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"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"

"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"

"But officials from General Motors Corp. and Chrysler Group said they were not rushing to commit to the devices, which would cost the struggling Big Three U.S. automakers as much as an estimated $600 million annually to install. We're investigating HD radio and we'll probably make a decision in six months. When you add up the cost, it's a lot of money," said Michael Kane, director of technology strategy for Chrysler, a unit of DaimlerChrysler AG. The radios are estimated to cost about $45 each to install, or each of the three carmakers about $150 million to $200 million annually, automotive industry sources said... But the nascent industry faces challenges since few people have bought the special receivers to get the signals, and many radio stations are still unwilling to convert to digital. An executive who oversees satellite radio services for GM said the carmaker had no plans to install HD radios until the devices catch on. I don't think there are too many American carmakers jumping on this. It's a fairly expensive proposition to put that technology in a vehicle and there's no certainty around the revenues associated with it, said Rick Lee, executive director of satellite radio services for GM unit OnStar. We don't know if there's demand there or not and we're not inclined to test that market, he said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN2632750220070427?pageNumber=1

Finally, some good information on the costs of in-dash HD Radio. Looks like it isn't going to happen, with the U.S. auto industry - since the industry is already struggling, they aren't going to fork-over hundreds-of-millions. This could be the final-straw for HD Radio ! :D
 
PocketRadio said:
"U.S. automakers not jumping into HD Radio"

"But officials from General Motors Corp. and Chrysler Group said they were not rushing to commit to the devices, which would cost the struggling Big Three U.S. automakers as much as an estimated $600 million annually to install. We're investigating HD radio and we'll probably make a decision in six months. When you add up the cost, it's a lot of money," said Michael Kane, director of technology strategy for Chrysler, a unit of DaimlerChrysler AG. The radios are estimated to cost about $45 each to install, or each of the three carmakers about $150 million to $200 million annually, automotive industry sources said... But the nascent industry faces challenges since few people have bought the special receivers to get the signals, and many radio stations are still unwilling to convert to digital. An executive who oversees satellite radio services for GM said the carmaker had no plans to install HD radios until the devices catch on. I don't think there are too many American carmakers jumping on this. It's a fairly expensive proposition to put that technology in a vehicle and there's no certainty around the revenues associated with it, said Rick Lee, executive director of satellite radio services for GM unit OnStar. We don't know if there's demand there or not and we're not inclined to test that market, he said."

http://www.reuters.com/article/ousiv/idUSN2632750220070427?pageNumber=1

Finally, some good information on the costs of in-dash HD Radio. Looks like it isn't going to happen, with the U.S. auto industry - since the industry is already struggling, they aren't going to fork-over hundreds-of-millions. This could be the final-straw for HD Radio ! :D

Good find PocketRadio!

The usual pro-HD crowd will now come in droves to defeat this article... since THEY know more about what goes on behind closed auto industries board meetings. If it was up the them they'd make the decision for the auto executives!

Radiopilot
 
And the decision they'll make is to include it. Does anyone REALLY think HD won't be in the products of major car makers in a year or so? After all, terrestrial radio accounts for more then 90 percent of ALL radio listening!
 
Mike Walker said:
And the decision they'll make is to include it. Does anyone REALLY think HD won't be in the products of major car makers in a year or so? After all, terrestrial radio accounts for more then 90 percent of ALL radio listening!

Yeah right... that's why right now I'm enjoying AM stereo and 4CH Quad FM on my radios along with the millions of radio listeners and the billions of radios out there are so equipped... NOT!

Radiopilot
 
There is no incentive ($$$) for the US carmakers to include HD radio, as was the case with the satellite providers. Considering US carmakers' current financial state, I think their basic question is will HD help them sell new cars or somehow enhance their bottom-lines; the simple answer is no.
 
Mike Walker said:
And the decision they'll make is to include it. Does anyone REALLY think HD won't be in the products of major car makers in a year or so? After all, terrestrial radio accounts for more then 90 percent of ALL radio listening!

