Uban Radio

[kilamanjero]

3. PPM that almost totally ignores African-Americans ( Arbitron so what else is new)

Actually, not so. Look at Houston, where Radio One spent a lot of money finding out why The Box and KMJQ sucked in PPM, and, after finding out the defects, fixed them. They are now consistently in the top 3 or 4 stations 18-49 in that market.

The sample is proportional to the population in each demo cell, and if there is any discrepancy, weighting up or down is done.

Is why k104 is in 10th place.

KKDA debuted 4th in the target demo (18-49) and got as high as 3rd before dropping out of the top 10. That's a programming issue, not an Arbitron issue.

Not to mention that KBXX & KMJQ are the only Urban stations in the Houston, if both stations had competiton like in DFW then ratings maybe different.

Exactly. Radio One Houston cluster are the only urban stations on the FM dial there. They are also severely skewed on both ends hence why you have local artist suing the parent company (Radio One) because of its bias on local artists. Houston is like the only major market in the top 10 with a large black population where its' urban stations are monopolized by one radio group.

 

[bucwhyl]

Your tellem' Salem! Did you understand what my boy Salem said?

 

[bucwhyl]

I do know one thing. I'm enjoying these mixes that K104 is doing right now. Something I wouldn't hear if Ken "Doubt" was still there.

 

[domino1059]

I'll put my two cents in because to an extent EVERYBODY is partially right. There will never be enough sample size to make everyone happy so you have to learn how to play the PPM game.

I worked at K104 and had some really stellar PPM weeks and months( I had some shit ones too) The one thing I tried to get them to realize was the Product and the not the package. The product is Hip Hop Music, it's not just Black, but White, Latino, Asian, everthing. Why only sell your product to 15% of the market??

I'm convinced the reason I did well in Middays was simple. I was known in the Top 40 arena from Kissfm and in the Latino sector from La Kalle. My percentage of Black listeners was lower than the rest of the station but my percentages of Whites and Latino's was significantly higher..PLAYING THE SAME MUSIC.

Being "True" to your core doesn't mean you have to blow off everybody else and as the Demographics of Dallas continue to get more Hispanic the need to recognize the diversity will become more and more evident.

I have nothing but Respect for Ken Dowe, he did it right in his own way and so does Michael Erickson. He's a radio genius, he just doesn't get Dallas yet. I live down here in Orlando now and gotta hit the beach...miss Dallas though

 

[kilamanjero]

I'll put my two cents in because to an extent EVERYBODY is partially right. There will never be enough sample size to make everyone happy so you have to learn how to play the PPM game.

I worked at K104 and had some really stellar PPM weeks and months( I had some shit ones too) The one thing I tried to get them to realize was the Product and the not the package. The product is Hip Hop Music, it's not just Black, but White, Latino, Asian, everthing. Why only sell your product to 15% of the market??

I'm convinced the reason I did well in Middays was simple. I was known in the Top 40 arena from Kissfm and in the Latino sector from La Kalle. My percentage of Black listeners was lower than the rest of the station but my percentages of Whites and Latino's was significantly higher..PLAYING THE SAME MUSIC.

Being "True" to your core doesn't mean you have to blow off everybody else and as the Demographics of Dallas continue to get more Hispanic the need to recognize the diversity will become more and more evident.

I have nothing but Respect for Ken Dowe, he did it right in his own way and so does Michael Erickson. He's a radio genius, he just doesn't get Dallas yet. I live down here in Orlando now and gotta hit the beach...miss Dallas though

In other words, K104 needs to diversify itself in audience reach, and I agree.

Maybe they need to merge the stations of KRNB with KKDA and create an urban contemporary powerhouse under the heritage "K104" brand where its dayparted to appease all segments of the population who would listen to an urban music station. KRNB continuously at the bottom of the ratings heap because of its fringe signal and all-over-the-place Urban AC format, and it's practically impossible for them to move it any closer to the Metroplex. One strong station with a full market signal @ 104.5 signal is way better than 2 stations both veering off course for Service Broadcasting. They could just use the 105.7 signal as FM simulcast of the KKDA-AM brand...

 

[bucwhyl]

I'll put my two cents in because to an extent EVERYBODY is partially right. There will never be enough sample size to make everyone happy so you have to learn how to play the PPM game.

