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TV Guide: Areas in Which More Than One Edition Was Sold?

Some recent comments on other threads about the coverage and listings of some old TVG editions reminded me of something.....

In my younger days, when I had the time, money, and energy to do some traveling, I often took road trips throughout the Southeast, and up and down the Atlantic seaboard. (Nowadays, I have plenty of time, but the other two factors are in severely short supply...) :(

Like any good TV geek, whenever I would make a pit stop to get a slushie or some chips at a C-store or tourist trap, I always looked to see if the local edition of TV Guide was available, so I could purchase a copy and immerse myself in the vagaries and variations of programming as we all liked to do.

Now, don't ask me to recount the specifics, as this was a lot of years ago. But I do recall that there were at least a couple of occasions where at a particular 7/11 or supermarket, I encountered not one, but TWO different TVG editions BOTH being sold on the newsstand. In each of these cases, the store had affixed a hand-lettered sign beneath each slot identifying which edition was which. (Again, while I don't recall the specifics, I have the impression that one of those incidents was in the VA-NC border region, the very area that was the subject of a recent thread.)

I assume, of course, that these were communities that were straddling the line between two editions, and perhaps folks either had to buy both to get listings for ALL the channels they watched, or perhaps choose one or the other based on their own personal viewing habits. (There ARE rural areas roughly equidistant between two TV markets in which the local divide between those that watched one city's stations versus the other's was as heated and debated as Coke vs. Pepsi.)

So, those of you who did some road trips back in the day and liked to collect TVGs -- did you ever encounter this and, if so, where? And the follow-up question is this: if you were a TVG subscriber, did the good folks in Radnor ever allow people to subscribe to more than one edition, or to subscribe to an edition not technically assigned to their area but reflecting more accurately the stations that were actually available OTA where they lived?
 
Southeastern Kentucky saw this phenomenon. Back in the day, it wasn't unusual for a single county to have a dozen cable systems. Since the markets weren't defined operators pulled in whatever they felt like. Pikeville was the perfect example. Their system received Charleston/Huntington, Bluefield, and Tri-Cities VA/TN. The Whitesburg cable system received signals from Huntington, Tri-cities VA/TN, Knoxville, Bluefield and occasionally Asheville, NC. In the case of Whitesburg, home delivery was the West Virginia edition while retail offered that edition and the Carolina-Tennessee edition. You just had to check before you purchased.
 
Right of the bat I can think of 3 places. Shenandoah County & Page County, Virginia and Franklin County, Pennsylvania.

Shenandoah County, VA is just north of Rockingham County ( Harrisonburg ) where WHSV/WSVA & WVPT are located. Since neither station appeared in the Washington-Baltimore edition but they did apeear in the Eastern Virginia edition ( Richmond-Hampton Roads ) many stores sold both editions of TV Guide. For a time it was the same in nearbt Page County but for some unknown reason even with WHSV's transmission towers nearby and with Richmond's WTVR and WWBT on the cable, the stores in Page/Luray ( around 1986 ) started carrying only the Washington-Baltimore editions.

Franklin County, PA which is north of Hagerstown, MD for years received both the Washington-Baltimore and Southeast Pennsylvania ( Lancaster-Harrisburg-York-Lebanaon ) edition. Franklin was for years the only Pennyslvania county to fall within Washington's DMA but other than nearby WHAG NBC 25, the Pennsylvania stations had more viewers ( Harrisburg's WHTM was and still is VERY popular there ). But despite that sometime in the early 90s, only the Washington-Baltimore edition was available. Over the years I have heard that the two Hagerstown stations at one time or another tried to get into the Southeast Pennsylvania edition but TV Guide said no, though again oddly Hagerstown's WJAL-TV 68 DID make it to the Washington-Baltimore edition even though their transmitter ( and most of their viewers ) were in Pennsylvania. Today Franklin County, PA is part of the Harrisburg-Lancaster-Youk market and other than WHAG and WJAL prettymuch most of the Washington channels have been removed.
 
In Dyersburg, TN the Memphis edition was sold in stores and it was also what I received in the mail. However I could go to Union City, about 30 miles away, and pick up the Paducah, KY edition. There was also a short time in the early 2000's When Hastings (a book/music/video chain) opened their store in Dyersburg that they sold the Nashville edition rather than the Memphis edition, because their magazines were coming from a distributor in Nashville. This really didn't make any sense because none of the Nashville area stations were reveivable in Dyersburg on the air and the closest cable system that carried them was from Jackson, about 40 miles away. This went on for a few months until it was corrected.
 
The closest I saw to this was here in DFW when some checkstands had the regular DFW edition, others in the same store would have an expanded/thicker version customized for the local cable system. I've not seen where 2 different markets were represented in the same store, though.
 