Since HD radios are a $500 option on other vehicles, along with the $45 installation cost, this would be passed onto consumers, as either an option, or as an increase in the base price of vehicles - good luck.
 
PocketRadio said:
Mike Walker said:
And the decision they'll make is to include it. Does anyone REALLY think HD won't be in the products of major car makers in a year or so? After all, terrestrial radio accounts for more then 90 percent of ALL radio listening!

Since HD radios are a $500 option on other vehicles, along with the $45 installation cost, this would be passed onto consumers, as either an option, or as an increase in the base price of vehicles - good luck.

Especially since no one listens to terrestrial radio in their cars... they are either listening to satelite, Ipods, or CD's, or retransmitting the mp3's through an FM modulator into the radio... My daughter NEVER listens to the radio she says... all her friends have satelite and or the connection for their Ipods to the radio....

Good Luck on selling HD radios in cars.... they're not even selling now in the stores!

Radiopilot
 
radiopilot said:
Especially since no one listens to terrestrial radio in their cars... they are either listening to satelite, Ipods, or CD's, or retransmitting the mp3's through an FM modulator into the radio... My daughter NEVER listens to the radio she says... all her friends have satelite and or the connection for their Ipods to the radio....

Good Luck on selling HD radios in cars.... they're not even selling now in the stores!

Radiopilot

"Apple: More than 70 Percent of 2007 Cars will have iPod Support"

http://tinyurl.com/2sgeks

Yea, my kids hate the radio, too. In-dash iPod support will definately help kill in-dash HD Radio !
 
The Ipod ain't a radio. I doesn't give you news, local sports, weather, or let you know what the president just said. My 1972 Chevelle SS had an eight track. That didn't keep me from listening to the radio. Recorded vs. live entertainment...there's always been a balance between the two. The COMPLIMENT each other. No matter how many songs you own, there are always some you haven't heard yet. Ask an artist or record company where the emphasis is for selling new music. Wait, I'll spare you the expense. It's RADIO.
 
Mike Walker said:
The Ipod ain't a radio. I doesn't give you news, local sports, weather, or let you know what the president just said. My 1972 Chevelle SS had an eight track. That didn't keep me from listening to the radio. Recorded vs. live entertainment...there's always been a balance between the two. The COMPLIMENT each other. No matter how many songs you own, there are always some you haven't heard yet. Ask an artist or record company where the emphasis is for selling new music. Wait, I'll spare you the expense. It's RADIO.

Clarion BLT370
Clarion Bluetooth w/Audio Streaming Expected: 5/18/2007

"Hands-free Cell Phone Kits"

"Allows you to set up a Bluetooth wireless connection between your compatible Clarion car stereo and your cell phone for hands-free calling and music streaming • sends and receives calls."

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-H4BwHg130xE/cgi-bin/ProdGroup.asp?g=280050

In-dash iPod jacks circumvent terrestrial radio listening - the same thing is happening, with cell phones and Bluetooth.
 
Mike Walker said:
The Ipod ain't a radio. I doesn't give you news, local sports, weather, or let you know what the president just said. My 1972 Chevelle SS had an eight track. That didn't keep me from listening to the radio. Recorded vs. live entertainment...there's always been a balance between the two. The COMPLIMENT each other. No matter how many songs you own, there are always some you haven't heard yet. Ask an artist or record company where the emphasis is for selling new music. Wait, I'll spare you the expense. It's RADIO.

I've got two driving age children, from MY experience they NEVER listen to the radio, they both have satelite and Ipod hookups to the car radio.. that's ALL they listen to, I asked them why they don't listen to the latest tunes on the CHR or Rock stations, their answer: FM RADIO SUCKS!!!!

Do you have children? Real first hand knowledge of what kids listen to? I do know since I devote alot of time at the high school broadcasting studios (mostly TV and graphic arts), and not one single one listens to radio based on questions I posed to them...

SORRY Mike if you are blind to that fact (no pun intended), but kids just don't care about terrestrial radio once they got over the Disney Radio years...