I worked at K104 and had some really stellar PPM weeks and months( I had some shit ones too) The one thing I tried to get them to realize was the Product and the not the package. The product is Hip Hop Music, it's not just Black, but White, Latino, Asian, everthing. Why only sell your product to 15% of the market??

I'm convinced the reason I did well in Middays was simple. I was known in the Top 40 arena from Kissfm and in the Latino sector from La Kalle. My percentage of Black listeners was lower than the rest of the station but my percentages of Whites and Latino's was significantly higher..PLAYING THE SAME MUSIC.

Being "True" to your core doesn't mean you have to blow off everybody else and as the Demographics of Dallas continue to get more Hispanic the need to recognize the diversity will become more and more evident.

I have nothing but Respect for Ken Dowe, he did it right in his own way and so does Michael Erickson. He's a radio genius, he just doesn't get Dallas yet. I live down here in Orlando now and gotta hit the beach...miss Dallas though

In other words, K104 needs to diversify itself in audience reach, and I agree.

Maybe they need to merge the stations of KRNB with KKDA and create an urban contemporary powerhouse under the heritage "K104" brand where its dayparted to appease all segments of the population who would listen to an urban music station. KRNB continuously at the bottom of the ratings heap because of its fringe signal and all-over-the-place Urban AC format, and it's practically impossible for them to move it any closer to the Metroplex. One strong station with a full market signal @ 104.5 signal is way better than 2 stations both veering off course for Service Broadcasting. They could just use the 105.7 signal as FM simulcast of the KKDA-AM brand...

In other words, do what they were doing before KRNB came along.... Brilliant!

 

[kilamanjero]

I'll put my two cents in because to an extent EVERYBODY is partially right. There will never be enough sample size to make everyone happy so you have to learn how to play the PPM game.

I worked at K104 and had some really stellar PPM weeks and months( I had some shit ones too) The one thing I tried to get them to realize was the Product and the not the package. The product is Hip Hop Music, it's not just Black, but White, Latino, Asian, everthing. Why only sell your product to 15% of the market??

I'm convinced the reason I did well in Middays was simple. I was known in the Top 40 arena from Kissfm and in the Latino sector from La Kalle. My percentage of Black listeners was lower than the rest of the station but my percentages of Whites and Latino's was significantly higher..PLAYING THE SAME MUSIC.

Being "True" to your core doesn't mean you have to blow off everybody else and as the Demographics of Dallas continue to get more Hispanic the need to recognize the diversity will become more and more evident.

I have nothing but Respect for Ken Dowe, he did it right in his own way and so does Michael Erickson. He's a radio genius, he just doesn't get Dallas yet. I live down here in Orlando now and gotta hit the beach...miss Dallas though

In other words, K104 needs to diversify itself in audience reach, and I agree.

Maybe they need to merge the stations of KRNB with KKDA and create an urban contemporary powerhouse under the heritage "K104" brand where its dayparted to appease all segments of the population who would listen to an urban music station. KRNB continuously at the bottom of the ratings heap because of its fringe signal and all-over-the-place Urban AC format, and it's practically impossible for them to move it any closer to the Metroplex. One strong station with a full market signal @ 104.5 signal is way better than 2 stations both veering off course for Service Broadcasting. They could just use the 105.7 signal as FM simulcast of the KKDA-AM brand...

In other words, do what they were doing before KRNB came along.... Brilliant!

Pretty much...serve up the hip-hop & R&B music with throwbacks mixed in throughout the day, bring back the "Quiet Storm" slow jams at night, and the non-stop mixes (Friday @ 6PM through Saturday night then again Sunday afternoon until 10PM) to keep everybody snapping their necks every weekend. Problem solved.

 

[salemjedi54]

I'll put my two cents in because to an extent EVERYBODY is partially right. There will never be enough sample size to make everyone happy so you have to learn how to play the PPM game.

I worked at K104 and had some really stellar PPM weeks and months( I had some shit ones too) The one thing I tried to get them to realize was the Product and the not the package. The product is Hip Hop Music, it's not just Black, but White, Latino, Asian, everthing. Why only sell your product to 15% of the market??

I'm convinced the reason I did well in Middays was simple. I was known in the Top 40 arena from Kissfm and in the Latino sector from La Kalle. My percentage of Black listeners was lower than the rest of the station but my percentages of Whites and Latino's was significantly higher..PLAYING THE SAME MUSIC.

