Uh-oh...is Air America gone from 910?

[BrainDeadPrez]

Turned it on tonight and got lots of accordions and lyrics I could not understand. Let me guess...KXEB didn't show up in the last Trends, and somebody got nervous after, what, two months on the air, and bailed out? Sure, there's always satellite radio, but it was actually kinda nice to know that some OTHER point of view was breaking up the monotony of AM talk stations.

Without pointing a finger at politics, anyone know what's up over there? (Aside from the fact that no one has promoted it, no billboards, no bumper stickers, no local sales effort, no NOTHING. Sheesh, does Dave Schum own THIS station, too???)

 

[bluescreen]

Re: Uh-oh...is Air America gone from 910? - Edited

> Turned it on tonight and got lots of accordions and lyrics I
> could not understand. Let me guess...KXEB didn't show up in
> the last Trends, and somebody got nervous after, what, two
> months on the air, and bailed out? Sure, there's always
> satellite radio, but it was actually kinda nice to know that
> some OTHER point of view was breaking up the monotony of AM
> talk stations.
>
> Without pointing a finger at politics, anyone know what's up
> over there? (Aside from the fact that no one has promoted
> it, no billboards, no bumper stickers, no local sales
> effort, no NOTHING. Sheesh, does Dave Schum own THIS
> station, too???)
>
Actually it's Border Media Partners - the little engine from the RGV that couldn't. They thought they could stick the station on and run it on auto-pilot and turn a profit without making any investment in the station whatsoever.

The clocks have been f*cked up from day one, they've mis-timed the local breaks and routinely go back to the satellite 10-30 seconds early, there's dead air all over the place and they've overmodulated the signal. I hate to say it but Clear Channel could've done a MUCH better job by keeping 1190 under their roof and sticking Air America there.

Addendum: I listened at lunchtime and it was back on and running Franken.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bluescreen on 06/08/05 08:25 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[_Jim]

> but it was actually kinda nice to know that some
> OTHER point of view was

Wasn't that what we had gotten for 40-some odd years?

Now we have a little 'change' in the landscape with something different
since the "Fairness Doctrine" was repealed, radio programs which
are *actually* in demand by the public and driven by the marketplace and
attacting ad revenue that pays wages instead of having to pay homage to a
bland 'salad' of on-air opinions that are driven by a need to simply satify
some arbitrary government edict (an edict that I think is a mild form
of CENSORSHIP BTW) assuring the arbitrary concept of 'fairness'?

Some people are never pleased I guess, give mankind freedom to make
choices and even that is contested; "the public has no taste". Well,
that may very well be, but that is the public's desire ...

(Off subject, but isn't Err America dead-last in every market they air?)

_Jim

 

[nocternal_freek]

Your bias is blinding.

 

[_Jim]

> Your bias is blinding.
>

Point out where I'm factually incorrect (as opposed to just saying
I MIGHT be showing some bias).

While you're at it, riddle me where Err America is NOT at
the bottom of the pile.

For extra credit, explain why this might be so, taking into
consideration such factors as 'demand' from the radio listening
public ...

(I know I KNOW I won't be getting an answer to any of these questions
but I feel bound to try. If Jerry Springer can turn about-face and
after hosting freaks on his TV show and lecture Amrica on 'morals'
I can be civil and ask a suspected 'librul' to explain just a few
things on a factual, concrete, non-emotional level.)

_Jim

 

[edwardrmurrow]

> Wasn't that what we had gotten for 40-some odd years?
>
> Now we have a little 'change' in the landscape with
> something different
> since the "Fairness Doctrine" was repealed, radio programs
> which
> are *actually* in demand by the public and driven by the
> marketplace and
> attacting ad revenue that pays wages instead of having to
> pay homage to a
> bland 'salad' of on-air opinions that are driven by a need
> to simply satify
> some arbitrary government edict (an edict that I think is a
> mild form
> of CENSORSHIP BTW) assuring the arbitrary concept of
> 'fairness'?
>
> Some people are never pleased I guess, give mankind freedom
> to make
> choices and even that is contested; "the public has no
> taste". Well,
> that may very well be, but that is the public's desire ...