Yes I have. When I living in Culpeper, Virginia in the early-mid 80s I remember once I found both the old DC/Baltimore edition as well as the East Virginia edition which if I recall correctly carried Richmond, Norfolk/Virginia Beach/Hampton Roads, and listed WVIR in Charlottesville When I was living in Denver, I found it somewhat easy to find both the Denver edition as well as the Northern Colorado edition stocked both the same store.
 
...there were grocery stores in Tomah and Sparta, Wisconsin, that would get both the Wisconsin (Milwaukee, Green Bay, Madison, Wausau-Rhinelander, Marquette-Escanaba MI) and Minnesota editions of TV Guide in the late '90s. Depending on where you were in Monroe County, Wisconsin, you could get the Eau Claire, La Crosse, Madison and/or Wausau stations equally clearly. Both had listings for WEAU/13 Eau Claire, WEUX/48 Chippewa Falls and WKBT/8 La Crosse, but the Wisconsin edition mistakenly claimed WKOW/27 Madison, WQOW/18 Eau Claire and WXOW/19 La Crosse simulcast WAOW/9 Wausau; in the '60s and '70s, both WAOW and WXOW simulcast WKOW, and when WQOW cranked up it simulcast WXOW, but by the late '90s all four stations originated their own programming and TV Guide's editors were too lazy to reflect that in their listings...

...there was also a time in the mid-'60s when stores in Kenosha County, Wisconsin, got the TV Guides that listed both Chicago and Milwaukee stations, but subscribers in Kenosha itself were sent the Chicago-Rockford-South Bend edition in the mail...
 
There is one IGA store in Cherry Grove (North
Myrtle Beach), SC, where I never knew if I'd
be picking up the Eastern North Carolina or the
South Carolina Edition (one time, someone mistakenly
delivered the South Florida Edition to that store--
I swear, because I bought it).

Chatham County, NC (Eastern North Carolina) and
Randolph County, NC (Charlotte or Central North
Carolina) border each other. I have bought the Central
North Carolina Edition in Chatham and the Eastern North
Carolina one in Randolph. I used to find Central Virginia
at a convenience store about 20 miles west of Chapel
Hill in Alamance County (Charlotte/Central North Carolina),
but they quit carrying it because I was the only person
buying it.
 
anotherguy said:
In Dyersburg, TN the Memphis edition was sold in stores and it was also what I received in the mail. However I could go to Union City, about 30 miles away, and pick up the Paducah, KY edition. There was also a short time in the early 2000's When Hastings (a book/music/video chain) opened their store in Dyersburg that they sold the Nashville edition rather than the Memphis edition, because their magazines were coming from a distributor in Nashville. This really didn't make any sense because none of the Nashville area stations were reveivable in Dyersburg on the air and the closest cable system that carried them was from Jackson, about 40 miles away. This went on for a few months until it was corrected.
When I lived in Union City, we got Nashville Newschannel 5 on cable there, as well as channel 5 (a friendly 5) from Memphis, channel 6 from Paducah, channel 7 from Jackson, and channel 12 from Cape Girardeau. I wish we had gotten cable TV long before we did, because of channel 6's highly annoying habit of tape-delaying Saturday Night Live by an hour for many years! :mad: (That was actually the result of a compromise--they weren't going to carry it at all! :mad:) For many years, channel 6 was an NBC station only when it was convenient for them to be one! :mad: For that reason, I often wished we had lived in Dyersburg, so we could get our NBC from Memphis, rather than having to deal with backwards, backwoods Paducah! We needed channel 5 in Memphis to be NBC for us, whenever channel 6 was too preoccupied with Kentucky basketball! ::) Ironically enough, the Paducah, and especially the Cape Girardeau TV stations would come nearer to giving the daily temps for Dyersburg in their weather forecasts than they ever would for Union City, despite Union City being closer to Paducah and Cape Girardeau than Dyersburg is! The other problem was getting local west Tennessee news from any of these channels (other than channel 7), except for when something serious happened! And channel 7 unfortunately really did not have the resources to cover much news outside the immediate Jackson-Madison County area! Interesting that the Jackson Sun has newspaper racks in Union City, even though Obion County is not in their coverage/circulation area! ???

When I moved to Nashville (16 years ago this week!), I took my newschannel 5 viewing habit with me! ;D I still watch them here! 8)
 
Well interestingly enough in the San Bernardino Mountains many stores sold three editions... Los Angeles, San Diego and... Las Vegas.

Though apart of the Los Angeles market various parts of The San Bernardino Mountains are able to receive all three markets over-the-air. In fact San Diego stations are city-grade signal quality in Lake Arrowhead; Around Big Bear Las Vegas stations come over the air with city-grade signal quality... much better than OTA L.A. stations... so that may be a reason why three TV Guide editions were sold.