Being "True" to your core doesn't mean you have to blow off everybody else and as the Demographics of Dallas continue to get more Hispanic the need to recognize the diversity will become more and more evident.

I have nothing but Respect for Ken Dowe, he did it right in his own way and so does Michael Erickson. He's a radio genius, he just doesn't get Dallas yet. I live down here in Orlando now and gotta hit the beach...miss Dallas though

In other words, K104 needs to diversify itself in audience reach, and I agree.

Maybe they need to merge the stations of KRNB with KKDA and create an urban contemporary powerhouse under the heritage "K104" brand where its dayparted to appease all segments of the population who would listen to an urban music station. KRNB continuously at the bottom of the ratings heap because of its fringe signal and all-over-the-place Urban AC format, and it's practically impossible for them to move it any closer to the Metroplex. One strong station with a full market signal @ 104.5 signal is way better than 2 stations both veering off course for Service Broadcasting. They could just use the 105.7 signal as FM simulcast of the KKDA-AM brand...

That could work, but that would be listening chaos.

 

[kilamanjero]

I'll put my two cents in because to an extent EVERYBODY is partially right. There will never be enough sample size to make everyone happy so you have to learn how to play the PPM game.

I worked at K104 and had some really stellar PPM weeks and months( I had some shit ones too) The one thing I tried to get them to realize was the Product and the not the package. The product is Hip Hop Music, it's not just Black, but White, Latino, Asian, everthing. Why only sell your product to 15% of the market??

I'm convinced the reason I did well in Middays was simple. I was known in the Top 40 arena from Kissfm and in the Latino sector from La Kalle. My percentage of Black listeners was lower than the rest of the station but my percentages of Whites and Latino's was significantly higher..PLAYING THE SAME MUSIC.

Being "True" to your core doesn't mean you have to blow off everybody else and as the Demographics of Dallas continue to get more Hispanic the need to recognize the diversity will become more and more evident.

I have nothing but Respect for Ken Dowe, he did it right in his own way and so does Michael Erickson. He's a radio genius, he just doesn't get Dallas yet. I live down here in Orlando now and gotta hit the beach...miss Dallas though

In other words, K104 needs to diversify itself in audience reach, and I agree.

Maybe they need to merge the stations of KRNB with KKDA and create an urban contemporary powerhouse under the heritage "K104" brand where its dayparted to appease all segments of the population who would listen to an urban music station. KRNB continuously at the bottom of the ratings heap because of its fringe signal and all-over-the-place Urban AC format, and it's practically impossible for them to move it any closer to the Metroplex. One strong station with a full market signal @ 104.5 signal is way better than 2 stations both veering off course for Service Broadcasting. They could just use the 105.7 signal as FM simulcast of the KKDA-AM brand...

That could work, but that would be listening chaos.

Not really considering that was how K104 was programmed prior to the existence of KRNB for nearly 2 decades.

 

[bucwhyl]

That was good radio back then. Remember when 100.3 Jamz did "The Thunderstorm" and right after that, "Under the Covers"?

 

[bucwhyl]

Ok, let's play what if...

What if K104 went back to being a full service urban. Who would the lineup be?
This is who I would like to hear:
10a-2p:KJ
2p-6p:Suga Rae
6p-10p:Bay-Bay
10p-2a:Sean Andre(Quietstorm)
Overnights:Tony Mathis

Who would do mornings? The Playground or Steve Harvey?

 

[adub]

Hey Man

Don't know what k104 can do to that madhouse.
However KRNB should:
#1 Beg and pay Skip, Sam & Chris to am drive (Bye Bye Steve)
#2 Mid-days (who Cares)
#3 PM Drive (Jockless) just play the music and give the traffic.
#4 "Quiet Storm" Beg & Pay Rudy V,
#5 "After The Storm" Night-Time Dawg would work.
#6 Overnights (who cares)

Play all the R&B new & old. Keep the mix shows. Spend some money for promotions (3) big concerts a year and give away real money.

Radio Like Politics Is All Local

 

[kilamanjero]

Ok, let's play what if...

What if K104 went back to being a full service urban. Who would the lineup be?
This is who I would like to hear:
10a-2p:KJ
2p-6p:Suga Rae
6p-10p:Bay-Bay
10p-2a:Sean Andre(Quietstorm)
Overnights:Tony Mathis

Who would do mornings? The Playground or Steve Harvey?

