TV 22 Beaumont

[JoesBros81]

Anyone have any info on this station? I know it was Kebq Tv before Rita hit a couple years ago. I noticed they are on cable channel 99 on Wed. nights in the BPT area doing live auction.

 

[CW]

Anyone have any info on this station? I know it was Kebq Tv before Rita hit a couple years ago. I noticed they are on cable channel 99 on Wed. nights in the BPT area doing live auction.

OMG!!! Someone knows about 22??? They have changed their call since Rita (now KUMY) and are affiliated with the MY network....(now if they ever get around to doing a legal ID....you never see or hear KUMY Beaumont..at least I havent)
Their transmitter is downtown on top of the "formerly known" Petroleum Building. doing a massive 2-3KW ERP iirc...on UHF, thats good for a few blocks....their studios are a few blocks away at the end of Bowie (an old empty warehouse)....how this station survives, noone knows...they aren't even operating under their licensed parameters (they are supposed to be on the former 1380 KRCM/107.9 KWIC tower site in SW Beaumont; which was recently taken down and they never were on it!).....and they have a CP to upgrade which will run out before they get anywhere.

The Ch69 translator in Vidor with its 12KW ERP gets out better than 22...(when either of them are on the air...which 22 leads in that)...

 

[JoesBros81]

Yea I cant even pick 22 up on rabbit ears

 

[CW]

Yea I cant even pick 22 up on rabbit ears

http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/FMTV-service-area?x=TX607981.html

is supposed to be their current service contour....but that IS IF they WERE operating as licensed..138KW at 330ft (HA!) Try 8KW if that much at 180ft.......and from a different xmtr site than what is licensed and that tower no longer exists!...if Barry Nadler of the FCC was still in Beaumont, 22 would NOT be on the air because of all the fines Barry would be writing to them...

 

[dhett]

In fairness to KUMY, the FCC doesn't always publish Special Temporary Authority requests and grants. They may be legal.

 

[CW]

In fairness to KUMY, the FCC doesn't always publish Special Temporary Authority requests and grants. They may be legal.

Ahhh yeah they do and under KUMY's file:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl?Facility_id=26953

NO STA is issued for their current operation....No legal TOH ID either; showing KUMY TV22 is NOT a legal ID....Last STA issued was an app to be SILENT....in 2005!

 

[CW]

AND to add to my previous post, where is 22's sister station, Channel 9???? They swapped calls with Channel 22 (the old KEBQ call) and its supposed to be ON the air...I dont see a STA for silent...but its NOT on the old American Tower it USED to be on (only FOX 64 is there..on the #2 tower, not the #1 where 9 was)...in fact, its MIA.

 

[dhett]

In fairness to KUMY, the FCC doesn't always publish Special Temporary Authority requests and grants. They may be legal.

Ahhh yeah they do and under KUMY's file:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl?Facility_id=26953

NO STA is issued for their current operation....No legal TOH ID either; showing KUMY TV22 is NOT a legal ID....Last STA issued was an app to be SILENT....in 2005!

What you seem to be missing is that in the minor modification application granted by the FCC on 5/3/2006, their building-top location is specified. So operation from there is legal. They have until 5/3/2009 to cover it with a license. As for TOH IDs, LPTV stations have an option: either the conventional ID, or an ID between frames of the picture, which would only show while vertically scrolling your picture. K34EE in Prescott/Cottonwood AZ employs such a tactic, and it's legal for LPTV stations.

 

[JoesBros81]

So im guessing this station isnt much of a blow torch?LoL Ive noticed the website has been down for awhile so maybe they are keeping a low profile?

 

[w9wi]

In fairness to KUMY, the FCC doesn't always publish Special Temporary Authority requests and grants. They may be legal.

Ahhh yeah they do and under KUMY's file:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl?Facility_id=26953

NO STA is issued for their current operation....No legal TOH ID either; showing KUMY TV22 is NOT a legal ID....Last STA issued was an app to be SILENT....in 2005!

Well, what dhett said was that the FCC doesn't always publish STAs - and he's absolutely right. Sometimes STAs show up, sometimes they don't.

As for TOH IDs, LPTV stations have an option: either the conventional ID, or an ID between frames of the picture, which would only show while vertically scrolling your picture. K34EE in Prescott/Cottonwood AZ employs such a tactic, and it's legal for LPTV stations.

I don't see anything in the LPTV regs that allows that. 74.783(c) requires LPTVs to comply with the same legal ID regulations that apply to full-power stations when they're originating programs.

(74.783(a)(1) and 74.783(a)(2) allow them to be identified by the station they're relaying, or by sending their call letters in Morse Code using a modulation scheme that usually won't decode on a standard TV, but only if they're relaying some other station. If they originate their own programs - which it what it sounds like KUMY is doing - then they must ID the same way as a full-power station.)

I suppose you could argue (in K34EE's case) that the ID is being made visually, and it's just that the viewers' TVs are adjusted in such a way that the ID is not visible at home. I sure wouldn't bet the standard fine for failing to ID on the Commission buying that interpretation!

