Is your newspaper's Sunday TV section worth the paper it's printed on? What do/don't you like? It seems all the big papers in Texas have cut -- and continue to cut -- their offerings. Is this happening elsewhere? Has anyone's hometown paper killed the Sunday TV section altogether? Just curious what's going on around the country ...
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Mark_Ericson
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> Is your newspaper's Sunday TV section worth the paper it's
> printed on? What do/don't you like? It seems all the big
> papers in Texas have cut -- and continue to cut -- their
> offerings. Is this happening elsewhere? Has anyone's
> hometown paper killed the Sunday TV section altogether? Just
> curious what's going on around the country ...
I like mine, they have listings that are good enough for me, except that they still don't list the cable- and digital-only WB station, instead opting to list both WJPR and WFXR, which are simulcasters...
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> printed on? What do/don't you like? It seems all the big
> papers in Texas have cut -- and continue to cut -- their
> offerings. Is this happening elsewhere? Has anyone's
> hometown paper killed the Sunday TV section altogether? Just
> curious what's going on around the country ...
I like mine, they have listings that are good enough for me, except that they still don't list the cable- and digital-only WB station, instead opting to list both WJPR and WFXR, which are simulcasters...
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KMRichards
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> Is your newspaper's Sunday TV section worth the paper it's
> printed on? What do/don't you like? It seems all the big
> papers in Texas have cut -- and continue to cut -- their
> offerings. Is this happening elsewhere? Has anyone's
> hometown paper killed the Sunday TV section altogether? Just
> curious what's going on around the country ...
I posted the format of the Los Angeles Times' Sunday television book in a thread on this subject back in September 2004:
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=265211&Board=tv-usa>http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=265211&Board=tv-usa</a>
It's essentially unchanged since then.<P ID="signature">______________
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> printed on? What do/don't you like? It seems all the big
> papers in Texas have cut -- and continue to cut -- their
> offerings. Is this happening elsewhere? Has anyone's
> hometown paper killed the Sunday TV section altogether? Just
> curious what's going on around the country ...
I posted the format of the Los Angeles Times' Sunday television book in a thread on this subject back in September 2004:
<a target="_blank" href=http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=265211&Board=tv-usa>http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=265211&Board=tv-usa</a>
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The TV section of the Dallas Morning news is better than the "old" TV Guide was the last couple of years.
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Tom_Desmond
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> The TV section of the Dallas Morning news is better than the
> "old" TV Guide was the last couple of years.
Agreed. The Sunday TV listings in the Morning News are quite usable...aside from the fact that many, many folks wish that they'd staple the thing together instead of having the pages loose.
On the other hand, the listings in the daily version of the Dallas Morning News have gotten steadily less and less useful. Now, they only show primetime listings in the daily paper whereas a few years ago, they still had full-day listings for the local broadcast channels.
> "old" TV Guide was the last couple of years.
Agreed. The Sunday TV listings in the Morning News are quite usable...aside from the fact that many, many folks wish that they'd staple the thing together instead of having the pages loose.
On the other hand, the listings in the daily version of the Dallas Morning News have gotten steadily less and less useful. Now, they only show primetime listings in the daily paper whereas a few years ago, they still had full-day listings for the local broadcast channels.
JeeperOne
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Hi everyone:
> > Is your newspaper's Sunday TV section worth the paper it's
>
> > printed on? What do/don't you like? It seems all the big
> > papers in Texas have cut -- and continue to cut -- their
> > offerings. Is this happening elsewhere? Has anyone's
> > hometown paper killed the Sunday TV section altogether?
> Just
> > curious what's going on around the country ...
Here's what in both the Denver dailies...
WEEKDAYS:
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DENVER POST: FULL Prime Time Grids plus FULL non-grid hour-by-hour daytime listings FOR EVERY STATION IN COLORADO printed in the paper. (The one flaw it has [or at least HAD] is that it still lists Channel 27 in Grand Junction as a low-power FOX affiliate rather than a CP UPN affiliate. As a result of this, it doesn't list KQFX 4, the current FOX affiliate).
ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS: FULL Prime-Time Grids plus non-grid hour-by-hour daytime for Denver area stations printed in the paper.
All the major cable channels are included in the Prime-Time Grids only in both papers.
SUNDAYS:
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DENVER POST: Distributes "TV Dial" which is the booklet the Rocky Mountain News would distribute when it published a Sunday paper.
ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS: Does not publish a Sunday paper.
The News & Post are both owned by Tribune.
Cheers for now
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> > Is your newspaper's Sunday TV section worth the paper it's
>
> > printed on? What do/don't you like? It seems all the big
> > papers in Texas have cut -- and continue to cut -- their
> > offerings. Is this happening elsewhere? Has anyone's
> > hometown paper killed the Sunday TV section altogether?
> Just
> > curious what's going on around the country ...
Here's what in both the Denver dailies...
WEEKDAYS:
=========
DENVER POST: FULL Prime Time Grids plus FULL non-grid hour-by-hour daytime listings FOR EVERY STATION IN COLORADO printed in the paper. (The one flaw it has [or at least HAD] is that it still lists Channel 27 in Grand Junction as a low-power FOX affiliate rather than a CP UPN affiliate. As a result of this, it doesn't list KQFX 4, the current FOX affiliate).
ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS: FULL Prime-Time Grids plus non-grid hour-by-hour daytime for Denver area stations printed in the paper.
All the major cable channels are included in the Prime-Time Grids only in both papers.
SUNDAYS:
========
DENVER POST: Distributes "TV Dial" which is the booklet the Rocky Mountain News would distribute when it published a Sunday paper.
ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS: Does not publish a Sunday paper.
The News & Post are both owned by Tribune.
Cheers for now
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can_hfx
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The Chronicle Hearld in Nova Scotia has a good TV supplement, The Mayflower TV Guide has all the local stations as well as virtually all the stations carried on analog cable in Nova Scotia. Listings for daytime are in an easy to read list with channel names, and primetime is a grid (still easy to read.) Pretty much made TV Guide redundant in these parts.
The Daily News uses a TV Guide like grid format (for a while they had TV Guide carried every Saturday.)
The Daily News uses a TV Guide like grid format (for a while they had TV Guide carried every Saturday.)
> Is your newspaper's Sunday TV section worth the paper it's
> printed on? What do/don't you like? It seems all the big
> papers in Texas have cut -- and continue to cut -- their
> offerings. Is this happening elsewhere? Has anyone's
> hometown paper killed the Sunday TV section altogether? Just
> curious what's going on around the country ...
>
The Cedar Rapids (Iowa) Gazette has a very nice TV section in Saturday morning's paper. It lists in grid form all broadcast channels in eastern Iowa, plus virtually all channels on area cable systems.
One quirk... instead of listing broadcast channels in numerical order, they're by network... all the ABC stations, then CBS, etc. Why? It puts the newspaper's TV station, ABC affiliate KCRG-TV, first in the listings.
> printed on? What do/don't you like? It seems all the big
> papers in Texas have cut -- and continue to cut -- their
> offerings. Is this happening elsewhere? Has anyone's
> hometown paper killed the Sunday TV section altogether? Just
> curious what's going on around the country ...
>
The Cedar Rapids (Iowa) Gazette has a very nice TV section in Saturday morning's paper. It lists in grid form all broadcast channels in eastern Iowa, plus virtually all channels on area cable systems.
One quirk... instead of listing broadcast channels in numerical order, they're by network... all the ABC stations, then CBS, etc. Why? It puts the newspaper's TV station, ABC affiliate KCRG-TV, first in the listings.
Tribune doesn't own either paper
> not publish a Sunday paper.
> >
> > The News & Post are both owned by Tribune.
> >
> > Cheers for now
> >
>
> Were the Post and the Rocky ever "feudin'" papers? I.e.
> full-fledged rivals? When did they become sisters? When
> did Tribune buy them?
Tribune doesn't own them. Never has. (Can't - they own KWGN in the market.)
