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Turner To Ax Smoking Scenes From Cartoons/Tom And Jerry And The Flintstones

Turner Channel has decided to ax all smoking scenes from all their cartoons from Tom And Jerry to The Flintstones among others.

Here's the link:

www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14452732

I guess what's going to happen next is that they will drop every show that depicts smoking on old sitcoms especially I Love Lucy,among others.

Comments?
 
Braves2005 said:
Turner Channel has decided to ax all smoking scenes from all their cartoons from Tom And Jerry to The Flintstones among others.

That means we will never again see Jerry accepting an offer of a cigarette from Tom as he prepares to test his better mouse trap on the poor rodent. :(

Or Fred passing a cigar to Barney in celebration of Pebbles' birth. :(

ixnay
 
Game Show Network has already done something equally silly in shelving forever old game shows that have the sponsors name in the shot of the panel or the guest. The "sponsor"...a cigarette company of course!

Look, you can't change history. Smoking was considered fashonable at one time. Hopefully, people nowadays know better.
(Both my parents smoked, I don't and never have.)

Not once did I ever want to drop an anvil on somebodys head like in the "Road Runner" cartoons.

When Capitol Records re-printed the "I Want To Hold Your Hand" 45 RPM picture sleeve, they airbrushed out the cigarette that Paul was holding in the original 1964 print!

O.K. Final rant; Read the MSNBC story posted above.
The cartoon edits and cleanups will be done because ONE PERSON complained! Just ONE!
 
Braves2005 said:
I guess what's going to happen next is that they will drop every show that depicts smoking on old sitcoms especially I Love Lucy,among others.

Comments?

Hey this may very well happen. Lucie Arnaz has said many of times that if she would ever get her hands on I Love Lucy, well all the smoking scenes would be deleted. With all the money she and Desi Arnaz Jr. makes off of Lucy right now ( T-Shirts, mugs, hats, board games, books, etc...)it would NOT surprise me that within 5 years she and desi jr. would own all the rights to I Love Lucy.
 
The cartoon edits and cleanups will be done because ONE PERSON complained! Just ONE!

I'd love to know who the ONE PERSON was, just for the hell of it...oh wait a minute, HE has to remain "anonymous"...
Wuss.

Mark Q¿Q :mad:
 
That's funny, it's all right for Tom and Jerry to beat the crap out of each other with shovels and hammers and axes, but heaven forbid they stop and take a cigar break, well, we can't have THAT now, can we?

By the way, let's hope that Warner doesn't recall the Tom and Jerry and Flintstones DVD's that are out there now and edit those!

I can see Fred now, lighting Wilma's cigarette and singing "Winston tastes good like a (click click) cigarette should!" I miss those days :'(
 
I wonder why this ONE person decided to wait until NOW to start his rant about cigarette smoking in cartoons and cartoons from between 45 and 60 years old at that. I don't smoke,but I think that it is going way too far in deleting whole scenes and basically the whole cartoon by not showing the characters smoking. For instance,the episode of The Flintstones where Fred and Barney are smoking their celebratory cigars celebrating Pebbles' birth and then Nurse Frightenshale comes in and takes them away from them. That's a pivotal part of the episode and if they edit it,how will that be handled?

And I bet this person hasn't even seen I Love Lucy at all. Smoking from both Lucy and Desi. Lucky he hasn't griped about that yet,but as I said that could change in an instant.
 
Even beloved Sherriff Andy Taylor, not only smoking but smoking in bed? Remember those defanged versions of WB cartoons on Saturday mornings awhile back, that took out all the violence, making them totally unfunny? At least I don't have to worry about someone dropping an anvil on me.
 
And then what? DVDs of Burns And Allen without George's
trademark cigar? Or You Bet Your Life, without Groucho's
cigar? How about highlights of The Ed Sullivan Show with
Alan King smoking a stogie?

And on the cartoon front, I guess Popeye can't have his
pipe anymore, either.
 
This whole sanitizing of classic TV shows is totally wrong. These are a part of our history, and good or bad, they should remain as an artifact (even if that artifact is less than acceptable by today's audiences).

This is not the first time TV shows and cartoons have been scrubbed. During WWII, there were lots of derogatory Japanese stereotypes in cartoons. And don't forget "Song Of The South" (though Disney is trying to). Racism was evident in old TV shows as well (I still remember a racist slam against Wilt Chamberlain on "The Brady Bunch"). Lots of sexism in old shows as well.

Some of this stuff is pretty cringe-inducing nowadays, but I think it should remain, as it is a testement to the good and the not-so-good in our cultural history. What's next? Is someone going to chop up "All In The Family"? I certainly hope not!
 
FightingIrish said:
During WWII, there were lots of derogatory Japanese stereotypes in cartoons.

