Two more down and only 299,999,970 to go !

[PocketRadio]

"I'm curious......."

"I figured that there might be quirks since it is supposedly new technology but still. I might stick to listening online or maybe buying satellite down the road. I have a friend who has Sirius and I like the programming that I heard from that service. Thanks."

http://balti21222.livejournal.com/43034.html

Hi, ****

Many thanks for the information and insights -- really appreciate them!

Best regards,
Adam

Adam Smeltz
Reporter, Centre Daily Times
http://www.centredaily.com
Newsroom: ***.***.****
Mobile: ***.***.****

-----Original Message-----
From: **********@***.com [mailto:*********@***.com]
Sent: Tue 5/8/2007 9:49 AM
To: Smeltz, Adam - State College
Subject: Re: "WPSU gets HD station"

Adam,

I read your article on HD Radio, but I was unable to add comments at the end of the article. Bridge Ratings have down-graded their estimates for the number of HD radios sold to no more than 500,000 this year, but only 150,000 have been sold so far, and no doubt, many have been returned for lousy reception and bland, repetitive HD channel programming. If the HD channel programming was so great, then it should be put on the main analog channel - the whole concept of HD Radio is ridiculous. I bet, that the number of HD radios sold this year will be only a few tens-of-thousands. Here are some articles that you may be interested in:

...

From just another "kook" !

 

[Mike Walker]

It's the standard. For the country. The whole country. PERIOD. You think you're raising a stink? You don't remember the fights over AM Stereo. But the standard DID NOT CHANGE. It's Motorola C-Quam. In thirty years it will be Motorola C-Quam. Once the FCC has decided, that's it. It's over. SORRY!

 

[PocketRadio]

It's the standard. For the country. The whole country. PERIOD. You think you're raising a stink? You don't remember the fights over AM Stereo. But the standard DID NOT CHANGE. It's Motorola C-Quam. In thirty years it will be Motorola C-Quam. Once the FCC has decided, that's it. It's over. SORRY!

Just as with AM Stereo and FMeXtra, the FCC has left it up to the marketplace to determine the fate of HD Radio - just as with AM Stereo, FMeXtra, and DAB in Canada, HD/IBOC will stall in the U.S.

 

[Mike Walker]

READ SOME DAMN HISTORY! Somebody actually IN RADIO tell this guy the "marketplace will not decide" on a digital radio standard. They'll either buy digital, or they won't, but the STANDARD is set in stone. The FCC DOES NOT GO BACK ON THESE THINGS!

THE FCC DID NOT CHOOSE A STANDARD IN 1982. THEY DID IN 2007, and refuse to accept ANY additional applications.

There is an installed base of THOUSANDS of stations, more almost daily, more new receiver announcements almost weekly, about 50 HD products so far and counting, individual models are selling by the thousands (ACCORDING TO THEIR MANUFACTURERS!), and many of the greatest names in the audio business (and transmission as well as audio processing businesses) are ON THE CASE (JVC, Onkyo, Boston Acoustics, Sequerra, Niles, Radiosophy, Radio Shack, Kenwood, Yamaha, Directed Electronics, Polk Audio, Alpine, Sangean, Harris, Broadcast Electronics, Orban/CRL, Neural and more. Car manufacturers including Hyundai and Jaguar. Retailers like J&R, Amazon.com, Best Buy, Circuit City, Costo, Crutchfield, Sharper Image, not to mention the largest retailer on Earth...Wal Mart). REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN YOU WERE PROCLAIMING THAT THERE WOULD NEVER BE LOW POWER CHIPS???????? Remember THAT????? Now YOU post the link to low power chips, adding the zinger that there's no way they'll overcome the antenna problem. IT CAN BE SOLVED WITH FREAKING ALUMINUM FOIL!!!!!!!!!! That "problem" can be solved faster than I can complete this sente.....

 

[PocketRadio]

READ SOME DAMN HISTORY! Somebody actually IN RADIO tell this guy the "marketplace will not decide" on a digital radio standard. They'll either buy digital, or they won't, but the STANDARD is set in stone. The FCC DOES NOT GO BACK ON THESE THINGS!

THE FCC DID NOT CHOOSE A STANDARD IN 1982. THEY DID IN 2007, and refuse to accept ANY additional applications.

