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Tulsa ratings

It appears that KXOJ and Spirit are going to fight it out to see who the winner is of those 5 share points. Maybe one will dominate and get a 3 once in a while. Either way, it's a really small hill to battle for. It has to be a financial disaster for Cox and I'm sure it's had an impact on KXOJ's revenue.

Take off the gloves and knuckle up. They should have turned 102.3 into country. At least there's 20 share points to get!
 
HaHa... so KXOJ dj subscribes to KXOJ's music testing program... that's it! It' proves KXOJ dj REALLY IS a KXOJ dj! and all this time I thought they weren't! ::)

Was Okie Dokie's a bar?? I thought it was just a restaurant that served beer? Like Applebees, On The Border, or Rib Crib?? Maybe I'm wrong though...

And I believe the PD of the sports animal is Kevin Ward... has a sports background from OKC and I think he did commentary for Union High School for a while?? Could be way off though...
 
And, there have been plenty of sports gambling spots on Sportstalk. So yep, hard to be high and mighty when you allow that kind fo programming on your frequency.
 
DogEStyle said:
It appears that KXOJ and Spirit are going to fight it out to see who the winner is of those 5 share points. Maybe one will dominate and get a 3 once in a while. Either way, it's a really small hill to battle for. It has to be a financial disaster for Cox and I'm sure it's had an impact on KXOJ's revenue.

Take off the gloves and knuckle up. They should have turned 102.3 into country. At least there's 20 share points to get!


You're thinking in the language of 12 Plus, which is nearly as useless as pig latin.

The laguage that corporate radio speaks in is Adults and Women.

I think the better that one understands group strategy, cluster thinking, flanking, and protection, the better one understands why 102.3 exists.

Didn't we cover this already?
 
kxojdj said:
Hello Jack. I am just trying to get our side of the story out to our fellow radio people. Just because we don't work for the big boys, I want them to know what is going on with us. We miss you here at the Kross & KXOJ.

That's nice...but no offense...I don't know who you are & doubt you work at KXOJ. If you worked there I bet it didn't last long if you acted the same way there as you do here. Wow...this thread has become tiresome...I'm going back to the Iowa thread. ;D
 
Flanking and cluster strategy are two main reasons that radio is suffering. Stations need to stand alone on their own merit and gain as many listeners as possible.

Which cluster do you run Blaine?
 
DogEStyle said:
Flanking and cluster strategy are two main reasons that radio is suffering. Stations need to stand alone on their own merit and gain as many listeners as possible.

Which cluster do you run Blaine?

I actually don't run a cluster. But I do work for one. I'm a DJ.

Many have lamented the deregulation that happened in 1996. But it's been ten years.

It's not a romantic thought. But, I think we should probably quit living the past and deal with the present.

Reality is, that Cluster thinking is the way most of the industry works now. So working within that frame and playing by those rules here and now is simply good radio. To deny that reality and spend our time cursing it is just avoidance and won't get us anywhere.

Shoulda, coulda, woulda won't make my company profitable. Nor will it make my numbers strong by getting people to listen.
 
Nobody's complaining about companies owning several station. You have missed my point. It is when groups program to "flank and augment" that is harming the industry.

Every station should be programed to be the best station in the market, period. Having a flanker station is a waste and that tells it's employees that they do not count as much as the next station in the group.

It's poor radio and the listeners suffer.
 
DogEStyle said:
Nobody's complaining about companies owning several station. You have missed my point. It is when groups program to "flank and augment" that is harming the industry.

Every station should be programed to be the best station in the market, period. Having a flanker station is a waste and that tells it's employees that they do not count as much as the next station in the group.

It's poor radio and the listeners suffer.

I understand your point. You said that "each station should be programmed to be the best station that it can be." But what you are saying is that each station should be programmed independant of strategic regard for the other station's in a cluster. Ultimately, that works out to a non-focussed cluster and a lower profit margin.

Within a corporate entity, each asset has to be managed and 'focussed' in a way so as to bring the maximum return for the good of the entity as a whole.

