as some of the other posters have suggested, if Believers
> spent more time revealing our risen Lord instead of
> delivering condemnation perhaps there would not be such
> resentment. We tend to whine and tell the world how stupid
> it is instead of offering a helping hand.
>
> As far as programming goes, if you're going to play
> Christmas music, then play Christmas music. Be what you are,
> or be something else.
>
> Jody
>
> > > > > Oh yes, let's all stop and shed a tear for the poor,
>
> > > > > picked-upon, completely helpless Christian minority
> in
> >
> > > > this
> > > > > country who never, ever gets what it wants.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh wait, I forgot, we're talking about the US.
> > They're
> > > > only
> > > > > in charge of every branch of government and do their
>
> > > best
> > > > to
> > > > > run (ruin?) everyone else's life.
> > > > >
> > > > > Give me a break.
> > > >
> > > > Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments
> > > > somewhere else. Your post has basically no point
> other
> > > than
> > > > to be launching pad for a political rant (that none of
>
> > us
> > > on
> > > > Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a valid
> > > point
> > > > about political correctness (as it relates to
> Christmas
> > > > radio programming, nothing else) and a reference to a
> > > > message currently running on-air at KLTY.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe one of the MoveOn.org forums would be a better
> > place
> > >
> > > > for you.
> > > >
> > > > HR
> > >
> > >
> > > You seem to be full of hot air yourself, Hurricane :)
> > >
> > Pretty much what I was going to say. They can criticize
> > others but to criticize them is just down right unGodly;).
>
> >
>
Well Jody The history lesson is appreciated but a bit lengthy and was it necessary to present a point? Your last paragraph summed it up well.
 
> > To be precise, one school of thought holds that Jesus of
> > Nazareth was born in the spring. Another is that he was
> most
> > likely born around the Feast of Tabernacles, which is in
> the
> > autumn. That was one of the pilgramage feasts, and all
> heads
> > of households would have been compelled to travel to
> > Jerusalem. With Bethlehem nearby (and possibly the census
> > ordered by Octavian Augustus) it was also convenient for
> > Jesus' circumcision in the Temple eight days after his
> birth
> > - and Tabernacles is an eight day feast. Another theory,
> > anyway...
> >
> > 1st Century Believers would have been aghast at the
> thought
> > of celebrating Jesus' birth, let alone the commercial
> nature
> > of the present holiday. They wouldn't even kneel before a
> > cross, since to them it was a very real symbol of horror.
> In
> > fact, they would not even call themselves "Christ-ians" -
> > since they did not attach anything of the Diety to
> anything
> > of the flesh. The term began in Antioch as a Roman slur.
> > Instead, they observed his death and resurrection, daily,
> by
> > breaking bread in each other's homes. Formal meetings were
>
> > usually on Sunday evening when poor people, slaves, and
> > priests could get away from work.
> >
> > Bruce raises a good question. We live in an age in which
> > saying "Merry Christmas" at Walmart is problematic.
> However,
> > as some of the other posters have suggested, if Believers
> > spent more time revealing our risen Lord instead of
> > delivering condemnation perhaps there would not be such
> > resentment. We tend to whine and tell the world how stupid
>
> > it is instead of offering a helping hand.
> >
> > As far as programming goes, if you're going to play
> > Christmas music, then play Christmas music. Be what you
> are,
> > or be something else.
> >
> > Jody
> >
> > > > > > Oh yes, let's all stop and shed a tear for the
> poor,
> >
> > > > > > picked-upon, completely helpless Christian
> minority
> > in
> > >
> > > > > this
> > > > > > country who never, ever gets what it wants.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Oh wait, I forgot, we're talking about the US.
> > > They're
> > > > > only
> > > > > > in charge of every branch of government and do
> their
> >
> > > > best
> > > > > to
> > > > > > run (ruin?) everyone else's life.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Give me a break.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please take your ignorant anti-Christian sentiments
> > > > > somewhere else. Your post has basically no point
> > other
> > > > than
> > > > > to be launching pad for a political rant (that none
> of
> >
> > > us
> > > > on
> > > > > Dallas board want to hear). Bruce was making a
> valid
> > > > point
> > > > > about political correctness (as it relates to
> > Christmas
> > > > > radio programming, nothing else) and a reference to
> a
> > > > > message currently running on-air at KLTY.
> > > > >
> > > > > Maybe one of the MoveOn.org forums would be a better
>
> > > place
> > > >
> > > > > for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > HR
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > You seem to be full of hot air yourself, Hurricane :)
> > > >
> > > Pretty much what I was going to say. They can criticize
> > > others but to criticize them is just down right
> unGodly;).
> >
> > >
> >
> Well Jody The history lesson is appreciated but a bit
> lengthy and was it necessary to present a point? Your last
> paragraph summed it up well.
>

Point well taken. The history lesson was merely designed to illustrate that Christmas observed in its current manner has very little to do with Christ. Not an awful thing, as it does call attention to the founder of the feast. As Paul would have said, in that Believers rejoice. But it's understandable why the season would exasperate others when those of us who do believe tend to behave another way the rest of the year. Formats or people, be what you are are - not
60%, but all the way.

One more history lesson - Tabernacles celebrated the tabernacle of Moses, through which God dwelled on earth with man. A good time for Jesus to be born if he was who he claimed to be. That would have put his conception at Hannukah, or the Festival of Lights - and the prophets referred to the Messiah as the light of the world. That's either an odd coincidence, an amazingly consistent concoction, or a well-concieved plan.

Jody
 
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