I find stuff like that amusing coming from a narrow perspective. The allegations about the "fairness Doctrine"are just that "allegations" and embellished ones at that. "Fairness" was what it was all about, both sides heard (AND WERE) equally.
Why did it go away? $$$$ who owned the stations did not want the other side heard for starters or have them given an equal platform to express an opposing viewpoint. They had to seek out diversified views from citizens so that it would be Balanced. Too much work, darn. Do you think it is fair now and balanced? LOL! The host cuts them off, yells at them and the host has more time on the air than an opposing guest, or an opposing caller.The Fairness Doctrine prevented this, and the"Rushbo's"hated it. Yeah nothing like democracy.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by edwardrmurrow on 06/09/05 02:26 AM.</FONT></P>

 

[edwardrmurrow]

> > Your bias is blinding.
> >
>
> Point out where I'm factually incorrect (as opposed to just
> saying
> I MIGHT be showing some bias).
>
> While you're at it, riddle me where Err America is NOT at
> the bottom of the pile.
>
> For extra credit, explain why this might be so, taking into
> consideration such factors as 'demand' from the radio
> listening
> public ...
>
> (I know I KNOW I won't be getting an answer to any of these
> questions
> but I feel bound to try. If Jerry Springer can turn
> about-face and
> after hosting freaks on his TV show and lecture Amrica on
> 'morals'
> I can be civil and ask a suspected 'librul' to explain just
> a few
> things on a factual, concrete, non-emotional level.)
>
> _Jim
>
Considering who owns sstations with good frequencies,you need not ask. "Demand?" depends upon whom you ask. Corporate radio never listens to listeners anyway.


Weaker signals often have weaker ratings add then to a couple with a strong signal with the same program ,then compare to another program with several more powerful signal stations,well the winner is obvious.

 

[_Jim]

> Corporate radio never listens to listeners anyway.

'splain Disney, ABC, and their propensity for airing the
likes of Rush, Mark Davis, Hannity and that near-raving
'nutter' that is on after the 8 or 9 PM hour ...

Is Disney/ABC tone-deaf when it comes to seeing who has the
'draw' on their 50 KW Class 1-A ND in this market?

Do you remember a guy named Hightower - Jim Hightower - who
did some weekend radio on 'BAP? UNLISTENABLE radio that was
capable of putting cows to sleep and peeling paint?

Well, he had no 'appeal' according to the market; he was duly
replaced. 'Market forces' do work, contrary to the wishes, the
desires and the hopes (I would say) of some.

Regards, _Jim

 

[_Jim]

> I find stuff like that amusing coming from a narrow
> perspective.

That you will have to explain, especially in light of what I will
write below ...


> The allegations about the "fairness Doctrine"are just that
> "allegations" and embellished ones at that. "Fairness" was
> what it was all about, both sides heard (AND WERE) equally.

Oh YEAH, Both sides were about as bland as a head of iceburg
lettuce yielding nothing but mild pap ... that's why radio nearly
DIED until 'ol Rushbo saved it with some earsthile honesty and
no holds barred discussion.

Face it, Ed, you're JUST afraid of big, open FREE markets and would
rather live under the jackboots of some 'fair' government agency
that excercised, IMO, a mild form of CENSORSHIP.

I don't think the *real* Edward R. Murrow would enjoy being muzzled
by any 'fairness board' run under the auspices of the federal
government, it's sorry to see that this edwardrmorrow does.

Now who has the 'narrower' perspective:

- Me, who belives a littler more liberally in freedom of broadcasting,
allowing the market and listeners to decide what they 'tune into',

- or you, who obstensibly would like to see more 'controls' on it (a
non-free market environment) with some sort of 'authority' making
descisions over what is aired and what is not!

(I'll bet Stern would never have gotten air-play either if the
'FD' was still in effect too!)

Regards, _Jim

 

[Radio6]

So you are fine with Boobgate etc? You then are against the idiotic FCC 'crackdown' of the past year or so? Or is that *different* somehow than spewing hate across the radiowaves?