There is an installed base of THOUSANDS of stations, more almost daily, more new receiver announcements almost weekly, about 50 HD products so far and counting, individual models are selling by the thousands (ACCORDING TO THEIR MANUFACTURERS!), and many of the greatest names in the audio business (and transmission as well as audio processing businesses) are ON THE CASE (JVC, Onkyo, Boston Acoustics, Sequerra, Niles, Radiosophy, Radio Shack, Kenwood, Yamaha, Directed Electronics, Polk Audio, Alpine, Sangean, Harris, Broadcast Electronics, Orban/CRL, Neural and more. Car manufacturers including Hyundai and Jaguar. Retailers like J&R, Amazon.com, Best Buy, Circuit City, Costo, Crutchfield, Sharper Image, not to mention the largest retailer on Earth...Wal Mart). REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN YOU WERE PROCLAIMING THAT THERE WOULD NEVER BE LOW POWER CHIPS???????? Remember THAT????? Now YOU post the link to low power chips, adding the zinger that there's no way they'll overcome the antenna problem. IT CAN BE SOLVED WITH FREAKING ALUMINUM FOIL!!!!!!!!!! That "problem" can be solved faster than I can complete this sente.....

"4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio"

"According to staff testimony at the meeting (which starts at ~1:01:00), the FCC appears unconcerned with HD Radio's potential pitfalls and more than willing to let the industry set the pace of radio's analog/digital transition. According to Ann Gallagher, an engineer in the Audio Division of the FCC's Media Bureau, "substantial additional testing" by iBiquity and the National Association of Broadcasters justifies the expedited deployment of HD Radio. Stations may now commence multicasting and separate their analog and digital antenna systems without formal FCC approval."

http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm

The FCC is letting the marketplace/consumer interest decide the fate of HD Radio, AM Stereo, and FMeXtra. HD Radio is A standard, as are AM Stereo and FMeXtra, not THE standard. You can use all the aluminum foil you want, but it won't help catch those elusive 1/100th power-level digital saddlebags !

 

[R.F. Burns]

READ SOME DAMN HISTORY! Somebody actually IN RADIO tell this guy the "marketplace will not decide" on a digital radio standard. They'll either buy digital, or they won't, but the STANDARD is set in stone. The FCC DOES NOT GO BACK ON THESE THINGS!

THE FCC DID NOT CHOOSE A STANDARD IN 1982. THEY DID IN 2007, and refuse to accept ANY additional applications.

There is an installed base of THOUSANDS of stations, more almost daily, more new receiver announcements almost weekly, about 50 HD products so far and counting, individual models are selling by the thousands (ACCORDING TO THEIR MANUFACTURERS!), and many of the greatest names in the audio business (and transmission as well as audio processing businesses) are ON THE CASE (JVC, Onkyo, Boston Acoustics, Sequerra, Niles, Radiosophy, Radio Shack, Kenwood, Yamaha, Directed Electronics, Polk Audio, Alpine, Sangean, Harris, Broadcast Electronics, Orban/CRL, Neural and more. Car manufacturers including Hyundai and Jaguar. Retailers like J&R, Amazon.com, Best Buy, Circuit City, Costo, Crutchfield, Sharper Image, not to mention the largest retailer on Earth...Wal Mart). REMEMBER A FEW MONTHS AGO WHEN YOU WERE PROCLAIMING THAT THERE WOULD NEVER BE LOW POWER CHIPS???????? Remember THAT????? Now YOU post the link to low power chips, adding the zinger that there's no way they'll overcome the antenna problem. IT CAN BE SOLVED WITH FREAKING ALUMINUM FOIL!!!!!!!!!! That "problem" can be solved faster than I can complete this sente.....

"4/4/07 - FCC: Market to Decide Fate of HD Radio"

"According to staff testimony at the meeting (which starts at ~1:01:00), the FCC appears unconcerned with HD Radio's potential pitfalls and more than willing to let the industry set the pace of radio's analog/digital transition. According to Ann Gallagher, an engineer in the Audio Division of the FCC's Media Bureau, "substantial additional testing" by iBiquity and the National Association of Broadcasters justifies the expedited deployment of HD Radio. Stations may now commence multicasting and separate their analog and digital antenna systems without formal FCC approval."

http://www.diymedia.net/archive/0407.htm

The FCC is letting the marketplace/consumer interest decide the fate of HD Radio, AM Stereo, and FMeXtra. HD Radio is A standard, as are AM Stereo and FMeXtra, not THE standard. You can use all the aluminum foil you want, but it won't help catch those elusive 1/100th power-level digital saddlebags !

Check out the Radiosophy web site. HD radios must be selling because they are all out of their standard HD receivers. I guess they'll just have to do another production run. They must be selling radios or they wouldn't have produced a second model. Don't you guys get tired of being wrong?

 

[oaktree]

The first model was priced far from the $59.95 model. Secondly, what was the first production run? A thousand? Ten-thousand? 150,000? Could the cheaper second model come about because the first model didn't do so well? And what about quality?

I bought a "promoted" radio (not HD) from a major retailer (J&R) just two weeks ago ... and sent it back after two days. It just wasn't ready for prime time. I heard that a LOT of the same units had been, as had HD radios.

