Two new Tivoli WiFi/FM radios. Price tbd. No HD radio.

[Tom Wells]

Where is the Statue of Liberty located?

Jersey City, New Jersey.

I learned that from Hank Williams. Not the singer, an old skinny black guy in Gary, In.
He used to get people on that question all the time.

 

[R.F. Burns]

I was born in Jersey City and much as they debate it, it's a NY landmark. Take a look at the NY license plate. I was at the rededication of the statue by Regan. We traveled to the island from NYC. So Jersey City... Not really.

 

[Chuck]

By the way, the reason your local station is covering the release of the I-Phone is because most likely they are getting video from their network newsfeed service. Its a national story
magnified because even with the ongoing war in Iraq, it's a relative slow news period and this is a feature piece.

There is no doubt that New York City is one of the biggest targets in the universe. It would also probably be one of the hardest places in the world to cover with a new infrastructure. But I'd never say it wouldn’t happen. I'm glad you agree. I can't see HD working very well in the subway, but a "wi-fi like" service delivering a multi-platform communications link might be worth doing. If there is money in it, somebody will consider doing it. I'll bet a lot of New Yorkers would like to be able to get their email, do business, talk on the phone, and even listen to a few tunes or maybe hear a newscast while they commute. HD won't do that for them.

And yes, the I-phone was national news. We do get CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc, out here in the hinterlands. The news item I'm talking about was run on two local TV stations that I know of, KETK and KLTV. I’m fairly sure it was locally produced, unless they have moved some area landmarks in the last day or so. Even if it is not a local production, what difference would that make? The buzz is the same and Apple has had a ton of exposure in the last few days. It seems that even "cowboys" want I-phones, although you may have to look fairly hard to find a lot of cowboys around here. The people in the oil & gas, banking, insurance, computer, retailing and healthcare industries seem to want them, and they are by far the largest segment of our local population.

In fact, as I type this, I'm watching the 10 o'clock news on KETK. They are running a segment on the I-phone right now. They are reporting that you will have to “take a number” if you want one, as most area locations are sold out. The segment has some video from the network and some local. Why should it matter where the video came from? In any case, the I-phone is big news. Whether you or I want one of these things is immaterial. If we are to believe the reports that frequent these Boards, they aren’t even interested in selling them to people in our age group (over 50). Whatever…Apple has been able to capture the imagination of a lot of people and that is something that so far the HD folks have been unable to do.

 

[R.F. Burns]

By the way, the reason your local station is covering the release of the I-Phone is because most likely they are getting video from their network newsfeed service. Its a national story
magnified because even with the ongoing war in Iraq, it's a relative slow news period and this is a feature piece.

There is no doubt that New York City is one of the biggest targets in the universe. It would also probably be one of the hardest places in the world to cover with a new infrastructure. But I'd never say it wouldn’t happen. I'm glad you agree. I can't see HD working very well in the subway, but a "wi-fi like" service delivering a multi-platform communications link might be worth doing. If there is money in it, somebody will consider doing it. I'll bet a lot of New Yorkers would like to be able to get their email, do business, talk on the phone, and even listen to a few tunes or maybe hear a newscast while they commute. HD won't do that for them.

And yes, the I-phone was national news. We do get CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc, out here in the hinterlands. The news item I'm talking about was run on two local TV stations that I know of, KETK and KLTV. I’m fairly sure it was locally produced, unless they have moved some area landmarks in the last day or so. Even if it is not a local production, what difference would that make? The buzz is the same and Apple has had a ton of exposure in the last few days. It seems that even "cowboys" want I-phones, although you may have to look fairly hard to find a lot of cowboys around here. The people in the oil & gas, banking, insurance, computer, retailing and healthcare industries seem to want them, and they are by far the largest segment of our local population.

In fact, as I type this, I'm watching the 10 o'clock news on KETK. They are running a segment on the I-phone right now. They are reporting that you will have to “take a number” if you want one, as most area locations are sold out. The segment has some video from the network and some local. Why should it matter where the video came from? In any case, the I-phone is big news. Whether you or I want one of these things is immaterial. If we are to believe the reports that frequent these Boards, they aren’t even interested in selling them to people in our age group (over 50). Whatever…Apple has been able to capture the imagination of a lot of people and that is something that so far the HD folks have been unable to do.

Chick, I was in the subway yesterday. There is no cell or two way radio coverage down there. As to HD coverage, until they come up with a portable device we won't know. Once again though, comparng the I-Phone which is like the Sony Pllay station a heavily promoted device to HD radio is like comparing apples to oranges. They do different things. The same lack of supply for demand happens at certain movies when they open or Hybrid Cars etc. Apple helps this along through marketing. If you want to have an Apple product repaired for instance, you have to make an appointment. You can't just walk in and wait. A lot has to do with appearences. Not too long ago there weer those cmplaining about the high price of HiDef radios, yet not a peep about the $500 of the I-Phone. I don't want to read that peoole want one and not the other. That is a lousy argument and doesn't answer the point I'm bringing up.

 

[Chuck]

[ I was in the subway yesterday. There is no cell or two way radio coverage down there. As to HD coverage, until they come up with a portable device we won't know. Once again though, comparng the I-Phone which is like the Sony Pllay station a heavily promoted device to HD radio is like comparing apples to oranges. They do different things. The same lack of supply for demand happens at certain movies when they open or Hybrid Cars etc. Apple helps this along through marketing. If you want to have an Apple product repaired for instance, you have to make an appointment. You can't just walk in and wait. A lot has to do with appearences. Not too long ago there weer those cmplaining about the high price of HiDef radios, yet not a peep about the $500 of the I-Phone. I don't want to read that peoole want one and not the other. That is a lousy argument and doesn't answer the point I'm bringing up.

I'm not persuaded that what either you or I want is relevant.

Does regular radio work in the subway? I doubt it. If you can't get analog reception, it is unlikely that you will get the digital version. It sounds to me like the subway might be a fertile ground for someone who is entrepreneurial enough to exploit it. Don't millions of people use it every day? In London, they are now running TV shows and commercials on some trains. Of course, they originate from a DVD player on board, but they are taking advantage of a captive audience.

The fact of the matter is HD is a very small part of a huge technological revolution. None of us know what the ultimate outcome is, but all in all, I'd have to lean towards the statement that it is "fifteen years too late." That's most likely an exaggeration. It's probably only 5-10 years too late to have the spotlight all to itself.

Like a springtime cold, HD will probably linger on at least in some areas. It actually makes sense in some markets, and for the rest of us it is an answer that is waiting for a question.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

If everyone is forced by R.F. Burns and other HD radio supporters to depend on HD radio in an emergency, we're all DOOMED!

Yes, the Statue of Liberty is in New Jersey, not New York.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

R.F. burns asks:

could the net support the 15 million plus simultanious connects in a city the size of NY?

Perhaps. There are already millions of New Yorkers connected to the internet each day, and Verizon has committed to eventually replacing all copper connections to the demarc with fiber FiOS as they already have in some places, proving it is not only possible, probable, and perhaps inevitable.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Mike Walker said:

Someone doesn't understand how streaming works.

It's you and several others here such as R. F. Burns.

Don't assume that just because you recently found out that the Statue of Liberty is in New Jersey that someone secretly moved it from New York when you weren't looking.

I have been creating, and using, digital audio for decades, and even sending it over the internet. Just because you recently found out about something like digital radio or digital audio, does not make it new, nor does it make you an expert.

Remember digital radio is only a few months old.