The News is owned by Dean Singleton's MediaNews Corp., while the Rocky is one of the flagship papers of Scripps Howard. Until about five years ago, they were full-fledged seven-day rivals, and the fight for circulation was pretty vicious.
Then they entered a JOA (Joint Operating Agreement), under which they maintain competing newsrooms but share a joint ad-sales department. Only the Rocky publishes on Saturday, and only the Post publishes on Sunday. Revenues are shared between the two companies.
Similar agreements have kept nominally rival papers operating in places like Detroit, Salt Lake City and Seattle for many years. Other JOAs have been dissolved in recent years in San Francisco, Birmingham and a few other cities.<P ID="signature">______________
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> not publish a Sunday paper.
> >
> > The News & Post are both owned by Tribune.
> >
> > Cheers for now
> >
>
> Were the Post and the Rocky ever "feudin'" papers? I.e.
> full-fledged rivals? When did they become sisters? When
> did Tribune buy them?
Tribune doesn't own them. Never has. (Can't - they own KWGN in the market.)
The News is owned by Dean Singleton's MediaNews Corp., while the Rocky is one of the flagship papers of Scripps Howard. Until about five years ago, they were full-fledged seven-day rivals, and the fight for circulation was pretty vicious.
Then they entered a JOA (Joint Operating Agreement), under which they maintain competing newsrooms but share a joint ad-sales department. Only the Rocky publishes on Saturday, and only the Post publishes on Sunday. Revenues are shared between the two companies.
Similar agreements have kept nominally rival papers operating in places like Detroit, Salt Lake City and Seattle for many years. Other JOAs have been dissolved in recent years in San Francisco, Birmingham and a few other cities.<P ID="signature">______________
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> The Cedar Rapids (Iowa) Gazette has a very nice TV section
> in Saturday morning's paper. It lists in grid form all
> broadcast channels in eastern Iowa, plus virtually all
> channels on area cable systems.
>
> One quirk... instead of listing broadcast channels in
> numerical order, they're by network... all the ABC stations,
> then CBS, etc. Why? It puts the newspaper's TV station,
> ABC affiliate KCRG-TV, first in the listings.
>
The Brattleboro (Vermont) Reformer has much the same thing. The broadcast channels are also listed by network, with ABC at the top, followed by CBS, NBC and PBS. To my knowledge the paper has no broadcast interests in the northeast, but rather they are showing off the fact that they know how to use the alphabet...sort of. Things seem a bit random below PBS. They still list WTBS (sic) in the "broadcast" section as channel 17, but they finally caught on to the fact that Worcester's channel 27 is no longer WSMW.<P ID="signature">______________
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> in Saturday morning's paper. It lists in grid form all
> broadcast channels in eastern Iowa, plus virtually all
> channels on area cable systems.
>
> One quirk... instead of listing broadcast channels in
> numerical order, they're by network... all the ABC stations,
> then CBS, etc. Why? It puts the newspaper's TV station,
> ABC affiliate KCRG-TV, first in the listings.
>
The Brattleboro (Vermont) Reformer has much the same thing. The broadcast channels are also listed by network, with ABC at the top, followed by CBS, NBC and PBS. To my knowledge the paper has no broadcast interests in the northeast, but rather they are showing off the fact that they know how to use the alphabet...sort of. Things seem a bit random below PBS. They still list WTBS (sic) in the "broadcast" section as channel 17, but they finally caught on to the fact that Worcester's channel 27 is no longer WSMW.<P ID="signature">______________
It is better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt.
-- Samuel Langhorne Clemens
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Re: Tribune doesn't own either paper
> Only the Rocky publishes on Saturday,
> and only the Post publishes on Sunday. Revenues are shared
> between the two companies.
>
> Similar agreements have kept nominally rival papers
> operating in places like Detroit, Salt Lake City and Seattle
> for many years.
In Detroit's case, The Detroit News and the Detroit Free Press had a similar JOA relationship going since the late-1980s -- both had their own newspapers on weekdays, but they shared the weekend editions, with the Free Press getting the front section, sports and business sections on Staurdays, and the News getting them on Sundays. (The masthead on the weekend editions read "The Detroit News and Free Press".) Also, comics and features from both papers are included on both days.