Not that they didn't work...they didn't work well enough.

Don't believe everything you think you might be reading...

 

[R.F. Burns]

The first model was priced far from the $59.95 model. Secondly, what was the first production run? A thousand? Ten-thousand? 150,000? Could the cheaper second model come about because the first model didn't do so well? And what about quality?

I bought a "promoted" radio (not HD) from a major retailer (J&R) just two weeks ago ... and sent it back after two days. It just wasn't ready for prime time. I heard that a LOT of the same units had been, as had HD radios.

Not that they didn't work...they didn't work well enough.

Don't believe everything you think you might be reading...

I can't tell you how many radios were in the first production run but I doubt it was 1,000 (which still would be pretty good for mail order only considering the rdio only came out in January or February). They aren't disconinuing the more expensive radio, they just don't have any more to sell at the moment. Which radio did you buy and how far are you from your HD station? I bought my Sangean from J&R and it works perfectly. Of course I'm 25 miles from NYC not 125 miles. My Boston Acoustics which i purchased in feb 2006 works very well too. It's my bedside radio. I receive solid HD signals from the NY stations using just a dipole.

 

[PocketRadio]

Check out the Radiosophy web site. HD radios must be selling because they are all out of their standard HD receivers. I guess they'll just have to do another production run. They must be selling radios or they wouldn't have produced a second model. Don't you guys get tired of being wrong?

They probably didn't stock many HD radios - it's only radio-geeks buying HD radios, and Radiosophy's web site has very little activity.

 

[R.F. Burns]

Check out the Radiosophy web site. HD radios must be selling because they are all out of their standard HD receivers. I guess they'll just have to do another production run. They must be selling radios or they wouldn't have produced a second model. Don't you guys get tired of being wrong?

They probably didn't stock many HD radios - it's only radio-geeks buying HD radios, and Radiosophy's web site has very little activity.

You obviously have no idea how many radios they had ordered. No manufacturer is going to produce 100 radios or less. The price would be extremely high and I mean much higher than what they charged for this unit. You've never let the facts stand in the way of your anti IBOC arguments have you?

 

[radiopilot]

Check out the Radiosophy web site. HD radios must be selling because they are all out of their standard HD receivers. I guess they'll just have to do another production run. They must be selling radios or they wouldn't have produced a second model. Don't you guys get tired of being wrong?

They probably didn't stock many HD radios - it's only radio-geeks buying HD radios, and Radiosophy's web site has very little activity.

You obviously have no idea how many radios they had ordered. No manufacturer is going to produce 100 radios or less. The price would be extremely high and I mean much higher than what they charged for this unit. You've never let the facts stand in the way of your anti IBOC arguments have you?

Just as you have no real clue either... I'd take the website word as I'm sure they took some effort to get the facts, compared to you that just posts your opinions!

Radiopilot

 

[Mike Walker]

Radios sell out BECAUSE THEY'RE POPULAR. Duh!

 

[PocketRadio]

Hi *****,

Many thanks. Andi Sporkin, at NPR, told me that HD "isn't taking off as fast as we'd hoped," but said that NPR still had faith in it. And obviously, my local station is betting hard on it -- but I don't personally know a single early adopter.

What's your interest in HD?

-----Original Message-----
From: **********@***.com [mailto:**********@***.com]
Sent: Thu 5/10/2007 6:31 AM
To: Gray, Lisa
Subject: Re: "Tuning in. Dropping out"

Lisa,

I read your article, that mentioned HD Radio, and thought that you might be interested in these HD Radio articles:
...

Only, 299,999,969 to go !

 

[clouseau]

Hi *****,

Many thanks. Andi Sporkin, at NPR, told me that HD "isn't taking off as fast as we'd hoped," but said that NPR still had faith in it. And obviously, my local station is betting hard on it -- but I don't personally know a single early adopter.

What's your interest in HD?

-----Original Message-----
From: **********@***.com [mailto:**********@***.com]
Sent: Thu 5/10/2007 6:31 AM
To: Gray, Lisa
Subject: Re: "Tuning in. Dropping out"

Lisa,

I read your article, that mentioned HD Radio, and thought that you might be interested in these HD Radio articles:
...

Only, 299,999,969 to go !

Apparently unable to even find reasonable quotes to support his sagging position of HD's failure, Pocket Radio now posts something he alledges to be his email. Nice.

only 299,999,970 to go !

Yeah, you go, guy!!

You have a life history of "30"? In the last 4 1/2 months there have been over 100 stations adding HD. How's that whole "299,999,969 to go" thing working out for ya?

Clouseau

 

[radiopilot]

Hi *****,

Many thanks. Andi Sporkin, at NPR, told me that HD "isn't taking off as fast as we'd hoped," but said that NPR still had faith in it. And obviously, my local station is betting hard on it -- but I don't personally know a single early adopter.