Radiopilot
 
Mike Walker said:
And the decision they'll make is to include it. Does anyone REALLY think HD won't be in the products of major car makers in a year or so? After all, terrestrial radio accounts for more then 90 percent of ALL radio listening!

And they already have terrestrial radios in the cars.
 
Kids DO care about new music, and they can get it FREE on HD. I know they can get it free on the internet, but what they can't ever be is SURPRISED by what they hear.

And the arbitron numbers for young listeners sure don't show that "nobody listens". They actually show the EVERYBODY listens some, but attention IS divided among young listeners by things like mp3, the internet, video games, etc. But most young people DO listen SOME to the radio. Young men listen to sports. Somewhat older young men listen to political talk. Young women listen to "hot ac", and later "lite" formats. Teens and younger listen to top-40. ALL are still doing quite well.
 
Mike Walker said:
Kids DO care about new music, and they can get it FREE on HD. I know they can get it free on the internet, but what they can't ever be is SURPRISED by what they hear.

And the arbitron numbers for young listeners sure don't show that "nobody listens". They actually show the EVERYBODY listens some, but attention IS divided among young listeners by things like mp3, the internet, video games, etc. But most young people DO listen SOME to the radio. Young men listen to sports. Somewhat older young men listen to political talk. Young women listen to "hot ac", and later "lite" formats. Teens and younger listen to top-40. ALL are still doing quite well.

Why do you think the sales of iPods are exploding - people want control over their choice of music.
 
I think sales of Ipods are exploding because Apple has a great advertising agency. I LOVE MP3 PLAYERS, and have bunches of 'em. I just bought another this week. NONE OF THEM ARE IPODS, because though number one in sales, they're not even in the top ten (imho) in sound quality, versatility, durability, or features.

Beta was better than VHS. Laserdisc was better than tape. ARCHOS and CREATIVE (among others) make FAR better media players than Apple! But Ipods are today's turntables and/or cassette decks. Just as sale of records and turntables/walkman units didn't have a thing in the world to do with radio listening a generation ago, Ipod has nothing much to do with radio listening today. Radio ain't exactly dyin'! WE'RE DOING QUITE WELL!
 
Mike Walker said:
I think sales of Ipods are exploding because Apple has a great advertising agency.

"Apple iPods Rated As Most Popular MP3 Player On The Market"

"Its tremendous success is due to the balancing of several key factors: size, appearance, power, cost, and its user-friendly navigation. These factors combined with an aggressive counterculture advertising campaign, Apple has created a dedicated group of customers. Having the latest tunes on the iPod has become a craze and a culture. Apple followed with the release of their iTunes Music Store, allowing users to legally download songs for 99 cents, and then easily transfer them to their iPod. So far, there have been over 600 million songs purchased. It only takes a few minutes to download your favorite tunes on to the iPod. No more shuffling around CD's, no more scratched discs."

http://tinyurl.com/2okcsm

iPods and cell phones with Bluetooth, will have a huge impact on the amount of in-dash terrestrial radio listening.
 
PocketRadio said:
Mike Walker said:
I think sales of Ipods are exploding because Apple has a great advertising agency.

"Apple iPods Rated As Most Popular MP3 Player On The Market"

"Its tremendous success is due to the balancing of several key factors: size, appearance, power, cost, and its user-friendly navigation. These factors combined with an aggressive counterculture advertising campaign, Apple has created a dedicated group of customers. Having the latest tunes on the iPod has become a craze and a culture. Apple followed with the release of their iTunes Music Store, allowing users to legally download songs for 99 cents, and then easily transfer them to their iPod. So far, there have been over 600 million songs purchased. It only takes a few minutes to download your favorite tunes on to the iPod. No more shuffling around CD's, no more scratched discs."

http://tinyurl.com/2okcsm

iPods and cell phones with Bluetooth, will have a huge impact on the amount of in-dash terrestrial radio listening.

