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Tv station owner asks for taxpayer money to reach viewers

http://www.houmatoday.com/article/2...wner_asks_for_taxpayer_money_to_reach_viewers

Martin Folse, owner of KFOL-CA and KJUN-CA (Low power TV stations in the Houma and Morgan City areas respectively known as HTV) has proposed seeking taxpayer money to put special receivers in viewers homes to be able to receive his broadcasts during emergency situations in the Bayou Region

He has also asked for help in getting major Satellite company Direct TV to be forced to carry his TV station for those out of town looking for information on back home in the Bayou region (This is in reference to what Direct TV did with New Orleans station WDSU and putting it over the Satellite system for a few days during Hurricane Gustav)

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Apart from the merits of his request, what the owner is saying is that the Houma-Thibodaux market, technically part of the New Orleans market but a good distance from it and on the fringe, is in reality an OMB Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) with no full-power television station in it. (The MSA ranks 232nd with 201,137 people, 2007 estimate by OMB.)

The 200,000 people in this area in Lafourche Parish (County) have no over-the-air television signal when they are evacuated or when the power goes out and their TV sets go off.

At one time, in the early 1970's, there was an actual full-power TV station on VHF channel 11, KHMA. It was independent and carried mediocre programming. I think it lasted two years. The channel had been allocated in the 1960s at the request of one "St Anthony Television Corporation," if memory serves me correctly, but they never went on the air. I believe, but I am not sure, that Dave Wagenvoord may have been the principal in KHMA. Somewhere in a box around here I have a slide of their ID.

In 1984 an "MGM Inc." dba as "New Dawn" received a CP for another station on channel 11 there, assigned callsign KNHH. They did not activate the CP and attempted to sell it to GACO, but apparently the deal did not go through and the FCC refused to renew the CP in 1987 and the callsign was revoked. GACO rings a bell somewhere; I have seen the name before but do not remember where or when.

No one ever applied for channel 11 again until WYES, channel 12, the major PBS station in New Orleans, filed in the early 1990's for a full-power repeater there. But the FCC did not accept the application and WYES was later assigned channel 11 for digital operations.

You have me curious now about how many other MSA's of more than 100,000 people have no local, full-power, over the air television stations. It's worth looking into.
 
MikeSFNM said:
Apart from the merits of his request, what the owner is saying is that the Houma-Thibodaux market, technically part of the New Orleans market but a good distance from it and on the fringe, is in reality an OMB Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) with no full-power television station in it. (The MSA ranks 232nd with 201,137 people, 2007 estimate by OMB.)

I think if Houma Thibodaux was a little furthur away we would have TV affliates. I know many of the stations in the Houma/Thibodaux area are being robbed for New Orleans signals

Basically in the area depending upon where you live, on rabbit ears and a DTV box, you can catch one or two of the TV stations from New Orleans or Baton Rouge (except South Terreboone parish). New Orleans sees us as a afterthought. We actually get more coverage in the Baton Rouge media than New Orleans media. Martin Folse , since his station is here, focuses here, however he worries more about Terrebonne than Lafourche Parish even though Lafourche and Terrebonne is so tied together economically and physically it ain't funny. Many have issues in telling the two parishes apart sometimes.

MikeSFNM said:
The 200,000 people in this area in Lafourche Parish (County) have no over-the-air television signal when they are evacuated or when the power goes out and their TV sets go off.

No other area except New Orleans has had a signal elsewhere to tune into when they are evacuated. We didn't see LPB rebroadcast KPLC as far as I know for Rita and Ike. They only did it for New Orleans evacuees.

When the power goes out, most portables will pickup at least one TV signal from New Orleans (usually WWL as they are one of the highest powered I find)... With Digital in 2009, I think many people in many places will be toast. Folse's TV signal is basically aimed for Terrebonne, and I'm surprised that after this time, one of the media companies haven't said, let's put a translator (direct feed), a rebroadcaster (with local inserts), or even a full power TV station.

Direct TV only had to do a few minor changes and put WDSU on basic package for Katrina and Gustav. Martin Folse from what I'm reading would have to provide a signal at his cost to California and then it still would be only considered a New Orleans tier station. meaning unless the box has a ID tracing back to New Orleans area, you could forget it. I don't think Direct or Dish would give Folse prime real estate... They never have for many of the storms that affected people outside New Orleans as far as I know.

MikeSFNM said:
At one time, in the early 1970's, there was an actual full-power TV station on VHF channel 11, KHMA. It was independent and carried mediocre programming. I think it lasted two years. The channel had been allocated in the 1960s at the request of one "St Anthony Television Corporation," if memory serves me correctly, but they never went on the air. I believe, but I am not sure, that Dave Wagenvoord may have been the principal in KHMA. Somewhere in a box around here I have a slide of their ID.

In 1984 an "MGM Inc." dba as "New Dawn" received a CP for another station on channel 11 there, assigned callsign KNHH. They did not activate the CP and attempted to sell it to GACO, but apparently the deal did not go through and the FCC refused to renew the CP in 1987 and the callsign was revoked. GACO rings a bell somewhere; I have seen the name before but do not remember where or when.