As for TV listings, the News has their own listings for Saturday on that day, while the Free Press has the "TV Book" magazine on Sundays -- the metro editions feature all local channels (plus CBET in Windsor, WFUM in Flint and WGTE in Toledo) and major cable channels in all-day grids, plus the "fringe" terrestrial channels from Lansing, Toledo, Flint (WJRT), Sarnia and Windsor (TVO) in prime-time grids; the state edition features most full-powered over-the-air channels in the state, from Calumet to Toledo (no listings for South Bend, Chicago, Wisconsin or Duluth) in a non-grid format, with the generic network and very major cable channels in prime-time grids.
A neutral company, the Detroit Newspaper Parenership, sells ads, prints and distributes both papers.
However, the JOA is now in the process of undoing itself -- until late last year, the News was owned by Gannett, while Knight Ridder owned the Free Press. Late last year, K-R sold the Free Press (and a few other papers) to Gannett, while Gannett sold the News to the aforementioned MediaNews Group. Later this spring, both the News and Free Press will have separate Saturday editions, with the Free Press being the only Detroit paper on Sundays.
> Only the Rocky publishes on Saturday,
> and only the Post publishes on Sunday. Revenues are shared
> between the two companies.
>
> Similar agreements have kept nominally rival papers
> operating in places like Detroit, Salt Lake City and Seattle
> for many years.
In Detroit's case, The Detroit News and the Detroit Free Press had a similar JOA relationship going since the late-1980s -- both had their own newspapers on weekdays, but they shared the weekend editions, with the Free Press getting the front section, sports and business sections on Staurdays, and the News getting them on Sundays. (The masthead on the weekend editions read "The Detroit News and Free Press".) Also, comics and features from both papers are included on both days.
As for TV listings, the News has their own listings for Saturday on that day, while the Free Press has the "TV Book" magazine on Sundays -- the metro editions feature all local channels (plus CBET in Windsor, WFUM in Flint and WGTE in Toledo) and major cable channels in all-day grids, plus the "fringe" terrestrial channels from Lansing, Toledo, Flint (WJRT), Sarnia and Windsor (TVO) in prime-time grids; the state edition features most full-powered over-the-air channels in the state, from Calumet to Toledo (no listings for South Bend, Chicago, Wisconsin or Duluth) in a non-grid format, with the generic network and very major cable channels in prime-time grids.
A neutral company, the Detroit Newspaper Parenership, sells ads, prints and distributes both papers.
However, the JOA is now in the process of undoing itself -- until late last year, the News was owned by Gannett, while Knight Ridder owned the Free Press. Late last year, K-R sold the Free Press (and a few other papers) to Gannett, while Gannett sold the News to the aforementioned MediaNews Group. Later this spring, both the News and Free Press will have separate Saturday editions, with the Free Press being the only Detroit paper on Sundays.
Bumped after at least 3 years for my question:
With the DTV transition occurring among some stations this past Tuesday, for papers which still publish a local TV insert, have any of you noticed any major changes in the format/presentation of the newspaper TV listings to reflect the digital switchover (e.g. listings for subchannels such as RTN, distant channel listings dropped, etc.).
With the DTV transition occurring among some stations this past Tuesday, for papers which still publish a local TV insert, have any of you noticed any major changes in the format/presentation of the newspaper TV listings to reflect the digital switchover (e.g. listings for subchannels such as RTN, distant channel listings dropped, etc.).
Pat Cook said:Hi everyone:
> > Is your newspaper's Sunday TV section worth the paper it's
>
> > printed on? What do/don't you like? It seems all the big
> > papers in Texas have cut -- and continue to cut -- their
> > offerings. Is this happening elsewhere? Has anyone's
> > hometown paper killed the Sunday TV section altogether?
> Just
> > curious what's going on around the country ...
Here's what in both the Denver dailies...
