There was an episode from the forth season when Jan meets her look-a-like Aunt Jenny, where they are in the attic cleaning it out and getting rid of things where the attic wasn't nearly as big as it was the next season when it became Greg's room. The Brady's sure did accumilate a lot of junk in just a few months and added on to the attic, too.firepoint525 said:
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Don't think there's been a mention of "Green Acres" anywhere...Whenever Lisa told the story of how she and Oliver met, it always varied wildly, with the only constant being that at some point, Oliver was hit over the head.
MASH has all sorts of interesting anomolies. In one year-end show it shows Potter arriving and in charge at least a year before he actually does arrive. If you follow the actual Korean war timeline, there would have been only one Christmas that Potter was colonel, but there had to be the obligatory "yearly" Christmas program, so you have a lot of Christmases going on in Korea. Potter is a Presbyterian, then a Methodist. At first he has a son & daughter in law who have 1 child, and then later he has a daughter and a son in law with 1 child. His son is a dentist specializing in gums. His son in law is a travelling salesman. Early episodes have Hawkeye coming from Vermont with a living mother & sister. Later he's from Maine and his mother has passed, and he is an only child. Now, for me, here's one of the most interesting bits. In a later episode two nurses arrive at MASH. One, played by Blythe Danner is Hawkeye's "old flame". Hawkeye tells BJ that they used to live together during his residency. The only problem with that little story line is..at that point in American time, a doctor in his residency, or even in basic medical school would have been summarily dismissed from school for cohabitating with an unmarried partner. At that time there were still "morals clauses" in school rules and regs, and it would have been nothing short of a nuclear scandal for a student doctor to be openly playing house with an unmarried nurse on campus! It was a neat twist from the 70's, but in the 1940's Mr. Pierce would have had to hand in his stethoscope. Any other thoughts?Lkeller said:
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To think that unmarried men and women never lived together before 1970 I think is naive at best. The only difference is that certain situations weren't as openly discussed at that time as they are today. And if you weren't married but living with somebody in the 1940's, you probably talk about it amongst your closest friends.
My grandmother smoked cigarettes with her friends on the front porch in the 1920's, except if the preacher came walking down the street. They had to extinguish them quickly.
Regarding M*A*S*H - there were a lot of postings earlier in this thread pointing to the fact that the show was about the early 50s, but totally reflected a post Vietnam late 70s mentality, so the fact that they treated co-habitation openly is not a surprise.
The show used 70s terminology and slang - and at least a couple of the male characters (Hawkeye & BJ) wore long hair, sideburns and shaggy mustaches consistent with the Disco era. A person wearing hair like that on the streets in the early 50s would have been a real oddity...not to mention that it was inconsistent with Army dress codes of either decade. Perhaps ironically, if MASH were produced today, the characters would probably wear short hair, or even military style shaved heads. I wonder how men's ear-rings and huge tatoos would have fit in the 50s?
The show used 70s terminology and slang - and at least a couple of the male characters (Hawkeye & BJ) wore long hair, sideburns and shaggy mustaches consistent with the Disco era. A person wearing hair like that on the streets in the early 50s would have been a real oddity...not to mention that it was inconsistent with Army dress codes of either decade. Perhaps ironically, if MASH were produced today, the characters would probably wear short hair, or even military style shaved heads. I wonder how men's ear-rings and huge tatoos would have fit in the 50s?
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I didn't miss your point. You said:
To me that sounds like a private conversation between a couple of buddies and not a situation that was discussed VERY OPENLY in mixed company. (i.e. those who would enforce "school rules and regs" as you stated earlier)
"I think this was also the case for the 1970 film, where Elliot Gould had sideburns -- indeed an oddity in the 1950s."
Very true - the movie also reflected the late 60s, not the 50s. Though neither the movie or the show were just about war, they very effectively hammered home an anti-war message in many episodes. I wonder if there was any discussion about making the show's setting the Vietnam war? Probably not, though it would have made some sense. The Vietnam War was still on when the show began in late 72, so it probably would have seemed too 'close to home,' while the Korean War gave it some distance and allowed them to make parallels with their message.
Also, 1972 was only 3 years after CBS canceled the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour for a few anti-war remarks. They probably wouldn't have tolerated a sitcom set in Vietnam.
Very true - the movie also reflected the late 60s, not the 50s. Though neither the movie or the show were just about war, they very effectively hammered home an anti-war message in many episodes. I wonder if there was any discussion about making the show's setting the Vietnam war? Probably not, though it would have made some sense. The Vietnam War was still on when the show began in late 72, so it probably would have seemed too 'close to home,' while the Korean War gave it some distance and allowed them to make parallels with their message.
Also, 1972 was only 3 years after CBS canceled the Smothers Brothers Comedy Hour for a few anti-war remarks. They probably wouldn't have tolerated a sitcom set in Vietnam.
Interesting point! And yet the attic was (at that point) empty when Greg and Marcia (alternately) each started bringing their own stuff into the attic. Remember, Greg would notice Marcia's stuff, and say "where did that come from?" Marcia said similar things about Greg's stuff.jwk1979 said:
If Greg had gotten the attic (back when it was only two feet tall!) in the second season when he became a "man," then I suppose Oliver would have had to come onto the show much sooner, to take Greg's place in the boys' bedroom.