Yes. "Popeye" doing that comes to mind. And the Popeye toons of that period stuck it to Hitler's image too. OTOH I remember seeing one Popeye where he signs off that toon by tooting a V for Victory in Morse code with his pipe.

ixnay
 
I don't really understand why they want to drop just about anything from cartoons. I have enjoyed The Flintstones,Bugs Bunny,Popeye,Tom and Jerry,Woody Woodpecker for years now,but I have no desire in doing the following in what they do in the cartoons. Dropping a piano on my head,getting clonked with a trophy,going down the mountain in a barrel,going into the stove,sticking myself in a freezer,strapping myself with dynomite,flying an airplane into a barn,the list goes on and on. But myself and I know a LOT of people wouldn't do them themselves. That would be a candidate for instant death and very foolish if someone did those things. Why can't they leave the cartoons alone because ONE person complained about smoking and 1500 cartoons are affected by this? Other people complained about the violence as well and ABC during the whole time they aired Bugs Bunny on Saturday mornings they deleted every single piece of what they call "violence" off the air. When will it all end? If they want a gripe fest,take a look at what Jerry Springer and Maury Povich in what they call "entertainment". I would take cartoons over them 2 clowns any day of the week.
 
Those Warner Brothers cartoons were chopped to the point
that it became almost impossible to follow the story. Having
grown up with them since the '50s, it wasn't such a problem
for me, but I can imagine a child watching them for the first
time and feeling confused.

As for racial slurs, during World War II it was commonplace
for real people to refer to the Japanese as "Japs" or "Nips."
They attacked us at Pearl Harbor, after all; they were the
Al-Qaeda of that generation. So when Bugs Bunny hands
a Japanese soldier a hand grenade disguised as an ice-cream
bar and says, "Here y'are, slant eyes," he's saying what real
people would most likely have said at the time. Remember,
this WAS the 1940s, and political correctness was hardly "in."

As for non-cartoon shows, people should go back and listen
to a few Jack Benny shows. They'll find that Rochester was
smarter than his boss and frequently put him down. As for
Amos 'n' Andy, the Kingfish's schemes always backfire for the
same reason Ralph Kramden's do: there's always something he
didn't think through. That is NOT the same as being outsmarted
by a white person (in fact, you rarely saw a white person on
Amos 'n' Andy).

I have to agree. In order to understand American society in
the 1940s and '50s, these cartoons and other shows need to
remain intact. We don't have to approve, but neither do we
need to rewrite history.
 
Braves2005 said:
If they want a gripe fest,take a look at what Jerry Springer and Maury Povich in what they call "entertainment". I would take cartoons over them 2 clowns any day of the week.

Because Springer & Povich are shows from TODAY not from 1955. For some reason I am beginning to know more and more people who are frowning more on the shows from yesterday and don't give a hoot about whats on today. My neighbor for example will NOT allow her 2 kids ( ages 14 and 16 ) to watch reruns of Leave It To Beaver but does not have a problem at all allowing them to watch Deadwood or CSI. I guess its the fear of being labeled as someone who lives in the past.
 
CrankyYankee said:
Game Show Network has already done something equally silly in shelving forever old game shows that have the sponsors name in the shot of the panel or the guest. The "sponsor"...a cigarette company of course!

That's not entirely fair to GSN. They are mostly hamstrung by government rules prohibiting all cigarette advertising on television. A lot of the Goodson-Todman library (for which GSN relies) taped in the 1950s are very prominent with their advertisements, including cigarettes.

I remember several years ago, back when GSN was The "Game Show Network" they did begin airing early editions of many G-T games - early seasons of Password, The Names The Same and possibly I've Got A Secret or To Tell The Truth that were sponsored by cigarette companies. I think they asked for and received special permission from the government to air them. However, it appears that someone did complain about the eps with cigarette sponsors airing during "Black and White Overnight," causing GSN to reshelve them.
 
"That's not entirely fair to GSN. They are mostly hamstrung by government rules prohibiting all cigarette advertising on television. A lot of the Goodson-Todman library (for which GSN relies) taped in the 1950s are very prominent with their advertisements, including cigarettes."
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If that's the case...what wrong with pixelating the sponsors name out when it appears on screen?
(Leaving in old commercials for smokes would be wrong, yes indeed, but just the name in shot?!)
Let's not even begin a debate on the removal of tobacco advertising...I contend the advertising of a legal product should be allowed, it never influenced me.

For whatever reason, when PBS stations were showing the Groucho Marx "You Bet You Life" shows, the NBC letters on his desk mike were fuzzed out. Hey! That's history that's being fuzzed out!

PBS has no problem leaving in the big "GERITOL" name when it appears in the background on the Lawrence Welk show. (Oh, right, Geritol does not cause cancer...)

Also, if that's the case...tobacco companies quickly found a loophole by sponsoring sporting events like the Virginia Slims Classic and Winston Cup Racing. That should have been squashed right from the get-go.
 
CrankyYankee said:
Leaving in old commercials for smokes would be wrong, yes indeed, but just the name in shot?!

For whatever reason, when PBS stations were showing the Groucho Marx "You Bet You Life" shows, the NBC letters on his desk mike were fuzzed out. Hey! That's history that's being fuzzed out!

PBS has no problem leaving in the big "GERITOL" name when it appears in the background on the Lawrence Welk show. (Oh, right, Geritol does not cause cancer...)

Apparently, watching a competing commercial network does cause cancer. (Sorry; couldn't resist.)
 
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