I might venture a guess K34EE is going the Morse Code route. Or does KASW occasionally ID the translator? If the translator is IDd by its primary station, it does NOT have to ID every hour. (IDs are only required twice between 7-9am and twice between 3-5pm) In other words, I think what you're seeing in the vertical interval may not be what they consider the legal ID. KUMY may well also be doing the Morse Code thing.

 

[CW]

In fairness to KUMY, the FCC doesn't always publish Special Temporary Authority requests and grants. They may be legal.

Ahhh yeah they do and under KUMY's file:

http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/app_list.pl?Facility_id=26953

NO STA is issued for their current operation....No legal TOH ID either; showing KUMY TV22 is NOT a legal ID....Last STA issued was an app to be SILENT....in 2005!

What you seem to be missing is that in the minor modification application granted by the FCC on 5/3/2006, their building-top location is specified. So operation from there is legal. They have until 5/3/2009 to cover it with a license. As for TOH IDs, LPTV stations have an option: either the conventional ID, or an ID between frames of the picture, which would only show while vertically scrolling your picture. K34EE in Prescott/Cottonwood AZ employs such a tactic, and it's legal for LPTV stations.

AHh you need to check your facts before posting.....the location specified on the Mod to their CP is for their FINAL TOWER site, the 95.1 site owned by CC in S Vidor....NOT the building in downtown Beaumont...and they sure as HELL are not running 138KW !!
As to the LEGAL ID, I will have to check the rules but visual stations are supposed to give a legal ID in visual or aural...I have never heard about an ID between frames.

 

[CW]

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I don't see anything in the LPTV regs that allows that. 74.783(c) requires LPTVs to comply with the same legal ID regulations that apply to full-power stations when they're originating programs.

(74.783(a)(1) and 74.783(a)(2) allow them to be identified by the station they're relaying, or by sending their call letters in Morse Code using a modulation scheme that usually won't decode on a standard TV, but only if they're relaying some other station. If they originate their own programs - which it what it sounds like KUMY is doing - then they must ID the same way as a full-power station.)

I suppose you could argue (in K34EE's case) that the ID is being made visually, and it's just that the viewers' TVs are adjusted in such a way that the ID is not visible at home. I sure wouldn't bet the standard fine for failing to ID on the Commission buying that interpretation!

I might venture a guess K34EE is going the Morse Code route. Or does KASW occasionally ID the translator? If the translator is IDd by its primary station, it does NOT have to ID every hour. (IDs are only required twice between 7-9am and twice between 3-5pm) In other words, I think what you're seeing in the vertical interval may not be what they consider the legal ID. KUMY may well also be doing the Morse Code thing.

KUMY-LP is a LPTV, not a translator...it is not broadcasting another station. It is an affiliate of the the MY network...and most if not all their programming is network via sat except for local inserts from a VTR. If they doing the Morse Code, thats illegal for them...they must do the legal ID as a full service station...and they dont.....true, they arent a BIG operation but the rules are the rules.

 

[dhett]

What you seem to be missing is that in the minor modification application granted by the FCC on 5/3/2006, their building-top location is specified. So operation from there is legal. They have until 5/3/2009 to cover it with a license. As for TOH IDs, LPTV stations have an option: either the conventional ID, or an ID between frames of the picture, which would only show while vertically scrolling your picture. K34EE in Prescott/Cottonwood AZ employs such a tactic, and it's legal for LPTV stations.

AHh you need to check your facts before posting.....the location specified on the Mod to their CP is for their FINAL TOWER site, the 95.1 site owned by CC in S Vidor....NOT the building in downtown Beaumont...and they sure as HELL are not running 138KW !!
As to the LEGAL ID, I will have to check the rules but visual stations are supposed to give a legal ID in visual or aural...I have never heard about an ID between frames.

In Attachment 8, engineering exhibit ENG-1, they specify operation from a building-top location due to Hurricane Rita. The building's coordinates are 30 deg, 4', 51.31" N and 94 deg, 5', 58.27" W, which maps to a building at the south corner of Park and Fannin. I'm sure it's for temporary operations, as the CP specifies 30 deg, 3', 43" N and 93 deg, 58', 50" W as the final tower site, as you state. Nevertheless, my facts are correct; the building-top location is specified for operation in the granted CP, so it is a legal operation.

Engineering attachment: http://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/forms/prod/getattachment_exh.cgi?exhibit_id=368975


As for the ID, I know there is an alternative way for LPTV stations to ID, but it may in fact be limited to translators only, in which case, I stand corrected. I will research some more because I'm not certain of my facts on this point.

 

[dhett]

As for TOH IDs, LPTV stations have an option: either the conventional ID, or an ID between frames of the picture, which would only show while vertically scrolling your picture. K34EE in Prescott/Cottonwood AZ employs such a tactic, and it's legal for LPTV stations.

I don't see anything in the LPTV regs that allows that. 74.783(c) requires LPTVs to comply with the same legal ID regulations that apply to full-power stations when they're originating programs.

