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andreajesus
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who's paying this promoter to try and push Beyonce like this?? the only thing jazzy about Beyonce is some of the stuff in her "House of Dereon" line of clothes, for pete's sakes (I have a couple of her t-shirts.....) 
you know, somehow, i'm thinking that when they come up with the terms "crossover" and "multi-formatted artists", that MISS Beyonce Knowles was NOT what they had in mind....
you know, somehow, i'm thinking that when they come up with the terms "crossover" and "multi-formatted artists", that MISS Beyonce Knowles was NOT what they had in mind....
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majaman78
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Nock said:
Yuk, yuk...rotflmao!!! Gotta be those geniuses at BA. :
Who are they passing off as the next great smooth jazz artist, David Archuleta???? ;D
This is the segue to smooth A/C. No difference between Beyonce and Wayne Brady or Terrence Howard. Beyonce is just a bigger name so you see it and go ???
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andreajesus
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majaman78 said:Nock said:
Yuk, yuk...rotflmao!!! Gotta be those geniuses at BA. :
Who are they passing off as the next great smooth jazz artist, David Archuleta???? ;D
Nah, I heard it was Elliot Yamin (OY!!)
But seriously, I thought it was stretching it when the old WQCD in NYC was playing Marvin Gaye (thank God it was from his "What's Going On" album....
) but at least with Marvin, if one thought outside the box ENOUGH, it could work ("Inner City Blues" has a NICE jam to it....)...but i'm still sayin with this Beyonce thing - cmon - who's paying who to shine who's "you-know-what"??! Grant you that Miss Beyonce is a good singer who has hit in multi-formats (her "Listen" from the "Dreamgirls" soundtrack was SWEET!! :-*), but...sorry, homegirl, jazz ain't your bag!! I'm not understanding Ingrid Michaelson either..kind of a clone of that girl who did "Bubbly" but I remember the Baltimore station playing that.
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Double D
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Nock said:
Coincidentally, Kepler is "showcasing" Beyonce this week in his infamous Smooth Jazz Top 20 Feedback Track.
I will be voting 1 (the lowest rating possible) on this pathetic monstrosity, and I encourage everyone else to send Kepler a message by doing the same!!
Beyonce Smooth Jazz Top 20 Feedback Track - Click Here to Vote "1" & Send Kepler A Message
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Double D
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AC Tones said:I just gave it a "2" DD, just to be different
FYI, you can vote multiple times, but you have to use a new browser session for subsequent votes to count!!
Vote early, and vote often!!
We need another version of "At Last" Think we can get Jessica Simpson to cover "Sexual Healing"?
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andreajesus
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I'd rather see Jessica cover "At Last"...."Sexual Healing"? Nah...
Let's not kill the messengers here! Cliff and Jason Gorov have done more for the smooth jazz format than many others and all they are trying to do is make a living like the rest of us. I know for a fact that their business, along with many other decent reps, is way off with the downturn of the format but give them a break. So someone paid them to push a cover version of an Etta James tune by Beyonce from a movie soundtrack. Is that a great cover? Up to you. Do you want to play it? Up to you. Don't we have better things to discuss? Up to all of us.
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Alljazz
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So Nock, we'll look for an add on "At Last" this week?
Yes, our business is off...but that has nothing to do with our decision to work Beyonce's "At Last" at Smooth Jazz radio. The bottom line - why SHOULDN'T we work a record by a superstar artist, on a major record label (Columbia), that we feel we can attain airplay on? Although the requested airplay date isn't for another two weeks, at least 10 Smooth Jazz stations including KTWV/Los Angeles have already started playing "At Last". Then there's the film Cadillac Records which opens in early December, in which Beyonce plays the legendary Etta James. It just doesn't get any more mass appeal than that. Check this out (watch it all the way through): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q5CHw-2uvQ.
