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Tweeter Protection

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bnesound

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I managed to blow out a tweeter on a powered monitor with overload protection. Does anyone have a suggestion on what kind of fuse I could put in myself, inline, to protect the tweeter in the future that wont effect the frequency response? The power rating on the monitor is 35 watts 4 ohm load, 50 watts peak.
 
Tweeter failure is often caused by clipping of the amplifier or even clipping of the source material.
Fuses don't provide good tweeter protection. The tweeter will blow before the fuse opens.
JBL uses incandescent lamps in series with the tweeters to provide some protection.
The lamp filament resistance goes up as you increase the drive to the tweeter, bringing the tweeter level down.
 
Also, Genelec and Mackie powered monitors use tweeters with replaceable voice coils. Madisound can get them for you, they aren't too expensive.
 
bnesound said:
I managed to blow out a tweeter on a powered monitor with overload protection. Does anyone have a suggestion on what kind of fuse I could put in myself, inline, to protect the tweeter in the future that wont effect the frequency response? The power rating on the monitor is 35 watts 4 ohm load, 50 watts peak.

You need to know the short-term power rating of the tweeter, and you need to know its impedance. Once you have that, you can determine a fuse value.

There is nothing in a fuse that will affect the frequency response.

Everyone who has ever been in college knows that the leading cause of tweeter failure is roomates.

Kind Regards,
David
 
It's a Mackie MR5. Thanks for the Madisound tip. Based on my track record it may come in handy in the future.

Thanks for all the suggestions.... except for the last one....
 
bnesound said:
Thanks for all the suggestions.... except for the last one....

Too bad you don't seem to understand it. If you want to prevent tweeter blowing again, the best advice I can give you is to buy a more powerful amplifier. Or put a limiter ahead of your amp. Tweeters in almost all cases blow for one reason only - power amp clipping. The fuse may and may not help, depending on the tweeter - it will probably blow too soon (on music peaks) or will be too slow and will not protect the speaker at all. Also, to have any use it would have to be placed at the driver (after the crossover) and not on the speaker leads and you have to make sure it doesn't have any resistance, if you still thinking this is the best solution.


Regards,
Goran Tomas
 
The best tweeter protection is to have someone around who recognizes when clipping is occurring, and they turn the gain down.
The main cause of burned out tweeters is not having an engineer around to lecture the roomates on WHY they need to turn down
the volume, or BUY THAT BEEFIER AMP. Tweeters can't really reproduce square waves, and it is cruel to feed them square waves.
Hey!
Put in a transformer after the crossover, and you'll never send another square wave to your tweeter.
The iron would slur the waveform into something-less-square, and might not be detrimentally "audible".
 
Clearly, the last two posters didn't see the words POWERED MONITOR in the OP. That renders the "buy a bigger amp" argument mute.
 
We use Mackie 285s, and the biggest problem is the woofer voice coil bobbins bending and jamming in the motor. The hip hopsters want to hear a 'boom' that the boxes really aren't capable of making. Not square waves, over extension of the voice coil. We simply go and pull the input gain down every Monday morning.
 
Back in my roadie days of doing PA for some rather major acts, before the days of three way active crossovers, we used to use Electrovoice tweeter protectors. Unlike fuses which don't recover when they blow, the EV devices did. It was a simple circuit which consisted of a capacitor, diode, and N.C. reed relay. The way it worked was when the high frequency level exceeded a certain voltage, the relay opened and stayed open until the level (voltage) was decreased. We hardly ever had blown H.F. drivers. The downside is (with PA anyway), that usually your high frequency levels were exceeded across the board, and all the tweeter protectors kicked in around the same time. Depending on the music, one could hear the high end drop system wide around the same time. That was the signal for whomever was mixing house to either change the EQ, or back off the throttle a little.
 
Rob Stutson said:
Clearly, the last two posters didn't see the words POWERED MONITOR in the OP. That renders the "buy a bigger amp" argument mute.

Oups, should have read it more carefully :-\


Regards,
Goran Tomas
 
Yes I was naughty and over driving the input of the Mackie when it blew. MR5's are worth every penny but they were not made for eardrum crushing output. I found a replacement tweet on ebay and will experiment with all the great protection suggestions.
 
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