Even the small local newspapers in the mountain towns used to list all three markets in their TV listings.
 
firepoint525 said:
When I lived in Union City, we got Nashville Newschannel 5 on cable there, as well as channel 5 (a friendly 5) from Memphis, channel 6 from Paducah, channel 7 from Jackson, and channel 12 from Cape Girardeau. I wish we had gotten cable TV long before we did, because of channel 6's highly annoying habit of tape-delaying Saturday Night Live by an hour for many years! :mad: (That was actually the result of a compromise--they weren't going to carry it at all! :mad:) For many years, channel 6 was an NBC station only when it was convenient for them to be one! :mad: For that reason, I often wished we had lived in Dyersburg, so we could get our NBC from Memphis, rather than having to deal with backwards, backwoods Paducah! We needed channel 5 in Memphis to be NBC for us, whenever channel 6 was too preoccupied with Kentucky basketball! ::) Ironically enough, the Paducah, and especially the Cape Girardeau TV stations would come nearer to giving the daily temps for Dyersburg in their weather forecasts than they ever would for Union City, despite Union City being closer to Paducah and Cape Girardeau than Dyersburg is! The other problem was getting local west Tennessee news from any of these channels (other than channel 7), except for when something serious happened! And channel 7 unfortunately really did not have the resources to cover much news outside the immediate Jackson-Madison County area! Interesting that the Jackson Sun has newspaper racks in Union City, even though Obion County is not in their coverage/circulation area! ???

When I moved to Nashville (16 years ago this week!), I took my newschannel 5 viewing habit with me! ;D I still watch them here! 8)

I lived with my parents in the county outside Dyersburg, but I had an antenna with a rotor set up to get channels 3, 5, 10, 13, and 24 (weakly) in Memphis (30 and 50 were too weak to get regularly.), channels 7, 11, and 16 from Jackson, channel 6 in Paducah, channel 12 in Cape Girardeau and also channel 8 in Jonesboro, AR. I could also see most of the channels except for 8 on Cable One from my grandmother's and eventually my brother's house, so I was interested in getting the Paducah edition of TV Guide occasionally.

While channel 6 was bad about pre-empting shows for Kentucky basketball and delaying SNL, to me that wasn't as bad as how often channel 5 pre-empted NBC programming all through the day. In the 80's and early 90's they would drop almost all of NBC's daytime game shows and replaced them with syndicated talk shows. They also delayed David Letterman by an hour for years until he moved to CBS. Also, nothing else came before rasslin' on Saturday mornings. If a Major League Baseball game started early it would be joined in progress after rasslin' was over. If there was a second baseball game on Saturday, WMC would drop it and carry their block of syndicated country music shows no matter what. So to me although WPSD may have pre-empted or delayed some shows, WMC was even worse.
 
What channel 5 in Memphis did to NBC was very similar to what Washington DC's channel 9 did to CBS back in the 80's. Not only did then WDVM ( now WUSA ) pre-empted the morning CBS game shows ( sometimes including The Price Is Right ) but much of the saturday morning line-up was pre-empted too. Plus WDVM delayed their late night line-up by 30 minutes to show Divorce Court. And if that wasn't bad enough..twice a month, often without notice in the listings ( including TV Guide ), channel 9 would pre-empt the entire CBS prime time line-up for some World Vison special.

After a few years of this, our cable system in Virginia begin to carry Baltimore's WBAL-TV as a second CBS affiliate. And WBAL remains to this day even though WBAL switched to NBC years ago.

Even our local newspaper started to carry listings for WBAL. Since we got the Washington-Baltimore edition of TV Guide, of course there nothing changed.
 
In Lima, Ohio two editions were used..the Dayton and Southern Ohio edition...which also listed Columbus,Zanesville,Cincinnati and Lima. Lima however can receive stations from Toledo and those stations were listed in the Detroit edition which was rubber stamped to avoid confusion when put for sale in Lima.
Lima's station WIMA-TV(now WLIO) was not listed in the Detoit edition.
 
We're already getting a little far afield from what I was originally asking (but then, most threads on this board do that sooner or later). ;) I wasn't referring to areas in which different editions happened to be sold in different places simply because of being on the fringes of more than one TVG area, or between multiple major TV markets. I'm sure we could come up with many, many examples of that. I really meant places where there was more than one TVG edition on the shelves in the same store(s) at the same time. I just felt that this was a far more unusual situation and wondered where others had seen it happening.
 
Stanislav said:
We're already getting a little far afield from what I was originally asking (but then, most threads on this board do that sooner or later). ;) I wasn't referring to areas in which different editions happened to be sold in different places simply because of being on the fringes of more than one TVG area, or between multiple major TV markets.

Back in 1994, I stopped at a convenience store several miles inside the Tenn. line north of Florence, Ala. There were two stacks of TVGs, all of them stamped with the letters "NAL" (North Alabama) and whatever airport designation it is for Nashville.