>
> Face it, Ed, you're JUST afraid of big, open FREE markets
> and would
> rather live under the jackboots of some 'fair' government
> agency
> that excercised, IMO, a mild form of CENSORSHIP.
>
> I don't think the *real* Edward R. Murrow would enjoy being
> muzzled
> by any 'fairness board' run under the auspices of the
> federal
> government, it's sorry to see that this edwardrmorrow does.
>
> Now who has the 'narrower' perspective:
>
> - Me, who belives a littler more liberally in freedom of
> broadcasting,
> allowing the market and listeners to decide what they 'tune
> into',
>
>

 

[Phantom]

Jim flips out ...

> > but it was actually kinda nice to know that some
> > OTHER point of view was
>
> Wasn't that what we had gotten for 40-some odd years?
>
> Now we have a little 'change' in the landscape with
> something different
> since the "Fairness Doctrine" was repealed, radio programs
> which
> are *actually* in demand by the public and driven by the
> marketplace and
> attacting ad revenue that pays wages instead of having to
> pay homage to a
> bland 'salad' of on-air opinions that are driven by a need
> to simply satify
> some arbitrary government edict (an edict that I think is a
> mild form
> of CENSORSHIP BTW) assuring the arbitrary concept of
> 'fairness'?


Jim, this must be the longest sentence I've seen in about a decade ... or longer.

Ever hear of run-on sentences? Where did you learn English?

Read some Hemingway.


> Some people are never pleased I guess, give mankind freedom
> to make
> choices and even that is contested; "the public has no
> taste". Well,
> that may very well be, but that is the public's desire ...
>
> (Off subject, but isn't Err America dead-last in every
> market they air?)
>
> _Jim


Do you get the feeling Jim might be a conservative ?

Or even falling off the right side of the Earth.

 

[bluescreen]

> (I know I KNOW I won't be getting an answer to any of these
> questions
> but I feel bound to try. If Jerry Springer can turn
> about-face and
> after hosting freaks on his TV show and lecture Amrica on
> 'morals'
> I can be civil and ask a suspected 'librul' to explain just
> a few
> things on a factual, concrete, non-emotional level.)
>
> _Jim
>
I'll agree with ya on Springer, Jim...he's a terrible host. Makes some good points but his on-air delivery sucks. BMP would be better off dumping him for someone like Ed Schultz or hell hire someone locally.

As for Air America, you're right...it's a mid-pack venture at best right now.
I think KKZN in Denver/Boulder may be their strongest affiliate. Hell their flagship in NYC only has like a 1.2 share.

The M.O. of every single one of their hosts is precisely what is wrong with the Democratic Party. Instead of coming up with solutions to the problems they take the easy road and deride everything the GOP does. I agree with them on a lot of the points they bring up but c'mon...solve something. If you're not helping with a solution you're part of the problem.

Given the current level of dissatisfaction with the executive and legislative branches the Dems have a golden opportunity sitting in their laps and I'm afraid they're gonna blow it.

 

[Phantom]

> > (I know I KNOW I won't be getting an answer to any of
> these
> > questions
> > but I feel bound to try. If Jerry Springer can turn
> > about-face and
> > after hosting freaks on his TV show and lecture Amrica on
> > 'morals'
> > I can be civil and ask a suspected 'librul' to explain
> just
> > a few
> > things on a factual, concrete, non-emotional level.)
> >
> > _Jim
> >
> I'll agree with ya on Springer, Jim...he's a terrible host.
> Makes some good points but his on-air delivery sucks. BMP
> would be better off dumping him for someone like Ed Schultz
> or hell hire someone locally.
>
> As for Air America, you're right...it's a mid-pack venture
> at best right now.
> I think KKZN in Denver/Boulder may be their strongest
> affiliate. Hell their flagship in NYC only has like a 1.2
> share.
>
> The M.O. of every single one of their hosts is precisely
> what is wrong with the Democratic Party. Instead of coming
> up with solutions to the problems they take the easy road
> and deride everything the GOP does. I agree with them on a
> lot of the points they bring up but c'mon...solve something.
> If you're not helping with a solution you're part of the
> problem.


Takes one to know one I guess.

Rush is still obsessed with Clinton. Someone tell him he left office years ago.