What's your interest in HD?

-----Original Message-----
From: **********@***.com [mailto:**********@***.com]
Sent: Thu 5/10/2007 6:31 AM
To: Gray, Lisa
Subject: Re: "Tuning in. Dropping out"

Lisa,

I read your article, that mentioned HD Radio, and thought that you might be interested in these HD Radio articles:
...

Only, 299,999,969 to go !

Apparently unable to even find reasonable quotes to support his sagging position of HD's failure, Pocket Radio now posts something he alledges to be his email. Nice.

only 299,999,970 to go !

Yeah, you go, guy!!

You have a life history of "30"? In the last 4 1/2 months there have been over 100 stations adding HD. How's that whole "299,999,969 to go" thing working out for ya?

Clouseau

The NYC board has a great discussion about HD radio in it's area and apprarently alot of listeners who bought the HD radios aren't happy... of course these are radio 'geeks' otherwise they wouldn't be on these boards, I can only imagine there aren't too many consumers in NYC that bought the radios let alone are listening to the HD broadcasts...

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,70585.0.html


Radiopilot

 

[Mike Walker]

Dissatisfied people...usually jerks who were too stupid to read the instructions or experiment till they got it right...always are the most vocal. As are most minorities (talking minority of CUSTOMERS, not racial or ethnic minorities!). The few yell. The many listen, and enjoy. When you buy a product, do you usually call or write a manufacturer and tell them? if so, you're unusual. Most people only bother to "comment" when they have something negative to say. Human nature.

 

[scanman1]

I love HD radio, it rules to the max! I have to disagree with the consensus it has no future, with this whole planet going digital, it's only logical that terrestrial radio follows suit. As far as reception issues go, I haven't had any on either of my radios (Polk I-sonic and Accurian from Radio Shack). 8)

 

[PocketRadio]

Apparently unable to even find reasonable quotes to support his sagging position of HD's failure, Pocket Radio now posts something he alledges to be his email. Nice.

only 299,999,970 to go !

Yeah, you go, guy!!

You have a life history of "30"? In the last 4 1/2 months there have been over 100 stations adding HD. How's that whole "299,999,969 to go" thing working out for ya?

Clouseau

Hi ****,

Wow: I'd never heard about those other issues. And I'll forward your notes to the Chron's radio reporter.

Thanks again.

-----Original Message-----
From: **********@****.com [mailto:********@***.com]
Sent: Thu 5/10/2007 9:27 AM
To: Gray, Lisa
Subject: Re: "Tuning in. Dropping out"

In a message dated 5/10/07 11:54:56 AM Mid-Atlantic Daylight Time,
Lisa.Gray@*****.com writes:

Hi Lisa,

Thanks for responding - I have been an AM DX'er and shortwave listener for years. I would not have a problem with HD Radio, but it causes a lot of adjacent-channel interference, especially on AM, and will affect the hobby of AM DXing. There is a really good HD Radio message board, if you are interested, but you have to get past all of the emotional stuff:

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/board,194.0.html

The general public does not realize the behind-the-scenes issues with HD/IBOC (nor, do they care), and its destuctive affects on the broadcast bands.

 

[Mike Walker]

Yeah, you're setting the world on fire. You're a regular legend in your own mind.

 

[paul vincent zecchino]

HD, 'the standard'? No, it's not. FCC stated, when approving HD unflushable sewer pickle, "let the marketplace decide".

The marketplace decided. HD is DOA. Flatline on sales charts. The more people learn about this HD sump dumpling, the more they reject it.

'The standard'? Spare us? Why embarass yourselves? Blatting the Kazoo of 'It's the Law!' fools no one. Many so-called 'standards' have come and gone. HD's time is long gone.

Hespite cheat tacticts of jamming and keeping it secret from the public, HD enjoys no immunity from reality.

HD radios at Wal-Mart? Looks as if Souk q'Wah-lid has greater troubles - lousy sales. Not to worry, you can't even find HD stooge-radios there. Did they already sell out?

Yeah! that's it! Wal-Mart sold outa HD stooge-radios real fast. Va va veem! Let's see now...You can buy perfectly good waterproof AM/FM radios at Wal-Mart for five bucks.

Tell us, why spend a couple hundred bucks on HD stooge-radio which requires outside antennas, eats power, has limited range and 'seedy quality audio', and whose streams are largely skipping records and moronic formats like 'Rooty Kazooty Hit Parade!', 'Great Autopsy Narratives from the 1950's!', along with my perennial fave, "Zimbabwe's Hour of Political Culture, with your Host - Robert 'Big Bob' Mugabe!" Ooooohwow!

Dr. Paul Vincent Zecchino
Manasota Key, Florida
10 May, 2007