WEEKDAYS:
=========
DENVER POST: FULL Prime Time Grids plus FULL non-grid hour-by-hour daytime listings FOR EVERY STATION IN COLORADO printed in the paper. (The one flaw it has [or at least HAD] is that it still lists Channel 27 in Grand Junction as a low-power FOX affiliate rather than a CP UPN affiliate. As a result of this, it doesn't list KQFX 4, the current FOX affiliate).
ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS: FULL Prime-Time Grids plus non-grid hour-by-hour daytime for Denver area stations printed in the paper.
All the major cable channels are included in the Prime-Time Grids only in both papers.
SUNDAYS:
========
DENVER POST: Distributes "TV Dial" which is the booklet the Rocky Mountain News would distribute when it published a Sunday paper.
ROCKY MOUNTAIN NEWS: Does not publish a Sunday paper.
The News & Post are both owned by Tribune.
Cheers for now
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The Post is owned by the MediaNews Group of Denver which owns 55 other daily papers and tv station KTVA in Anchorage. Hearst owns a bit more than 30% of MediaNews. The Rocky Mountain News is owned by the E. W. Scripps Company, but it is for sale and may be closed down. That seems to be Scripps specialty. They have closed amost half the newspapers they have owned. Both papers are published by The Denver Newspaper Agency under a joint operating agreement designed to preserve editorial competition. Combined business operations are managed by The Agency, which is equally owned by MediaNews and The E. W. Scripps Co.
Edit: I did not see Mr. Fybush's post before I typed mine.
The Freep and News haven't implemented their home-delivery cutback just yet, but when it happens, it will be the same days for everyone - Thursdays, Fridays and Sundays, if memory serves, will be the only days the papers are delivered.
As for the new question on the table: at least in my experience traveling the country, papers have a hard enough time getting calls and affiliations right for whatever stations they do list, so adding new DTV subchannels is probably too much to expect at most of them. In general, when they do get added to listings, it's because they're carrying either one of the major networks or because they're carrying CW or My and have basic cable carriage as well.
For instance, my local ABC affiliate, Newport's WHAM-TV 13, runs CW on 13.2/cable 16. It's listed in the Rochester paper with both channel numbers, right between 13 itself and WXXI-TV 21 in the grid.
As for the new question on the table: at least in my experience traveling the country, papers have a hard enough time getting calls and affiliations right for whatever stations they do list, so adding new DTV subchannels is probably too much to expect at most of them. In general, when they do get added to listings, it's because they're carrying either one of the major networks or because they're carrying CW or My and have basic cable carriage as well.
For instance, my local ABC affiliate, Newport's WHAM-TV 13, runs CW on 13.2/cable 16. It's listed in the Rochester paper with both channel numbers, right between 13 itself and WXXI-TV 21 in the grid.
Madmansam said:
By contrast, the SF Chronicle just brought back more complete TV listings..."by popular demand"...so I guess some people care.
I can't think of the last time I used TV listings in the newspaper...a number of years, for sure.
Tim from Springfield said:
Bumped again after yesterday's final digital transition.
Here in Springfield, IL (we get the State Journal-Register's TV insert on Saturdays), no changes in the number of OTA stations listed since yesterday's final transition--only the Springfield/Decatur/Champaign and St. Louis stations remain in the listings. Ever since the '50s the SJR used to also carry Peoria and Quincy/Hannibal stations in their TV insert (and even for a few years KTVO-3 Kirksville, MO/Ottumwa, IA from 2001-03 despite most of the coverage area not even getting the station and/or receiving WCIA-3 Champaign instead--nearly 15 years after the KTVO 200-foot transmitter near Colony, MO collapsed which may have brought station reception into the extreme western parts of the State Journal-Register coverage area around Rushville or Pittsfield), but they were inexplicably dropped in late 2003 in favor of just the Springfield market stations and St. Louis only.
It will be interesting to see tomorrow (in whatever papers still have a Sunday TV insert), but have any of you noticed changes in your paper's TV listings after the final digital transition (e.g. listings for subchannels, distant stations dropped, new stations added, etc.)?
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