Republicans once called FDR's Social Security Socialism.

Now they act like they invented it.

Same with Medicare and Medicaid and Head Start and every progressive program ever developed by ... Democrats.

And when the time comes, they will block national health care.

 

[edwardrmurrow]

> equally.
>
> Oh YEAH, Both sides were about as bland as a head of iceburg
>
> lettuce yielding nothing but mild pap ... that's why radio
> nearly
> DIED until 'ol Rushbo saved it with some earsthile honesty
> and
> no holds barred discussion.



Oh please!!! Rushie had and maintains a "schtick" copied, cloned by others. He controls the information, and one side and one side only is dominant. Why are you afariad of both sides being heard evenly and fairly. I don't adsvocate censoring or shutting up Rush and his bunch,but you apparently feel those opposing him should not be heard on the same field.
>
> Face it, Ed, you're JUST afraid of big, open FREE markets
> and would
> rather live under the jackboots of some 'fair' government
> agency
> that excercised, IMO, a mild form of CENSORSHIP.


Nope that's is incorrect. See above answer.
>
> I don't think the *real* Edward R. Murrow would enjoy being
> muzzled
> by any 'fairness board' run under the auspices of the
> federal
> government, it's sorry to see that this edwardrmorrow does.

This ERM feels like the original ERM ( read his autobiography whenever you get a chance). Both sides should be heard and disagreements with one another should be tolerated. After all he did take on Joe McCarthy who threatened physically, verbally and ruined many with his lies whoever dared to disagree with him.
>
>> (I'll bet Stern would never have gotten air-play either if
> the
> 'FD' was still in effect too!)

Oh he would because he is far from being blantantly political plus more of an entertainer than rush, hannity, etc. I am not a fan of Howard by the way.
>
> Regards, _Jim
>

 

[edwardrmurrow]

> > Corporate radio never listens to listeners anyway.
>
> 'splain Disney, ABC, and their propensity for airing the
> likes of Rush, Mark Davis, Hannity and that near-raving
> 'nutter' that is on after the 8 or 9 PM hour ...
>
> Is Disney/ABC tone-deaf when it comes to seeing who has the
> 'draw' on their 50 KW Class 1-A ND in this market?
>
> Do you remember a guy named Hightower - Jim Hightower - who
> did some weekend radio on 'BAP? UNLISTENABLE radio that was
>
> capable of putting cows to sleep and peeling paint?
>
> Well, he had no 'appeal' according to the market; he was
> duly
> replaced. 'Market forces' do work, contrary to the wishes,
> the
> desires and the hopes (I would say) of some.
>
> Regards, _Jim


Jim: Hightower left due to management changes plus disagreements in pay,etc.Jim was syndicated too soon and was better in his own market of Austin like Mark Davis is DFW.
Disney/ABC know how to market. plus Rush started well before WBAP ever picked him up,. Rush used to be entertaining ,but fame overcame him and he peaked.He used to win every market.
You are very passionate and overbearing in your conservative outlook. So be it, but it is better to look at the whole picture than a corner of the frame, otherwise you miss the view.

 

[frbob]

> > I'll agree with ya on Springer, Jim...he's a terrible
> host.
> > Makes some good points but his on-air delivery sucks. BMP
>
> > would be better off dumping him for someone like Ed
> Schultz
> > or hell hire someone locally.
> >
> > As for Air America, you're right...it's a mid-pack venture
>
> > at best right now.
> > I think KKZN in Denver/Boulder may be their strongest
> > affiliate. Hell their flagship in NYC only has like a 1.2
>
> > share.
> >
> > The M.O. of every single one of their hosts is precisely
> > what is wrong with the Democratic Party. Instead of
> coming
> > up with solutions to the problems they take the easy road
> > and deride everything the GOP does. I agree with them on
> a
> > lot of the points they bring up but c'mon...solve
> something.
> > If you're not helping with a solution you're part of the
> > problem.
>
>
> Takes one to know one I guess.
>
> Rush is still obsessed with Clinton. Someone tell him he
> left office years ago.
>
> Republicans once called FDR's Social Security Socialism.
>
> Now they act like they invented it.
>
> Same with Medicare and Medicaid and Head Start and every
> progressive program ever developed by ... Democrats.
>
> And when the time comes, they will block national health
> care.
>


I've never heard the Republican say they invented any of those programs. I have seen them try and FIX them. Democrat or Republican, folks, Social Security needs fixing. The Republicans are the only ones to try. The Democrats just live in the past.

