tv Land:

[Radio_bored-Op]

It seems when ever i tune into Tv Land, or the
residents at the 'retirement castle' i work at want
to watch the good ol' TV, it is tv-Land, and yes
some times, it has a nic at nite feel,
but mostly has a "American as apple pie" feel to it.

 

[azumanga]

Did Viacom pay you to say that? TV Land has one of the worst schedules and programming on cable today. You can only watch a classic like "The Cosby Show" so many times before you get tired of it from the nightly marathons of the show.

 

[Irishfl]

Did Viacom pay you to say that? TV Land has one of the worst schedules and programming on cable today. You can only watch a classic like "The Cosby Show" so many times before you get tired of it from the nightly marathons of the show.

He has a very slow connection. He really posted this on April 6, 2003, when tvland was still ok, but we finally saw it today.

 

[kenrayc]

Tv land really needs to add and dump some shows ,ther schedule with Cosby, gunsmoke,Bonanza, Andy Griffith has been on to long.I think RTN offers better programming.

 

[radiolives]

How is it that TV Land isn't able to show classics but Turner Classic is able to show classic movies. Now when I turn on TV Land it either airing a movie like Cocktail or something new.

 

[whit979]

How does TV Land think anybody is watching these B-movies that people can probably watch in the clear online anyway. It's like they paid somebody to go to one of those old movie sales that the video rental stores have every so often, and buy up everything in the bargain bin.

 

[therealjm12]

TV Land is apparently looking for a younger audience (especially women) and the Hell with their core audience. These movies are pretty worthless and can found several places elsewhere on the dial. The reality shows the have are just plain stupid - but I guess they must appeal to someone. And they are beating the few good shows they have into the ground. It's too bad they have gone that way. On my cable system they are the only channel that show any of the classics (well, WGN does have a few).
I have had some contact, professionally, with TV Land and found them to be very arrogant. They certainly don't care what any of us on this board or anyone else think of their programing. Audience input is not requested.

 

[Garrett]

It seems when ever i tune into Tv Land, or the
residents at the 'retirement castle' i work at want
to watch the good ol' TV, it is tv-Land, and yes
some times, it has a nic at nite feel,
but mostly has a "American as apple pie" feel to it.

i think tvs are good cause you can use to watch cable and that is very nice.

 

[azumanga]

I have had some contact, professionally, with TV Land and found them to be very arrogant. They certainly don't care what any of us on this board or anyone else think of their programing. Audience input is not requested.

In other words, TV Land is nothing more than an expensive "toy" for Viacom, there for their own pleasure only. What the public thinks of it (and, probably, what the cable systems think of it as well) is immaterial to them.

 

[kenrayc]

Along with RTN ,WGN Sunday retro night is better than TV LAND.

 

[anotherguyTN]

TV Land is apparently looking for a younger audience (especially women) and the Hell with their core audience.  These movies are pretty worthless and can found several places elsewhere on the dial.  The reality shows the have are just plain stupid - but I guess they must appeal to someone. And they are beating the few good shows they have into the ground.  It's too bad they have gone that way.  On my cable system they are the only channel that show any of the classics (well, WGN does have a few).
I have had some contact, professionally, with TV Land and found them to be very arrogant.  They certainly don't care what any of us on this board or anyone else  think of their programing.   Audience input is not requested.

I've posted on TV Land's discussion board in the past, expecially during the furor last year over the overkill with High School Reunion. There were numerous threads complaining about it, but their person who responded to questions and comments did nothing but try to justify the network's actions. And if other networks that have classic TV like RTN and WGN were mentioned the posts would be deleted until enough posters complained that they finally started an "Other Networks" forum. I totally agree that TV Land's management cares about nothing but demographics and dollars, regardless of what the viewers want. But then that's the way Viacom is with all their networks.  :-\

 

[imhomerjay]

In other words, TV Land is nothing more than an expensive "toy" for Viacom, there for their own pleasure only. What the public thinks of it (and, probably, what the cable systems think of it as well) is immaterial to them.

Ah, it's so much fun to watch the folks who want a business to be run completely illogically. What the public thinks is quite clearly measured by the ratings. And those have gone up. Since that's the goal of their business, then, yes, it is being run for the benefit of Viacom, much like the pizza joint down the street is being run for the benefit of the owner, or the landscape business for its owner. It's quite material what the target audience does (not thinks).

Perhaps its time for a large portion of the population to take business 101.

 

[BRNout]

Yeah homerjay, any Harvard MBA will tell you that ALL businesses in a given industry should go after exactly the same market. Not different niches or subsectors, but the SAME group as everyone else does. Brilliant.

If you don't already work for Viacom, perhaps you should submit your CV. They'd love you over there.