When HD is available in Toyotas and Hondas the fact that GM hasn't made up its mind yet will make little difference. I drive a 1995 Saturn and had every intention of purchasing another when the time came. Unfortunately GM is so screwed up and so poorly run that that have interfeared with Saturn. Saturn was supposed to be a reasonably priced competitor to the imports and relatively independent of GM. What happened is that today it offers a full line of vehicles each with mediocre MPG ratings. In this day when a Honda gets 40 MPG on the highway the Saturn is pulling a 27 MPG. At 3 dollars a gallon that's a major difference. Saturn is building SUV's and 6 cylinder sedans, and their compact ION has MPG ratins in the upper 20's on the highway. which is fine when gas was 90 cents a gallon but who's going to buy a gas guzzler when obviously gas prices aren't coming down any time soon. That's just one example of how screwed up GM is when it comes to producing a product that people really want. All of this is part of why they are no longer the number one auto manufacturer in America.
 
"70 percent of US autos to be iPod compatible"

"Apple's iPod looks set to take an unassailable position in the US in-car entertainment market through new agreements that will see 70 percent of new US autos shipping with iPod integration by 2007. Apple announced on 3 August agreements with Ford Motor Company, General Motors and Mazda to deliver "seamless iPod integration" across the majority of their brands and model."

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/5190/127/

"iPod to Toyota"

"SoundGate's TOYPD, the first Toyota-specific iPod interface developed for many 1998-2007 Toyota vehicles has two inputs; the first allows the addition of an iPod and provides direct control of the iPod through the vehicle's factory radio and steering wheel controls while charging the iPod."

http://tinyurl.com/32efse

"Nissan Rolls Out iPod-Compatible Navigation System"

"The iPod's extraordinary worldwide fame and success are beginning to draw the attention of the car manufacturers, and since many users enjoy having their iPod around them at all times, it’s only normal that the automobile industry has decided to try and take advantage of this trend, somehow."

http://tinyurl.com/3486ov

"Acura/Honda iPod Interface"

http://www.logjamelectronics.com/ipodacura.html

HD Radio - too-little-too-late ! :D
 
PocketRadio said:
"70 percent of US autos to be iPod compatible"

"Apple's iPod looks set to take an unassailable position in the US in-car entertainment market through new agreements that will see 70 percent of new US autos shipping with iPod integration by 2007. Apple announced on 3 August agreements with Ford Motor Company, General Motors and Mazda to deliver "seamless iPod integration" across the majority of their brands and model."

http://www.itwire.com.au/content/view/5190/127/

"iPod to Toyota"

"SoundGate's TOYPD, the first Toyota-specific iPod interface developed for many 1998-2007 Toyota vehicles has two inputs; the first allows the addition of an iPod and provides direct control of the iPod through the vehicle's factory radio and steering wheel controls while charging the iPod."

http://tinyurl.com/32efse

"Nissan Rolls Out iPod-Compatible Navigation System"

"The iPod's extraordinary worldwide fame and success are beginning to draw the attention of the car manufacturers, and since many users enjoy having their iPod around them at all times, it’s only normal that the automobile industry has decided to try and take advantage of this trend, somehow."

http://tinyurl.com/3486ov

"Acura/Honda iPod Interface"

http://www.logjamelectronics.com/ipodacura.html

HD Radio - too-little-too-late ! :D

We have four I-pods in our family. When I can get the news and weather on my I-pod let me know. Comparing I-pods to radio is like comparing Recordings to live events. They are different things. Not everyone is one dimensional.
 
Mike and Burns have things totally backwards as usual.
Mike said:
Kids DO care about new music, and they can get it FREE on HD. I know they can get it free on the internet, but what they can't ever be is SURPRISED by what they hear.
Burns said:
Comparing I-pods to radio is like comparing Recordings to live events.

AM, FM and HD radio programming is predominantly the same old limited, over researched, frequently repeated, playola lists of recorded matter provided by a handful of dominant sources. Very little is actually live, and on HD radio, all is digitally delayed (recorded).

Virtually all SURPISES are from alternate fresh new sources, and the variety of many thousands of innovative internet streams. Yes, even sports, news, talk, and many formats unavailable on AM, FM, or HD from fresh new talent provides variety and SURPRISES old fashioned radio can only envy, and iBuzz about.
 
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