And God Help us if we get a National Health Care system like Great Britian. I hopw they do block it.

 

[frbob]

> > I'll agree with ya on Springer, Jim...he's a terrible
> host.
> > Makes some good points but his on-air delivery sucks. BMP
>
> > would be better off dumping him for someone like Ed
> Schultz
> > or hell hire someone locally.
> >
> > As for Air America, you're right...it's a mid-pack venture
>
> > at best right now.
> > I think KKZN in Denver/Boulder may be their strongest
> > affiliate. Hell their flagship in NYC only has like a 1.2
>
> > share.
> >
> > The M.O. of every single one of their hosts is precisely
> > what is wrong with the Democratic Party. Instead of
> coming
> > up with solutions to the problems they take the easy road
> > and deride everything the GOP does. I agree with them on
> a
> > lot of the points they bring up but c'mon...solve
> something.
> > If you're not helping with a solution you're part of the
> > problem.
>
>
> Takes one to know one I guess.
>
> Rush is still obsessed with Clinton. Someone tell him he
> left office years ago.
>
> Republicans once called FDR's Social Security Socialism.
>
> Now they act like they invented it.
>
> Same with Medicare and Medicaid and Head Start and every
> progressive program ever developed by ... Democrats.
>
> And when the time comes, they will block national health
> care.
>


I've never heard the Republican say they invented any of those programs. I have seen them try and FIX them. Democrat or Republican, folks, Social Security needs fixing. The Republicans are the only ones to try. The Democrats just live in the past.

And God Help us if we get a National Health Care system like Great Britian. I hope they do block it.

 

[Phantom]

> > equally.
> >
> > Oh YEAH, Both sides were about as bland as a head of
> iceburg
> >
> > lettuce yielding nothing but mild pap ... that's why radio
>
> > nearly
> > DIED until 'ol Rushbo saved it with some earsthile honesty
>
> > and
> > no holds barred discussion.
>
>
>
> Oh please!!! Rushie had and maintains a "schtick" copied,
> cloned by others. He controls the information, and one side
> and one side only is dominant. Why are you afariad of both
> sides being heard evenly and fairly. I don't adsvocate
> censoring or shutting up Rush and his bunch,but you
> apparently feel those opposing him should not be heard on
> the same field.


I agree with Ed.

Rush long along quit even pretending to be a conservative.

Today, he freely admits he is a Republican whatever the hell that means today.

Well, actually it means a bloated budget, more .. not less intrusive into people's private lives and the ethically challenged, former bug exterminator, Tom DeLay. And that's conservative?

Yeah, and Bill Clinton is a virgin.



> Face it, Ed, you're JUST afraid of big, open FREE markets
> > and would
> > rather live under the jackboots of some 'fair' government
> > agency
> > that excercised, IMO, a mild form of CENSORSHIP.
>
>
> Nope that's is incorrect. See above answer.
> >
> > I don't think the *real* Edward R. Murrow would enjoy
> being
> > muzzled
> > by any 'fairness board' run under the auspices of the
> > federal
> > government, it's sorry to see that this edwardrmorrow
> does.
>
> This ERM feels like the original ERM ( read his
> autobiography whenever you get a chance). Both sides should
> be heard and disagreements with one another should be
> tolerated. After all he did take on Joe McCarthy who
> threatened physically, verbally and ruined many with his
> lies whoever dared to disagree with him.
> >
> >> (I'll bet Stern would never have gotten air-play either
> if
> > the
> > 'FD' was still in effect too!)
>
> Oh he would because he is far from being blantantly
> political plus more of an entertainer than rush, hannity,
> etc. I am not a fan of Howard by the way.
> >
> > Regards, _Jim
> >
>

 

[Phantom]

