Two WEEK old newscast on WWZN

[DanStrassberg]

At 5:00AM today (Monday, 1/11/2010) I tuned in to WWZN just in time to catch the CNN hourly news. Something seemed wrong. The news stories sounded like ones I had heard almost two weeks ago. As the 'cast went on, it became clear that what I was hearing was a 'cast that had been taped a little later in the day on Thursday, 12/31/2009--New Year's Eve day. A thread has been running here about day-old newscasts on WCRN. Several posters thought THAT was egregious. Well, I wonder what they think about a newscast on WWZN that was a few hours shy of 12 DAYS old! (In the nursery rhyme, pea's porridge was only nine days old, yet the rhyme is still popular hundreds of years after it was written. Perhaps, this was simply WWZN's bid for immortality;>) Yeah, you could catch it if you were attentive and had been listening to the news for the past two weeks, but a casual listener could EASILY have been misled--assuming that somebody besides me was tuned in.

It will be interesting to see whether the poster who calls him or herself TalkRadioJunkie and is always so effusive in his/her praise of WWZN and Jeff Santos will have anything to say about THIS gaffe.

 

[ChrisNH]

People in media, believe it or not, have a disdain and contempt for their audience. How else to explain this? WWZN probably thought nothing of it because they didn't expect 'intelligent' people to be listening.

We see TV news reporters standing alongside highways during snowstorms telling you in a solemn tone that, 'If you don't need to be on the roads, you should stay home.'

In a desperate attempt to be 'bright,' media people have a habit of looking and sounding dumb.

 

[Uncle Kaimbridge]

At 5:00AM today (Monday, 1/11/2010) I tuned in to WWZN just in time to catch the CNN hourly news. Something seemed wrong. The news stories sounded like ones I had heard almost two weeks ago. As the 'cast went on, it became clear that what I was hearing was a 'cast that had been taped a little later in the day on Thursday, 12/31/2009--New Year's Eve day.

The reason I suspect for that is that they tape 1.520-WWKB's feed: I noticed a few weeks ago, at 1am they were airing earlier in the evening CNN 'casts, sandwiched between local Buffalo ads/PSAs and even passed their (KB's) legal ID (with no mention of their own——'ZN——ID)!

 

[aerie]

Could it have been during a "best of" program? WKOXKS used to repeat newscasts, weather reports, and even traffic reports during their Saturday repeats. I remember once going through at 65 mph an alleged "5 mile backup on 128" on a Saturday (the backup had been on the previous Tuesday).

 

[Don Juan]

People in media, believe it or not, have a disdain and contempt for their audience. How else to explain this? WWZN probably thought nothing of it because they didn't expect 'intelligent' people to be listening.

You've stated this numerous times on this board, and I think it is incorrect.

Apparently you've had some childhood trauma that has caused you to think this, in spite of being corrected numerous times.

 

[RSKaz]

If it was indeed the CNN newscast that was dated, then the problem emanated from CNN's end, not WWZN.

Not to make excuses, but as seat-of-the-pants as Revolution Boston may seem at times, Santos and his newbie crew are doing one hell of a job considering. The fact Jeff has kept the only progressive format in Boston alive for this long with minimal ad revenue is nothing short of amazing. It can only get better.

 

[rockcaptain]

If it was indeed the CNN newscast that was dated, then the problem emanated from CNN's end, not WWZN.

Don't think so. Do you really think CNN is beaming 2 week old newscasts down from the bird?

 

[Don Juan]

Do you really think CNN is beaming 2 week old newscasts down from the bird?

Sure! Unless you can prove him wrong... LOL!

Trust him, he used to do this for a living! ;-)

 

[DanStrassberg]

If it was indeed the CNN newscast that was dated, then the problem emanated from CNN's end, not WWZN.

The problem was at WWZN; the newscast was followed by a delayed program (Santos's show) from the same day (12/31/2009). Somebody at Santos's outfit or at WWZN needs to learn that if the material you are delaying includes a newscast or a weather forecast, you have to edit it out of the stored material and you have to pick up the replacement material (that is, the CURRENT newscast or weather forecast) from the content provider and insert it into the stream in place of the outdated material. If you don't know that that has to be done (and from your comment, it appears that you don't), you have no business being anywhere within reach of a radio station control console!

 

[MassMusicMan]

I remember once going through at 65 mph an alleged "5 mile backup on 128" on a Saturday (the backup had been on the previous Tuesday).

Slowpoke.

 

[Don Juan]

If it was indeed the CNN newscast that was dated, then the problem emanated from CNN's end, not WWZN.

The problem was at WWZN; the newscast was followed by a delayed program (Santos's show) from the same day (12/31/2009). Somebody at Santos's outfit or at WWZN needs to learn that if the material you are delaying includes a newscast or a weather forecast, you have to edit it out of the stored material and you have to pick up the replacement material (that is, the CURRENT newscast or weather forecast) from the content provider and insert it into the stream in place of the outdated material. If you don't know that that has to be done (and from your comment, it appears that you don't), you have no business being anywhere within reach of a radio station control console!