It would have been interesting to see how they would have placed Oliver in the "Hollywood Squares" grid at the beginning of the show, had they gone on to a sixth season. Mike was to have been gone, so somehow, they would have had to put Oliver into Mike's spot! And somehow, this group would form a family! ;D
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Actually tattoos were common place ( for guys only ) back in the 50's. My uncle fought in the Korean War and he has several tats up and down his arms that he had done back then. Of course once they got out of the service and found work, many places back then required tattoos to be covered up.
Ear rings that is a different matter. As recently as the 1980s many schools and even businesses would not allow guys to wear them. Even the Dominios Pizza I worked at in 1986..they too had a "no ear-ring policy" for guys.
Today few public school systems and many businesses...well they don't care.
"Actually tattoos were common place ( for guys only ) back in the 50's. My uncle fought in the Korean War and he has several tats up and down his arms that he had done back then."
Yes, I remember a lot of men in the World War II generation had tattoos, but generally one tattoo on one arm, not as many or as elaborate as the fashion today.
Yes, I remember a lot of men in the World War II generation had tattoos, but generally one tattoo on one arm, not as many or as elaborate as the fashion today.
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also YOUNGER people are getting tats now, many still in high school !!!
I recently attended a function at my cousin's high school. I was shocked at the number of other kids her age ( 16 ) who sport real tattoos !! One guy in her class pretty much has his entire arms covered and he just recenty turned 17 !!!!
I think it was the "boy bands" that started the trend for younger people to get tats. The Backstreet Boys, 98 Degrees, N'Sync and the like, most of them had them and had no problem showing them either. 20 years ago the only music stars who had tats were pretty much those in heavy metal/modern rock music ( Red Hot Chili Peppers for example ) and outlaw country stars.
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True many tattoo places dont do children, well those under 18 anyway from getting tattoos and I believe there are even laws in place for that. However its like alcohol, cigarettes, getting body jewelry and movies theatres that show R rated flicks, I am sure many of these places look the other way and besides teens for the most part know where to go to do and get such stuff.
A few years back my wife and I went to see Final Destination 3. A movie that was rated R. It was hard not to notice the number of teens in the theatre and none of them were with a parent. My wife and I both went to the manager about this and he was barely old enough himself to see an R rated movie !!
Some places just don't care.
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There is a campus of the University of Illinois that is in Chicago: the University of Illinois-Chicago, that is (home of the Flames), but it didn't open in its present incarnation until 1965.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Illinois_at_Chicago
The 1960's series The Fugitive comes to mind.
1.Early episodes mention that Dr. Kimble's wife was strangled to death. However in part two of "The Judgment" the one-armed man is shown beating her to death with the base of a lamp after she discovers him inside the house.
2. The same series finale featured a scene where it was learned that the one-armed man was briefly employed at a company doing defense work and thus had his fingerprints taken. So if he (the one-armed man) used a lamp to kill Kimble's wife, his fingerprints would have been on the lamp and thus could have been traced back to him establishing Kimble's claim of seeing a one-armed man leaving the scene of the crime.
3. The neighbor, who was in the Kimble house the night of the murder consoling Kimble's wife after she called him on the phone, took a glass away from her after both of them heard a noise downstairs, thus his fingerprints would have been on the glass. That would have indicated someone else was in the house during the time of the murder.
4. Most of the series mentioned or featured Kimble's sister Donna. Yet there was one episode that featured Kimble's brother. So why wasn't the brother included in the series finale? (Shades of Chuck Cunningham of Happy Days).
5. During the trial Kimble testifies seeing a young boy in a row boat fishing after he drove away following an argument with his wife. So unless the kid fished at the same lake at the same time each night, that would have established proof that Kimble was not at home during the time of the murder.
1.Early episodes mention that Dr. Kimble's wife was strangled to death. However in part two of "The Judgment" the one-armed man is shown beating her to death with the base of a lamp after she discovers him inside the house.
2. The same series finale featured a scene where it was learned that the one-armed man was briefly employed at a company doing defense work and thus had his fingerprints taken. So if he (the one-armed man) used a lamp to kill Kimble's wife, his fingerprints would have been on the lamp and thus could have been traced back to him establishing Kimble's claim of seeing a one-armed man leaving the scene of the crime.
3. The neighbor, who was in the Kimble house the night of the murder consoling Kimble's wife after she called him on the phone, took a glass away from her after both of them heard a noise downstairs, thus his fingerprints would have been on the glass. That would have indicated someone else was in the house during the time of the murder.
4. Most of the series mentioned or featured Kimble's sister Donna. Yet there was one episode that featured Kimble's brother. So why wasn't the brother included in the series finale? (Shades of Chuck Cunningham of Happy Days).
5. During the trial Kimble testifies seeing a young boy in a row boat fishing after he drove away following an argument with his wife. So unless the kid fished at the same lake at the same time each night, that would have established proof that Kimble was not at home during the time of the murder.
chrish said:
Your post just reminded me of a comic I had seen in my college newspaper around 1997-ish, showing an elderly man of 2050 still wearing his tattoo along the lines of "Alannis [Morissette] Forever!" on his arm. Grossed me out to think about it.
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