Speaking of WPSD-6 in Paducah, they irritated me to no end during my time in Cape Girardeau (1978-82). The SNL tape-delay was bad enough, but they didn't carry SNL at all until 1979. I had to rely on another "friendly 5", that being KSD-TV in St. Louis, which our tall antenna could pull in. A bit fuzzy, but acceptable. Their flagrant preemptions for UK Wildcat basketball were legendary ..... sure, they're in Kentucky, but when you factor in their coverage area, their home state is but a fraction.

WMC-5 in Mempho was indeed making mincemeat of the NBC daytime schedule by the mid '80s, but for the most part I don't recall 5 preempting a whole lot of primetime, at least when I was in college in the Memphis area (Jonesboro, Ark.)

--Russell

--Russell
 
Question for Russell: Have you ever had an
opportunity to look for TV Guide in Heflin, AL?
I'm curious as to whether you could buy both
the Atlanta and Northern Alabama Editions there.
Cleburne County is in the Atlanta DMA but Birmingham
stations are available on cable, which is why I ask.

And to answer stanislav, my own personal experience
with a store that sold more than one edition is that
IGA store in Myrtle Beach. The problem was, the edition
that came in on any given week seemed to depend on
the whim of the deliverer--who might not have known
just which edition he was delivering. That's why I say
I never knew if I'd be getting Eastern North Carolina
or South Carolina when I went into that store. But I've
never been in a store that sold two different editions
side by side--unfortunately.
 
I grew up in Amesbury, MA, a northern suburb on the MA/NH state line. There was a tiny little local supermarket down the street that, at times, carried both the Boston and New Hampshire editions of TV Guide at the same time, side-by-side.

For cable viewers, the Boston edition was sufficient as it carried all broadcast stations available on the local cable. However, for over-the-air viewers, with just a decent set of rabbit ears, stations from Portland and southern Maine could be easily received all day long. Most notably, we could pull in ch. 6 WCSH (NBC), ch. 8 WMTW (ABC) and ch. 26 WMEA(?) (PBS), watchable anytime of the day. The Boston edition did not carry any of the Maine stations, whereas the NH edition did.
 
MikeyBos, the New Hampshire Edition carried 6, 8, 13, 26, 35 and 51 from Maine because it was sold in York County, Maine. I, myself, lived in Old Orchard Beach back from 1985 to 1987. I never did see any store there sell both the New Hampshire and Maine Editions together. O.O.B. sold the New Hampshire Edition while Scarborough, next door and over the Cumberland County line, sold the Maine Edition.

As for your reception report, did you ever get WGME-TV (CBS) channel 13 from Portland? Back then, your chances of getting WMTW-TV (ABC) channel 8 of Poland Spring, ME would have been better, since their transmitter was on Mount Washington at the time.
 
KML-224 said:
As for your reception report, did you ever get WGME-TV (CBS) channel 13 from Portland? Back then, your chances of getting WMTW-TV (ABC) channel 8 of Poland Spring, ME would have been better, since their transmitter was on Mount Washington at the time.

Kinda sad that WMTW left Mt. Washington -- a big and unique piece of broadcast history there. I always wondered what TV and FM reception was like from up there (especially when the transmitters were dark and there would be no imaging/overload on a receiver). I imagine that, even with a minimal antenna and under dead propagation conditions, you could probably have seen and heard most of New England's stations from there. If tropo was up, who knows? Back in the day, I should have talked my grandparents into doing the tourist thing with me to the top, so I could have at least carried a portable radio and/or Watchman and done a bandscan. (Has anyone ever done so?)
 
Stanislav said:
KML-224 said:
As for your reception report, did you ever get WGME-TV (CBS) channel 13 from Portland? Back then, your chances of getting WMTW-TV (ABC) channel 8 of Poland Spring, ME would have been better, since their transmitter was on Mount Washington at the time.

Kinda sad that WMTW left Mt. Washington -- a big and unique piece of broadcast history there. I always wondered what TV and FM reception was like from up there (especially when the transmitters were dark and there would be no imaging/overload on a receiver). I imagine that, even with a minimal antenna and under dead propagation conditions, you could probably have seen and heard most of New England's stations from there. If tropo was up, who knows? Back in the day, I should have talked my grandparents into doing the tourist thing with me to the top, so I could have at least carried a portable radio and/or Watchman and done a bandscan. (Has anyone ever done so?)

...when I visited Dorval, Quebec, in June 1980, WMTW was one of no less than three different Channel 8s carried on the cable system on the West End of the Île de Montréal, and the picture quality (or hash, most frequently) clearly indicated it was an OTA pickup rather than microwaved. The other two were CJOH-8 from Cornwall, Ontario, relaying Ottawa's CTV affiliate CJOH-TV/13, and CHEM/8, the TVA affiliate in Trois-Rivières, Quebec...
 
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