Here’s more info behind Sister Circle’s axing:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertai...ns-talk-show-sister-circle-was-canceled.html/
https://www.cheatsheet.com/entertai...ns-talk-show-sister-circle-was-canceled.html/
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TV Show Cancellation Thread (including ending ones)
- Thread starter ChocoMingo
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https://www.tvinsider.com/932249/god-friended-me-american-idol-ratings-sunday-april-26-2020/
Since I was comparing the results of one program to another, the other program could expect the same additional viewers to watch via DVR thus not changing the relative difference in viewers.
While the Modern Family finale did flop per expectations, God Friended Me delivered winning total viewers against American Idol and handing ABC an embarrassment for the night. CBS really tore it up last night from 7PM on. For the very expensive American Idol to lose could not have been good news for ABC.
Mad Men called. They their 1960’s take on how media works back.
Reality is knocking. Your choice to accept it or not.
Again, time slots make a huge difference for appointment viewing. In the day and age where DVR or streaming is common, many viewers will save or watch season or series finale's for later viewing. Lead-in's are also important. Those already watching a show like 60 Minutes on Sunday, are more likely to stick around for a following show.
My wife used to appointment-watch Survivor Wednesday nights. Now that it's available on Amazon Fire/CBS On Demand, she can watch it when convenient. That doesn't mean one can make the reach that the show is tanking with Women.
Really? You don't say. It's almost as if there are more than one metric.
The point is not that people watch shows they've recorded or On Demand after they've aired, it's that fans do this for all shows. Therefore, when comparing the relative ratings for a show as compared to their competitors, one can infer that there will be people watching the show on a delayed basis. Unless there is some evidence that a greater proportion will watch it on a delayed basis than the competing show, it's fair to assume the same proportion will making the comparison of which show had higher ratings unaffected by this. I think you understand this, but another commenter has serious difficulty with even the most basic logic.
You cannot assume a consistent proportion of delayed viewership across shows. Consistent results show some shows are considerably better performers in the DVR and on-demand space. Likewise, you cannot make an assumption that the same percentages will happen for the same series under circumstances such as a finale. Believe it or not, these things are actually dynamic. Audiences don’t behave the same way in 2020 that they did years ago.
With so many ways to watch, and more recently during the pandemic, this assumption has switched again. Earlier in the year, you could count on close-to 50% of viewers DVR-ing, or streaming shows normally scheduled in time slots after 10PM. Reason is simple; those who worked in the morning weren't staying up as late. Now with the whole pandemic thing, the average wake time is around 7AM, so people are staying up later to watch whatever is on. All local newscasts have seen double-digit increases, but especially at night. Early mornings have dropped significantly.
A lot has changed with PPM measurements. Overnights are still captured, but now so is delayed viewing. Stations and Networks still check Overnights to get a snapshot of newscast viewership, knowing full well that a low percentage DVR or VOD watch the day's news.
Okay, so show me the data on how it differs. Absent that, it's reasonable to assume the shows would have the same relative performance when that is factored in, maybe worse for Modern Family since they were already in the hole by comparison, viewers wise, on the real time viewing data.
It’s not remotely reasonable to make that assumption since, wait for it, audiences aren’t the same. That may conflict with how things were in 1974.
Let’s just pick two new shows this season. Stumptown saw a 77% rise when live+3 day ratings are computed. Bless the Harts? 13%. Now, do the math—those gains are very different.
Let’s just pick two new shows this season. Stumptown saw a 77% rise when live+3 day ratings are computed. Bless the Harts? 13%. Now, do the math—those gains are very different.
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Again, show me the data documenting the difference for the show this discussion started with, Modern Family, as compared to the shows it lagged in those timeslots. If it supports your contention, I'll concede the point. Until then, I've provided real data about the weakness in the ratings of that shows finale while you've only provided speculation, and not very well informed speculation at that.
Dude, you’ve been presented with evidence that time shifted viewing impacts shows differently. Now you want to play some game. No. The evidence is quite clear and plentiful and the media world. It is abundantly clear you don’t want to acknowledge the reality of how media works here in 2020 even in the face of facts.
You don’t need to consider it. Facts don’t need you. They exist regardless. That’s what makes them facts.
Kind of like how people who know how media works in 2020 know achieving the best results in three years is a win. But please enlighten us as to your expertise in media.
Kind of like how people who know how media works in 2020 know achieving the best results in three years is a win. But please enlighten us as to your expertise in media.
All that has been asked of you is to provide those facts you insist prove your point.
https://tvline.com/2020/05/06/tommy-cancelled-cbs-season-2/
Unfortunately, Carol's Second Act won't be getting a second season. Tommy is also gone from CBS as is Man With a Plan and Broke.
The cancellation of Man With a Plan surprises me as the show has been pulling in good ratings since its late season debut. It's made the Top 20 for the last several weeks and did decent in the demo.
Tommy never had a chance. Edie Falco is only suited to cable.
Unfortunately, Carol's Second Act won't be getting a second season. Tommy is also gone from CBS as is Man With a Plan and Broke.
The cancellation of Man With a Plan surprises me as the show has been pulling in good ratings since its late season debut. It's made the Top 20 for the last several weeks and did decent in the demo.
Tommy never had a chance. Edie Falco is only suited to cable.
You mean like the ones that completely contradict your own assertion that all shows benefit equally from time shifted viewing? They don’t. Done and proven; your claim is faulty. Buyers buy live plus time shifted views for a reason.
I'm disappointed about all of this (well, not "Tommy" since I decided against it) but I wanted Carol to have a second act.
"Man with a Plan" kept getting brought back when something else was cancelled, but it was still good.
The spoiled rich couple on "Broke" is hilarious but the bartender sister needs to go back to "NCIS". I never watched that but figured I would like her.
bummer. I liked Man With a Plan. Broke I started watching but have to catch up (or maybe not now)