I knew about the KHMA, it was from what people have told me, sort of a station like Martin Folse is doing right now. I only found out about the second station about a year ago.


MikeSFNM said:
No one ever applied for channel 11 again until WYES, channel 12, the major PBS station in New Orleans, filed in the early 1990's for a full-power repeater there. But the FCC did not accept the application and WYES was later assigned channel 11 for digital operations.


You have me curious now about how many other MSA's of more than 100,000 people have no local, full-power, over the air television stations. It's worth looking into.

Didn't know about the WYES repeater idea, But yes I'm surprised that with Digital signals becoming questionable with the plots I've seen, that Houma/Thibodaux might not have to move over to translators like many areas with MSAs like us use to deliver TV programming. On analog, we can watch all stations, on Digital it takes better antennas but a outside antenna can catch everything currently on digital from New Orleans and most of the Baton Rouge signals where I live in Lafourche parish.

Martin Folse tries and promote himself heavily, I think some of this is a gimmick for him to get into politics like Jerry "truck" Gisclair did (owner of KLRZ-FM/KLEB/KANE) after listening and meeting with elected officials during his morning talk show that he or others host called "Talk on the Bayou"

Martin Folse actually is pushing some of this for his own thing In my own opinion as his TV station is a class A television station. He doesn't have to flip to Digital for years to come. however he has the paperwork already to flip to digital filed and permitted by the FCC (but since he is a class A he has to flip in channel not on a possible another channel like the full powers) I think he wants to flip digital as many of the DTV boxes don't do analog pass through and people without cable may forget his station unless he was on digital. However no one will be able to watch or listen if he flips digital unless they have a convertor box or cable during the storm.... proverbial catch 22

The parishes could technically buy his analog equipment and put up a public affairs channel over the air, but the cost would have to be borne by the taxpayers who wouldn't pay for that. Most parishes in the area have tie in's with city media or like some, have a network of AM translator stations broadcasting under TIS (Traveler information service) rules to provide the info by radio.

He did a service for the community, I will hand him that, however he is expecting the Terrebonne parish government to bow down to him because of it and this won't fly legal muster (as technically most of the stuff reported in the media benefits one type of for profit corporation over another and Governments are not allowed to do this.


RFLA
 
RFLA said:
Martin Folse actually is pushing some of this for his own thing In my own opinion as his TV station is a class A television station. He doesn't have to flip to Digital for years to come. however he has the paperwork already to flip to digital filed and permitted by the FCC (but since he is a class A he has to flip in channel not on a possible another channel like the full powers) I think he wants to flip digital as many of the DTV boxes don't do analog pass through and people without cable may forget his station unless he was on digital. However no one will be able to watch or listen if he flips digital unless they have a convertor box or cable during the storm.... proverbial catch 22

Are you sure he has to flip to digital on the same channel in February? WBQP-CA in Pensacola is broadcasting in analog on channel 12 and they have been running digital (with 4 sub channels) on channel 7 for about a year now. I have no idea what will happen to WBQP-CA in February. Will they be allowed to keep both the analog and digital going or will they have to cut one off? If possible, it seems like the smart thing for an LP or CA TV station to do would be to launch a DT station on the best channel available and apply to move the analog signal to channel 6 so the audio can be received on 87.5FM.
 
That would be a good one to figure out as from what I understood, if a LPTV wanted to flip to digital, it would have to go by the same rules as a station who first signed on post 1997.. Flash cut (even though I'm seeing a different story now on the FCC website with auctions to different frequencies)

Martin Folse does not have to flash cut or go digital yet.. that's the key... a lot of the owners who can afford it are flash cutting to digital as many of the digital convertor boxes won't pass analog (the Magnovox sold by Wal-Mart is a perfect example) so many of the LPTV operators will loose the viewers they will have on their broadcast signals if they don't flip digital. (Martin Folse owned this company for years as a cable only station called HTV before in the 1990s finally being able to get FCC approval to become a on-air broadcaster too hince it being refered in most places as HTV and not by the FCC call KFOL-CA).

Since he is flipping digital by choice, He is basically saying let's let the government pick up the tab for me being able to broadcast my signal during a storm to local residents without a DTV or even a generator to power the convertor box.

On the station WBQP-CA , the station itself only shows as a lp Analog signal on channel 12, no other applications for digital tied to that callsign. He may have an agreement with say some of the DTV stations out there (such as a new digital LPTV station in Pensacola on channel 6 using 300 watts ) to use some of the bandwidth for his digital station (as I've been seeing a few tv stations broadcasting LPTV channels or cable only channels on their Digital TV signal ) but nothing shows in FCC records other than a analog signal.

But read on their site it claims to be a 300 watt signal on DTV. Curious about the setup
RFLA
 
Are you suggesting that WBQP-LP doesn't have a second channel allotment for DTV? Weird. I thought that CA and LP stations were doing the same thing that full power stations were and at least had a chance to ask for a second channel allotment for DTV signals.