Nock, if you choose not to play it, that's fine with us. But please don't call us out for being 'hungry'. And you can forget about trying to send Allen Kepler a message by skewing the online voting...the Beyonce train's a-rolling, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
Signed,
One of the largest independent Smooth Jazz Promotion companies
Yes, our business is off...but that has nothing to do with our decision to work Beyonce's "At Last" at Smooth Jazz radio. The bottom line - why SHOULDN'T we work a record by a superstar artist, on a major record label (Columbia), that we feel we can attain airplay on? Although the requested airplay date isn't for another two weeks, at least 10 Smooth Jazz stations including KTWV/Los Angeles have already started playing "At Last". Then there's the film Cadillac Records which opens in early December, in which Beyonce plays the legendary Etta James. It just doesn't get any more mass appeal than that. Check this out (watch it all the way through): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q5CHw-2uvQ.
Nock, if you choose not to play it, that's fine with us. But please don't call us out for being 'hungry'. And you can forget about trying to send Allen Kepler a message by skewing the online voting...the Beyonce train's a-rolling, and there's nothing you can do to stop it.
Signed,
One of the largest independent Smooth Jazz Promotion companies
Look elsewhere for the skewing of a Kepler survey. Would not waste my time. Apologize for the "hungry" statement, just sick of what Kepler and the boys have done to some great music. I know well known musicians in the format that are looking for other work and Beyonce is taking the spins from them.
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majaman78
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Alljazz said:
Who cares?
Most of the readers on this board certainly don't.
Hate to break this to you , but there are other avenues out there to hear the music we want (and it certainly isn't Beyonce).
So knock yourself out, I won't be listening. And the format's track record over the past few years' makes it look like I'm not the only one tuning out.
BTW I wasn't going to waste my time on a Kepler survey, either. But because of your condescending post, I decided to go and listen and vote.
I gave the tune a zero as well. And it certainly deserves it after I tried to struggle listening through it for the first (and last) time.
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Double D
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Alljazz said:
It's because of this very arrogance and very poor taste in music of his that I cannot listen to his product. Featuring train wrecks like Beyonce, John Legend, and their ilk have completely destroyed the format.
Thanks Alan Kepler for your savaging of the SJ format...your arrogance & condescention are beyond reproach!!
Nock said:
Nock started the thread, not the assault on Kepler's online survey. Not that BA would listen anyway. Like majaman said, who cares? They'll still run the track into the ground because it is a guaranteed money maker, but I for one will NOT be listening, and most contempory jazz purists won't either. Why even expend the resources to promote a sure thing? What's the point? Why not use those resources on promoting guys like Jeff Lorber and his new CD, who for one is a brilliant CONTEMPORARY JAZZ musician and a true pioneer for a genre that I loved as a teenager in the 80s and still love today.
Say what you want. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. But last I checked, this was the Smooth Jazz forum, and BA's brand of the genre sucks, and that's the bottom line. They will face certain death, and their migration to Smooth A/C or whatever you want to call it will not save them. I am curious to see the numbers on the former JSJ affiliates that flipped to BA. Not that JSJ was setting the world on fire, but I'd be shocked to see the numbers significantly higher in those markets with Kepler running the show, and venture to say they are lower. That was Nock's original point, and of those who agree with him. There is so much good new music out there, and the old stuff can still work with a sharp programming mind like Steve Hibbard. Jones pushed all the right buttons, and Kepler just doesn't get it. But in the end, I guess Oli Silk doesn't pay the bills, and you guys gotta do what you gotta do. Good luck with it, whatever "it" is. It's certainly not jazz, and it only serves to marginalize the talent of the hard working up-and-coming musicians out there who want this genre to survive as much as those who grew up with it and became a part of their lives.
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majaman78
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AC Tones said:
So you end up with a perfect storm of lower ratings. Why would smooth jazz radio even bother with this?
Contemporary jazz purists will turn off Beyonce...Beyonce fans will turn it off when hearing the first Kenny G tune (you might get everyone turning it off at this point..lol
...just an example). You just set yourself up for some craptacular ratings. How much common sense does it take to figure out this outcome? And I got some news for you guys, this is how you've ruined the smooth jazz format in a nutshell. It's actually not being thought through by these so-called "experts" who in reality know quite little except to be as greedy as possible regardless of the overall product when in the long run it doesn't help either format you're trying to pander to.
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