So I would argue that this is what Cox is doing. You seem to imply that a flanker station is a 'throwaway' item to these companies. But within the overall profit philosophy of a company, a flanker is not a throw away. It's simply fulfilling the finely focussed purpose for which it was created. In truth, the flankers are just as important as the others in the group.

Now, as far as making employees who are working for a flanker 'feel not as important'; I think that if a company clearly communicates it's vision and strategy to it's staffers, this isnt a problem. I, for one, have worked for flankers. And the company I was with made it clear to us that we were highly valued and explained to us clearly our purpose within the group. We knew our purpose going in. And we were fine with it.

If morale is low in any radio staff, flanker or not, it's usually a result of bad management. In most cases this is true, anyway. I've found that if one's place within a company is clearly and hoestly communicated to them upon arrival, there usually isn't a problem.So many times it comes down to clear communication between management and staff. And in so many cases, the communication skills of managers are sorely lacking.

As far as being 'bad for the industry', I think that depends on which side of the industry you're on. If you're on a winning team, then it's "good for the industry." If you're on a team that is being beaten, then it's "bad for the industry."
 
It cracks me up that when someone like Blaine speaks the truth, they get attacked.

There are some stations in the market that do well because they are owned by large companies that spend money to hire good people to run them. Some big companies don't spend the money.

It all comes down to the level of talent that is on-board.

In the case of KXOJ, we have seemed to attract good people because the pay is competitive with the bigger Tulsa stations.
 
Developing complementary brands in a cluster for sales purposes makes sense - flanking does not.

Show me one TRULY successful cluster that needs a flanker. If the product is right, there's no need to flank it.

If you have a signal that's marginal and it can't stand on its own for that reason, then yes - it might make some sense as a flanker. KSCS and The Twister in Dallas are a good example. KSCS is a heritage country outlet. The Twister is a relatively new CHR that just happens to play country music. It also has a lousy signal in the southern part of the metro.

That flanking strategy even seemed to work for a while, but a more exciting, superior product won out in the end and put The Wolf back on top.

102.3 has a full market signal. It puts a city grade signal over the entire metro. Can it get to Muskogee? No. Do the people in Muskogee have Tulsa books? No. Could it win with the right format? You bet. Would it be more profitable as a winner with the right format than as a flanker? Of course.

I took a station to #2 12+ and #1 in the demo with a stick 34 miles out of the metro. My signal barely covered the southern edge of town and had no building penetration - yet I was able to get double digit 12+ shares.

It's the product. It's the strategy that goes into the product.

Wanna flank your format competition without wasting a signal? Beat them out of stopsets and win the quarter hour battle. Outpromote them. Reposition the competition. Research your music. Be fun and exciting. Stay on your game. Don't get lazy. Don't get boring and predictable. Take care of the details - the little stuff adds up.
 
ElCheapo said:
Wanna flank your format competition without wasting a signal? Beat them out of stopsets and win the quarter hour battle. Outpromote them. Reposition the competition. Research your music. Be fun and exciting. Stay on your game. Don't get lazy. Don't get boring and predictable. Take care of the details - the little stuff adds up.

You should tell that to KMOD. That station has been predictable and boring for far too long.
 
I may not be up to speed on the technicalities with how to use a flanker but I don't think 102.3 was put on to be one. From what I have heard, they put on the format to serve the market with a full 50kw signal as opposed to our 5kw. They have never mentioned any of their other stations in their strategy. KXOJ did well once 98.5 dropped the Christian format back in the late 80s.

We still get calls about how hard it is to get 100.9 inside a building. 102.3 comes in loud and clear even in downtown office buildings. It is hard to get KXOJ in Woodland Hills Mall and even St. Francis Hospital. If KXOJ starts to get "static/weak" and someone hits scan they wind up on Spirit-FM. (right after the spanish station.) Nice perk for a new station.

I too wish 102.3 would go back to rock. I didn't listen, but I'm sure someone did.
 
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