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two questions about scoping airchecks

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bobdavcav

How does anyone recommend scoping these two types of clips?
1. A mix show, sometimes the IDs are in the middle of the song, I guess I could just scope around like any other ID, but how about between songs that don't have IDs?
2. An aircheck I recorded has about 4 songs in a row with no sweepers at all. Any recommendations on scoping this?
 
To me, a couple of things are important. 1) You need to leave enough of the song(s) that the aircheck captures the "flavor" that the song gives to the program. 2) Where possible, try to "count the beats" in the music when clipping the song(s), so that the portions blend together. An example of one I did for WGUL can be found on YouTube at: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7D7Zivl7Cps.

As you'll notice, some of my clips (in the middle of songs) worked out well, some not so well. The important thing is to try to capture the total "sound" that the station had, rather than just capture a short portion of it.
Good luck!
 
Right. I will check that out sometime soon. Usually what I'll do is leave a few seconds of the song in at the beginning and a few at the end. If there is no ID in between two songs, then I'll just go right to the end of the second song. The problem though with the clip I am trying to scope is a lot of times when this station runs automated, they'll go 3 or 4 songs without an ID.
 
My instincts are that if there are 4 songs in a row, then I would include all 4 in the aircheck. That preserves the sound and mood that the public expected from that station.

Also, after trying different music portions over the years, I finally decided to preserve more than just a few seconds from each song. Instead, I have started leaving in at least 1 whole line from the beginning of the song and at least part of the final line from the end of the song. If you don't include this much, you just wind up with a choppy aircheck that doesn't really give the listener an idea of what the station sounded like, and may even be unpleasant to listen to.

When you check out the WGUL aircheck, you'll see what I mean by preserving at least 1 line plus the ending of a song.

I'm sure plenty of people would disagree with me on this, but I want my scoped airchecks to have the same flavor and mood that the original program had, and you can't do that with only a few seconds from each song.
 
Again, I'm not saying that I succeeded in the WGUL aircheck, I'm just saying it is an example of what I was trying to do!
 
"The important thing is to try to capture the total "sound" that the station had, rather than just capture a short portion of it."
Click to expand...

And that's why probably the best way to go about it is to just leave your airchecks unscoped. That's (arguably) the best way to capture a station's "sound", as well as give the listener an n excellent idea of its "mood" and "tone".

But then, that's just me.
 
I agree with Darth.  Nothing like an original, unscoped aircheck.  Especially full length shows.

But if you have to scope it for whatever reason my criteria is "can you restore it into a full length unscoped aircheck?"

So while dwtpa97 did a nice job with the music on that WGUL airchecks but I think he/she left out the ads....IMHO.  I would have kept them in.  For full disclosure I only listened to the first few minutes of that aircheck so maybe the ads show up later.  Yes, they are annoying in the present day but you may want them later on.  They can become classic, dated, whatever but they can also help you understand the flow and gait of the show.

As for your 4 songs in a row scenario without any talk or IDs I agree with dw....keep them all in. I'd take the beginning of song #1, the end of song #2 into and including the start of song #3 and then end of song #4. That way you keep the sense/sound of the station and the songs should be identifiable to those familiar with the format.  That way you or someone could always restore it years later.  You never know.

Just my 2 cents.
 
I usually take out the adds. However, if someone wants a scoped version with adds I could do that and I keep the unscoped recordings of all stations I do except for the occasional station where I am only after the legal ID, usually with AM stations.
 
I'd keep the beginning and end of each song. try to make them match beats, that's cool.
Always thought the adds weren't to be included in scoped. I do agree though, unscoped is the best way to hear it.
 
It seems like some guys in Detroit were restoring scoped airchecks by mixing a CD or near mint vinyl copy of the records into the aircheck. They put the whole restored unscoped aircheck on the air. Seems like the airchecks were from WKNR Keener 13 or The Big 8 CKLW.
 
yeah, i've heard XM salutes do that, and it doesn't sound so good.
mono aircheck with compression to stereo track, with beats not even matched (you could hear the edit.)
 
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