A few years ago there was an LPTV on channel 8 with the official call letters WPNS-LP which later changed to WRBD-LP. On air the analog channel WRBD-LP showed an ID bug of WBQP-2 and carried A-1 network programing 24/7 while WBQP-CA channel 12 just carried select shows from A-1. I noticed a couple years ago that WRBD had applied to move to channel 7, then they disappeared. When I finally got a DTV converter box I found WBQP-DT on 7-1, White Springs Classic TV on 7-2, The Word Network on 7-3, and a childrens network on 7-4 (all remapped to 12-?). So WBQP-CA channel 12 is not leasing DTV space on someone else's station, they are the primary station on DTV channel 7 and the other stations on channel 7 are ones that WBQP used to carry some programming from. I wonder if WBQP-CA is using WRBD-LP for their digital broadcast? They aren't doing a visual or audio ID of any call letters besides WBQP. I can't figure this out with my amateur translation of the information on FCC.gov. I wonder what's going on. I wonder if it's legal.
 
I found the station that you talk about has an application to move to channel 7 but the FCC hasn't acted upon that yet. I've read there is a hold on class A applications (as WBQP has to file papers every 6 months to stay on the air at their current site under special temporary authorization)

For example here is the info on Pensacola:
http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?stat...t2=&mlat2=&slat2=&dlon2=&mlon2=&slon2=&size=9

DT is full power DTV signals LD is low power digital, TX is analog translator, Ds is digital special temporary authorization (The FCC allowed stations to put up smaller DTV stations as a first buildout but has to have full power facilities by 2009).. the rest are analog signals.

On digital, every time I think I know the answer it comes up with something new.. Originally all stations would either be assigned new frequencies (full power tv) and the low powers had to flash cut (same frequency conversion to digital) . then no digital for low power TV at cutover.. now FCC is allowing analog class As to file to move to a digital channel somewheres else (but my guess is the analog signal would have to disappear completely)

But on your station of WBQP, I show no digital applications (which he would have to file if broadcasting under his own license) http://www.fcc.gov/fcc-bin/tvq?list=0&facid=69993
 
Man RFLA, thanks for confusing me. I'm going to need a drink to figure this crazy ness out. Forget that, someone on here has to know the whole story of WBQP's LD facility and hopefully they will explain it to us.

Well, WBQP-CA 12 is on the air in analog. As far as I can tell WRBD-CA 8 (application filed for channel 7 in 2006 doesn't appear to have approval) has been dark for over a year. There is a low power station broadcasting WBQP digitally on channel 7 and it has been on the air around a year. Analog channel 12 and digital channel 7 have about the same coverage area. Nothing about WBQP-LD channel 7 appears on the internet, Everything on air suggest that WBQP is running digital channel 7 on it's own, not leasing one of the sub channels. The FCC.Gov most recent filings on WBQP all refer to them trying to get new, upgraded, permanent facilities on channel 12 to replace the one Ivan damaged in 2004, there is no mention of any broadcasting on channel 7,

I can't think of any board to post on for a explanation of this scenario since it is apparently uncommon if not illegal. I sure would like to hear the story behind this.

This seemed like a good fix for HTV. Put up a new LD station for their primary OTA signal. Move current analog to LP channel 6. Then wind up with cable coverage, digital OTA coverage, analog OTA coverage and FM audio availability for news, sports events and important local info in the case of a natural disaster.
 
National TV would probably give some answers as well as the North Florida board on the TV issue. Channel 8 may be on air but as a digital even though they are supposed to file as digital?

HTV couldn't move right now to channel 6 if it wanted to due to major power tv signal WDSU's analog signal still at channel 6 until 2009 and then he may have some issues as there are people applying for FM slots that are opening in the New Orleans market due to channel 6 leaving permanently (Fms can't be placed 10.7 Mhz away from channel 6 tv frequency due to interference issues)

But moving his (Martin Folse's) Morgan City tv station which only has enough power to actually serve a small community and head end for the local cable companies (and supposedly lost it's tower also) may actually be better served by increasing the power on it and moving it to the Houma area (no loss of service as there is another LPTV station in Morgan City) and having it run analog or flip it to digital and keep 30 analog would probably be his best bet.
 
Similar situation with Comcorp

Comcorp owns several La TV stations: NBC 33 & Fox 44 BR, Fox 15 Lafayette and several mostly Fox stations in the region; they are now running spots imploring viewers to contact DISH and tell them to pay 2cents more to Comcorp or viewers of DISH will lose those local stations on Dec 31.

I think most people do not ever contact cable or satellite providers and ask them to pay more to local TV stations because those costs will just be passed on to the subscribers.

DISH could always replace the Lafayette/BR stations owned by Comcorp with New Orleans stations or others.
I think it's a dumb move by Comcorp that will probably backfire on them.
 
I know WBRZ is reminding people they are not available on Dish also on digital channel 2.3 but you are right.
Comcorp also owns a radio station

Direct TV actually uses a station out of Mississippi (WLBT) for NBC network programming in the Lafayette DMA market instead of WVLA (which I beleive is the NBC affiliate under NBCs eyes currently) or KALB after stripping KPLC of the Lafayette area.
 
My bad, it is the old owners of WGMB and KADN who own the Simmesport licensed radio station (Delta Media)
 
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