No, the regulation stipulates such compliance when they're originating local programming, as defined in 74.701(h), but if I read that subparagraph correctly, LPTV stations delivering satellite-fed programming are not considered to be originating local programming. So Morse Code transmission of their ID is legal per 74.783(a)(1) and 74.783(a)(2) if they're a satellite-fed station.

I don't find any verification of the call letters between frames, but you are correct about Morse Code transmission of the ID or translator IDs broadcast by the primary station.

 

[w9wi]

As for TOH IDs, LPTV stations have an option: either the conventional ID, or an ID between frames of the picture, which would only show while vertically scrolling your picture. K34EE in Prescott/Cottonwood AZ employs such a tactic, and it's legal for LPTV stations.

I don't see anything in the LPTV regs that allows that. 74.783(c) requires LPTVs to comply with the same legal ID regulations that apply to full-power stations when they're originating programs.

No, the regulation stipulates such compliance when they're originating local programming, as defined in 74.701(h), but if I read that subparagraph correctly, LPTV stations delivering satellite-fed programming are not considered to be originating local programming. So Morse Code transmission of their ID is legal per 74.783(a)(1) and 74.783(a)(2) if they're a satellite-fed station.

You're right - due to the absence of the word "local" in 74.783 I interpreted that as requiring a "regular" ID during satellite-fed material, but I didn't take note of the mention of 74.701(h) which indeed indicates the "regular" ID requirement doesn't apply to satellite-fed material.

 

[JoesBros81]

Ive been in contact with they guy that runs the station the past few weeks. He told me they are wanting to start local programming up again. He came to me to start a local sports show up (I use to host SportsTalk Live on KOLE radio). I think the hardest thing for them starting up local shows up will be trying to get sponsers. The recpection is loud and clear (with rabbit ears) down here in Mid-County. Channel 9 KEBQ signal is just around Beaumont and is turning into a Latino station he said. As far as 22 goes they are part of the local package on Direct TV now. Looks like they are trying to get things running full blown. I drove out there a couple weeks ago and met with the station manager and they just had new satillites installed outside of the building. Weather or not this station survives remains to be seen.

 

[marioj]

AHh you need to check your facts before posting.....the location specified on the Mod to their CP is for their FINAL TOWER site, the 95.1 site owned by CC in S Vidor....NOT the building in downtown Beaumont...and they sure as HELL are not running 138KW !!
As to the LEGAL ID, I will have to check the rules but visual stations are supposed to give a legal ID in visual or aural...I have never heard about an ID between frames.

Well, they do have "KUMY TV 22" running constantly in the lower left corner of the screen duing every show; does that count for an ID? To me, it is simply mind boggling that a station with an almost unviewable signal, no local content (not even commercials; when MNTV goes to local breaks, all you get on screen is the network logo for 2 minutes straight), and a programming "budget" that makes public access TV look like KFDM could be featured on DirecTV, while America's number 1 network and show are nowhere to be found.

 

[CW]

Well, they do have "KUMY TV 22" running constantly in the lower left corner of the screen duing every show; does that count for an ID? To me, it is simply mind boggling that a station with an almost unviewable signal, no local content (not even commercials; when MNTV goes to local breaks, all you get on screen is the network logo for 2 minutes straight), and a programming "budget" that makes public access TV look like KFDM could be featured on DirecTV, while America's number 1 network and show are nowhere to be found.

Their call is KUMY-LP.......just like KUIL is illegal in their ID...not KUIL, but KUIL-LP......but both are licensed as translators (and there is NO Morse Code IDs on either)...yet I have seen local programming on 22 (BidTV!!! where they auction items off which I could buy at Harbor Freight for the same or less money...what a joke) and 64; its called spots and shows they play from VTR or video server, NOT sat fed....I know RADIO translators are allowed 1min of local inserted programming per hour....but Im not sure about TV....to call them translators when all they show is sat fed programming (or 99% of the time) is a joke......a translator is supposed to be a retransmit of another BROADCAST signal...I dont count sat fed systems as translators (and yes, I HATE radio satellators that the religious right have all over the place polluting the airwaves)...I did some sat dish work for 22 2 years ago..never got paid and will never touch them again.....(nice transmitter site downtown but their "studios" look like a 1st year medical student wired it!!) KEBQ 9 is supposed to be on the same tower as 64 last I looked...and its was only 50watts ERP or so....a HAM TV system on 420 MHZ would have more ERP than that!

 

[JoesBros81]

Im not doing a sports show on there. IMHO its going to be hard to sell ads for a station no one can watch unless you have direct tv. Honestly in today's world how many people DO NOT have cable or dish?

 

[w9wi]

Their call is KUMY-LP.......just like KUIL is illegal in their ID...not KUIL, but KUIL-LP......but both are licensed as translators (and there is NO Morse Code IDs on either)...

How do you know there are no Morse IDs? (you can't tell with a regular TV, you need a communications receiver w/BFO.)