What? You don't buy the story that CNN was feeding a week old newscast down the line?

 

[Uncle Kaimbridge]

If it was indeed the CNN newscast that was dated, then the problem emanated from CNN's end, not WWZN.

The problem was at WWZN; the newscast was followed by a delayed program (Santos's show) from the same day (12/31/2009). Somebody at Santos's outfit or at WWZN needs to learn that if the material you are delaying includes a newscast or a weather forecast, you have to edit it out of the stored material and you have to pick up the replacement material (that is, the CURRENT newscast or weather forecast) from the content provider and insert it into the stream in place of the outdated material. If you don't know that that has to be done (and from your comment, it appears that you don't), you have no business being anywhere within reach of a radio station control console!

What? You don't buy the story that CNN was feeding a week old newscast down the line?

No, especially when the current CNN news was on both 1.500 and 1.520, at that same time! :

 

[WLYNWAZNgm]

Having worked in news before - my guess would be that they record
newscasts with house numbers that stay consistent. Example : Tuesday, 5pm
newscast is always house number 1000. Each Tuesday they would record the new 5pm
newscast with that same number (override). For some reason, it was not recorded new that day,
and an old version played instead...

 

[DanStrassberg]

Having worked in news before - my guess would be that they record
newscasts with house numbers that stay consistent. Example : Tuesday, 5pm
newscast is always house number 1000. Each Tuesday they would record the new 5pm
newscast with that same number (override). For some reason, it was not recorded new that day,
and an old version played instead...

My guess is that they ignore the news--at least during the Leslie Marshall Show, which I think airs live on WWKB from 9:00PM to midnight and airs on WWZN from 3:00AM to either 5:00AM or 6:00AM the next morning. WWZN must stream 'KB off the Web right to the hard drive--and that includes the CNN 9:00PM, 10:00PM, 11:00PM and maybe midnight newscasts, which must be delayed by six hours on WWZN along with the two or three hours of Marshall that WWZN carries.

I have not yet figured out whether any WWZN legals are inserted in that stream. For sure, WWZN carrles all of the WWKB legals and Western New York commercials. Somehow, I doubt whether many people from Boston are driving out to, say, Cheektowaga to patronize WWKB's advertisers;>) I don't think that airing the 'KB legals on WWZN would violate current FCC rules, but not airing WWZN legals at least once an hour would violate FCC rules.

 

[DToTheJ]

My guess is that they ignore the news--at least during the Leslie Marshall Show, which I think airs live on WWKB from 9:00PM to midnight and airs on WWZN from 3:00AM to either 5:00AM or 6:00AM the next morning. WWZN must stream 'KB off the Web right to the hard drive--and that includes the CNN 9:00PM, 10:00PM, 11:00PM and maybe midnight newscasts...

Hey, genius, WWKB/Buffalo does not even stream their station online! In fact, the only time one can hear a live feed of WWKB is during Leslie Marshall's show. The stream that is offered on Leslie's website is a raw feed of WWKB for the duration of her show. I'm thinking WWZN used Leslie's stream.

 

[DanStrassberg]

Hey, genius, WWKB/Buffalo does not even stream their station online! In fact, the only time one can hear a live feed of WWKB is during Leslie Marshall's show. The stream that is offered on Leslie's website is a raw feed of WWKB for the duration of her show. I'm thinking WWZN used Leslie's stream.

I don't think the "Hey, genius" sarcasm was called for. Although I had indeed assumed that WWZN was airing KB's stream and not Leslie's, I said that I thought that WWZN was airing a stream of WWKB. Since, during her show, Leslie's site (or her show's site--if it is separate from HER personal site--if she has a personal site) feeds an unedited stream of what 'KB is airing, what I wrote appears to have been 100% accurate.

 

[Don Juan]

Hey, genius, WWKB/Buffalo does not even stream their station online!

Hey know-it-all, sometimes stations have "hidden streams" that are not available to the public, but are available with a password for engineering, syndicators, consultants, etc.

 

[WLYNWAZNgm]

Sorry, but I am much more likely to believe in technical problems
(computers are EVIL machines!) than I believe in political
conspiracy theories! ;D ;D ;D

 

[Silkie]

LOL - I heard a station put on a five year old program of a little jock who just didn't show up for work for awhile. Yep, the jock is still there, still not showing up from time to time, still playing all manner of games.

 

[IMATALKRADIOJUNKIE]

Mr. Strassberg you'd be happy to hear that even I agree, what hurts Jeff and AM1510 is the lacking effort of his producers when it comes to production. I agree that its lazy to not take out the old news. More imprtantly it hurts the respectability that Jeff's show has built. Jeff is a good enough host to overcome this. He will rise above it.