> > > I'll agree with ya on Springer, Jim...he's a terrible
> > host.
> > > Makes some good points but his on-air delivery sucks.
> BMP
> >
> > > would be better off dumping him for someone like Ed
> > Schultz
> > > or hell hire someone locally.
> > >
> > > As for Air America, you're right...it's a mid-pack
> venture
> >
> > > at best right now.
> > > I think KKZN in Denver/Boulder may be their strongest
> > > affiliate. Hell their flagship in NYC only has like a
> 1.2
> >
> > > share.
> > >
> > > The M.O. of every single one of their hosts is precisely
>
> > > what is wrong with the Democratic Party. Instead of
> > coming
> > > up with solutions to the problems they take the easy
> road
> > > and deride everything the GOP does. I agree with them
> on
> > a
> > > lot of the points they bring up but c'mon...solve
> > something.
> > > If you're not helping with a solution you're part of
> the
> > > problem.
> >
> >
> > Takes one to know one I guess.
> >
> > Rush is still obsessed with Clinton. Someone tell him he
> > left office years ago.
> >
> > Republicans once called FDR's Social Security Socialism.
> >
> > Now they act like they invented it.
> >
> > Same with Medicare and Medicaid and Head Start and every
> > progressive program ever developed by ... Democrats.
> >
> > And when the time comes, they will block national health
> > care.
> >
>
>
> I've never heard the Republican say they invented any of
> those programs. I have seen them try and FIX them. Democrat
> or Republican, folks, Social Security needs fixing. The
> Republicans are the only ones to try.


They ACT like they invented it.

You don't hear them criticize SS do you?

Philosophically, why did they oppose them in the first place -- SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Head Start, the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and on and on?

Because philosophically, conservatives are against progress by the very definition of the word. They are for the status quo.

That is what conservative means.

How would they fix SS?

"Social Security benefits are adjusted yearly for increases in the cost of living -- a feature not present in many private plans."

-- from the Social Security Administration website explaining the advantages of of Social Security benefits over individual retirement accounts, which President Bush has pushed so unsuccessfully.


> And God Help us if we get a National Health Care system like
> Great Britian. I hope they do block it.


Show me where I ever mentioned Great Britain's system.

But you could not be bothered because you have health care coverage, right?

Simply put, something is wrong with America when we cannot provide health care for children whose parents cannot afford it -- even those that work at places like Wal-Mart. Imagine someone making minimum wage affording a $250 premium per month.

 

[Phantom]

> > > I'll agree with ya on Springer, Jim...he's a terrible
> > host.
> > > Makes some good points but his on-air delivery sucks.
> BMP
> >
> > > would be better off dumping him for someone like Ed
> > Schultz
> > > or hell hire someone locally.
> > >
> > > As for Air America, you're right...it's a mid-pack
> venture
> >
> > > at best right now.
> > > I think KKZN in Denver/Boulder may be their strongest
> > > affiliate. Hell their flagship in NYC only has like a
> 1.2
> >
> > > share.
> > >
> > > The M.O. of every single one of their hosts is precisely
>
> > > what is wrong with the Democratic Party. Instead of
> > coming
> > > up with solutions to the problems they take the easy
> road
> > > and deride everything the GOP does. I agree with them
> on
> > a
> > > lot of the points they bring up but c'mon...solve
> > something.
> > > If you're not helping with a solution you're part of
> the
> > > problem.
> >
> >
> > Takes one to know one I guess.
> >
> > Rush is still obsessed with Clinton. Someone tell him he
> > left office years ago.
> >
> > Republicans once called FDR's Social Security Socialism.
> >
> > Now they act like they invented it.
> >
> > Same with Medicare and Medicaid and Head Start and every
> > progressive program ever developed by ... Democrats.
> >
> > And when the time comes, they will block national health
> > care.
> >
>
>
> I've never heard the Republican say they invented any of
> those programs. I have seen them try and FIX them. Democrat
> or Republican, folks, Social Security needs fixing. The
> Republicans are the only ones to try. The Democrats just
> live in the past.
>
> And God Help us if we get a National Health Care system like
> Great Britian. I hopw they do block it.


I think you are repeating yourself again. Read your post above.