 

[Radio_bored-Op]

dam.
all i said was tv Land "isnt that bad"...
i recall a thread on here, and the world ending,
on the same day the sky was falling when they
added Scrubs... btw, thats still on right ?? or
did they try some thing and move on ( i reely dont know)
trying to look smart if they dropped it... like they did
w/ night court. . . it had a great run (tvLand,reRun ) and
once i (BIG)fan of the show, started to see the same episodes
again, and *almost*again, at the 7/then 8am time spot it
was removed....keeping the reRun's "fresh" no over kill....
*on certain shows*

like any media outlet keep the sure shots, the hits, the things
that work, and sprinkle in - a few treats here and there....

*?
question:
how is TVLAND, different ( esp. to the GENERAL public) who does NOT
read this forum, compare/contrast/or differ, from the "local" fox [or my tv]
affiliate showing the same ol' simpsons(yes, big fan but) ...the
simpsons/family guy hour, 2 1/2 men; seinfeld, and/or judge judy...
over and over, nightly for 4-6 hours each evening.......

sure tvLand is national , but in this example, since the GENERAL viewing
audience, thinks(views) selfishly, meaning, Im in Buffalo - i watch Buffalo stations..
and presumes every one is watching this too.....

(this can be supported , in reverse ) why I have to explain national versus
local programming, when a....tbs, "jack in the box" commercial comes on
and the room at work, asks why does (buffalo's)tbs/time warner cable advertise
a place not in this state...
aND it goes to show you - people will be content w/ what is offered...

 

[kenrayc]

Funny thing you mention Night Court,lok what TV Land replaced it with 3 Hours of Informercails,that really great ,theres 5 low power stations in my market thats all they run,All I'm saying is they need to lighten up on shows like Cosby and Andy Griffith which they ran in to the ground. I still think RTN and WGN is better at classic tv.

 

[imhomerjay]

Aw, you do love the art of hyperbole, huh, Brn?

Nowhere did I say everyone was going after the same demo. In fact, that is demonstrably false. Lifetime, Spike, ESPN, Nickelodon, Noggin and TV One hardly seek exactly the same audience, now do they? In fact, what TV Land is going after IS a subset of the audience: their target is the upper end of the more desirable taget demo, while a number of other general entertainment networks go after the lower end of the demos. (Oh, those pesky facts....how they interfere with a good, illogical you-kids-get-off-my-lawn type rant.)

What a remotely smart businessperson will tell you is the same as a fisherman would: you go fishing where the fish are. The audience they want today is not entirely dissimilar to the one from a decade or more ago, but the people in that audience have changed. The anecdotal exceptions are irrelevant. Trends matter.

Your willful blind ignorance ignores ratings success and never logically refutes that a business is in business to be successful, not please some die-hard cranks who think yet more Gunsmoke is somehow going to make them more money.

 

[rch66]

Along with RTN ,WGN Sunday retro night is better than TV LAND.

Add Hallmark to list, and also now add FamilyNet.
FamilyNet recently started carrying: Happy Days, Family Ties, My Three Sons, and Early Edition.
Fios carries FamilyNet, but the affiliates that air some FN programming aren't airing these shows.

Nick at Nite sometimes runs something old time at 3am-6am, but Nick/TV Land don't show the closing
credits, do popups during the show, and slam in too much advertising in general, including in the opening
of the show.

 

[rch66]

How is it that TV Land isn't able to show classics but Turner Classic is able to show classic movies. Now when I turn on TV Land it either airing a movie like Cocktail or something new.

And they are commercial free. However, Comcast and some other systems are moving TCM up to higher tiers, essentially making it like a "lite premium" channel. Perhaps some entity (not Viacom!) needs to start a commercial free lite premium classic TV network for digital cable/ digital sat.

With TV Land, its different. The contract conditions with Viacom, indicate that cable and sat systems often have to offer it in the lowest tiers (primary audience is still analog cable). It's tied to all these channels:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Viacom

I see that NickGAS is exclusive to Dish Network, so I think even Dish has some beneficial arrangement with Viacom now. For the most part, if a provider like DirecTV, even if they are targeting the affluent customer, wants to continue offering Comedy Central (so viewers will continue getting Daily Show, Colbert fix) and Nickelodeon (to please families with kids), the provider has to carry MTV, and a dozen of other so-so to less and less desirable channels, that are questionable if they are still worth it in the end.

Viacom benefits in that they can get away with bundling.

And, while Fios is adding more competition in the country locally and among the carriers , they're business model right now is to just carry every cable channel, sell TV at a low price, (thus, not make too much money from it, but instead for the time, increase market share rapidly), but continue making money from their traditional services (unbundled phone services).