Keep the local morning show under another name aside from "Da Playhouse", which just sounds "blah". Also they should have kept Chris Arnold since he is a market vet, a sports expert, and an additional regular male perspective aside from Skip Cheatham. The morning show should be a mature-youthful balance that could win both 18-34 and 25-54 demos against Tom Joyner on K-Soul & Rickey Smiley on the Beat.

 

[kilamanjero]

That was good radio back then. Remember when 100.3 Jamz did "The Thunderstorm" and right after that, "Under the Covers"?

Sorry, I knew about 100.3 Jamz, but most of its heyday were before my time. From my knowledge the station was a banger for sure tho. It makes me mad that CBS dumped the format before they realized it full potential in the 2000s, where it could have flourished like heritage full-service urban sisters WVEE/Atlanta and WPGC-FM/Washington. DFW Metroplex lost a major urban player.

 

[gettinbyagain]

Back then however people still had diaries and still wrote down the station they knew and loved (at heart) K104.... even though they may have spent considerable time listening to JAMZ. Being in the "biz" and now owning my own "biz", I liked Jamz alot, but understood why CBS had to dump it.....the dreaded bottom line.. Unfortunate but true. I know, and continue to learn this every day.

 

[bucwhyl]

When I heard that 100.3 Jamz was gone, I think was the worst news I heard in 1995.

 

[salemjedi54]

That was good radio back then. Remember when 100.3 Jamz did "The Thunderstorm" and right after that, "Under the Covers"?

Sorry, I knew about 100.3 Jamz, but most of its heyday were before my time. From my knowledge the station was a banger for sure tho. It makes me mad that CBS dumped the format before they realized it full potential in the 2000s, where it could have flourished like heritage full-service urban sisters WVEE/Atlanta and WPGC-FM/Washington. DFW Metroplex lost a major urban player.

CBS never owned KJMZ. Granum Communications owned KJMZ. When Granum got Joyner, the plan was to flip to V100, which they did on 9/1/1995. In 1996 CBS bought all the Granum Communications stations.

 

[charles123]

That was good radio back then. Remember when 100.3 Jamz did "The Thunderstorm" and right after that, "Under the Covers"?

Sorry, I knew about 100.3 Jamz, but most of its heyday were before my time. From my knowledge the station was a banger for sure tho. It makes me mad that CBS dumped the format before they realized it full potential in the 2000s, where it could have flourished like heritage full-service urban sisters WVEE/Atlanta and WPGC-FM/Washington. DFW Metroplex lost a major urban player.

CBS never owned KJMZ. Granum Communications owned KJMZ. When Granum got Joyner, the plan was to flip to V100, which they did on 9/1/1995. In 1996 CBS bought all the Granum Communications stations.

Was KJMZ owned by Viacom back then?

 

[charles123]

That was good radio back then. Remember when 100.3 Jamz did "The Thunderstorm" and right after that, "Under the Covers"?

Sorry, I knew about 100.3 Jamz, but most of its heyday were before my time. From my knowledge the station was a banger for sure tho. It makes me mad that CBS dumped the format before they realized it full potential in the 2000s, where it could have flourished like heritage full-service urban sisters WVEE/Atlanta and WPGC-FM/Washington. DFW Metroplex lost a major urban player.

CBS never owned KJMZ. Granum Communications owned KJMZ. When Granum got Joyner, the plan was to flip to V100, which they did on 9/1/1995. In 1996 CBS bought all the Granum Communications stations.

Nevermind

 

[kilamanjero]

That was good radio back then. Remember when 100.3 Jamz did "The Thunderstorm" and right after that, "Under the Covers"?

Sorry, I knew about 100.3 Jamz, but most of its heyday were before my time. From my knowledge the station was a banger for sure tho. It makes me mad that CBS dumped the format before they realized it full potential in the 2000s, where it could have flourished like heritage full-service urban sisters WVEE/Atlanta and WPGC-FM/Washington. DFW Metroplex lost a major urban player.

CBS never owned KJMZ. Granum Communications owned KJMZ. When Granum got Joyner, the plan was to flip to V100, which they did on 9/1/1995. In 1996 CBS bought all the Granum Communications stations.

Oh wow! I just remember CBS grabbing all those urban stations in Atlanta, Baltimore, Washington, and Dallas around the mid-1990s. I knew the ones in Washington were owned by Cook Inlet.