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bigwoody
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Has anyone tried the UREI 1176LN or LA-2A plug ins from UA? Also Pultec EQ's and more. Not sure of the platform, VST or TDM.
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> Has anyone tried the UREI 1176LN or LA-2A plug ins from UA?
> Also Pultec EQ's and more. Not sure of the platform, VST or
> TDM.
I have the 1176 plug that is free for Pro Tools LE users (RTAS). It kinda sounds like a real 1176 (I have a real 1178, which is the stereo version of the 1176); it's very agressive, distorts like a real one and yes, you can push all the ratio buttons in at once.
> Also Pultec EQ's and more. Not sure of the platform, VST or
> TDM.
I have the 1176 plug that is free for Pro Tools LE users (RTAS). It kinda sounds like a real 1176 (I have a real 1178, which is the stereo version of the 1176); it's very agressive, distorts like a real one and yes, you can push all the ratio buttons in at once.
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bigwoody
Guest
> > Has anyone tried the UREI 1176LN or LA-2A plug ins from
> UA?
> > Also Pultec EQ's and more. Not sure of the platform, VST
> or
> > TDM.
>
> I have the 1176 plug that is free for Pro Tools LE users
> (RTAS). It kinda sounds like a real 1176 (I have a real
> 1178, which is the stereo version of the 1176); it's very
> agressive, distorts like a real one and yes, you can push
> all the ratio buttons in at once.
>
I've got an actual 1176LN blackface. I love it and will never sell it. I was just curious about the plug version. Are all the UA plugs RTAS? Or are VST available? UA should make them compatible for Adobe users. More of us than PT users. Also, doesn't the UA require it's own power source...or card. Something like that?
> UA?
> > Also Pultec EQ's and more. Not sure of the platform, VST
> or
> > TDM.
>
> I have the 1176 plug that is free for Pro Tools LE users
> (RTAS). It kinda sounds like a real 1176 (I have a real
> 1178, which is the stereo version of the 1176); it's very
> agressive, distorts like a real one and yes, you can push
> all the ratio buttons in at once.
>
I've got an actual 1176LN blackface. I love it and will never sell it. I was just curious about the plug version. Are all the UA plugs RTAS? Or are VST available? UA should make them compatible for Adobe users. More of us than PT users. Also, doesn't the UA require it's own power source...or card. Something like that?
> Are all the UA plugs RTAS? Or are VST available? UA should
> make them compatible for Adobe users. More of us than PT
> users.
Sorry, there are way more PT users! But, yeah, they support a wide range of plugin formats, but not Audition - HERE is the compatibility page.
>Also, doesn't the UA require it's own power
> source...or card. Something like that?
It's a card...click HERE for their FAQ page.
> make them compatible for Adobe users. More of us than PT
> users.
Sorry, there are way more PT users! But, yeah, they support a wide range of plugin formats, but not Audition - HERE is the compatibility page.
>Also, doesn't the UA require it's own power
> source...or card. Something like that?
It's a card...click HERE for their FAQ page.
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evanchads
Guest
Thank you for clarifing the more PT users than Audition users. You beat me too it!
Try PT you will NEVER go back to anything else!
Even though I am not happy with the customer service lately. T-Racks from IK Multimedia is by far my favorite plug in. Filter Freak from Sound Toys is also very good.
Try PT you will NEVER go back to anything else!
Even though I am not happy with the customer service lately. T-Racks from IK Multimedia is by far my favorite plug in. Filter Freak from Sound Toys is also very good.
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bigwoody
Guest
> Thank you for clarifing the more PT users than Audition
> users. You beat me too it!
>
> Try PT you will NEVER go back to anything else!
>
> Even though I am not happy with the customer service lately.
> T-Racks from IK Multimedia is by far my favorite plug in.
> Filter Freak from Sound Toys is also very good.
>
I should've said there are more AA users in RADIO than PT users. Mostly due to cost of PT. Not counting those who purchase on their own.
> users. You beat me too it!
>
> Try PT you will NEVER go back to anything else!
>
> Even though I am not happy with the customer service lately.
> T-Racks from IK Multimedia is by far my favorite plug in.
> Filter Freak from Sound Toys is also very good.
>
I should've said there are more AA users in RADIO than PT users. Mostly due to cost of PT. Not counting those who purchase on their own.
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evanchads
Guest
Oh, were just having a little fun with you. 
Have a great holiday!
> > Thank you for clarifing the more PT users than Audition
> > users. You beat me too it!
> >
> > Try PT you will NEVER go back to anything else!
> >
> > Even though I am not happy with the customer service
> lately.
> > T-Racks from IK Multimedia is by far my favorite plug in.
>
> > Filter Freak from Sound Toys is also very good.
> >
>
>
> I should've said there are more AA users in RADIO than PT
> users. Mostly due to cost of PT. Not counting those who
> purchase on their own.
>
Have a great holiday!
> > Thank you for clarifing the more PT users than Audition
> > users. You beat me too it!
> >
> > Try PT you will NEVER go back to anything else!
> >
> > Even though I am not happy with the customer service
> lately.
> > T-Racks from IK Multimedia is by far my favorite plug in.
>
> > Filter Freak from Sound Toys is also very good.
> >
>
>
> I should've said there are more AA users in RADIO than PT
> users. Mostly due to cost of PT. Not counting those who
> purchase on their own.
>
> Try PT you will NEVER go back to anything else!
I have extensive experience with ProTools. I have an older TDM system and a brand new LE (digi002) at my disposal. The TDM system hasn't been turned on in months and I RARELY use the LE...Sometimes I'lll go for the time-stretcher in PT and I like the Antares AVP plug-in that we have in the old TDM. Aside from that, I find PT to be clunky and counter-intuitive. The 24-bit integer format is out-dated and incredibly inferior to the 32-bit floating point used by most new software. Why pay more money for inferior sound quality?
I'll take Adobe Audition over ProTools any day!
I've tried ProTools and I will NEVER go back to it!
I have extensive experience with ProTools. I have an older TDM system and a brand new LE (digi002) at my disposal. The TDM system hasn't been turned on in months and I RARELY use the LE...Sometimes I'lll go for the time-stretcher in PT and I like the Antares AVP plug-in that we have in the old TDM. Aside from that, I find PT to be clunky and counter-intuitive. The 24-bit integer format is out-dated and incredibly inferior to the 32-bit floating point used by most new software. Why pay more money for inferior sound quality?
I'll take Adobe Audition over ProTools any day!
I've tried ProTools and I will NEVER go back to it!
> I find PT to be clunky and counter-intuitive.
It's a good thing they don't ask you to write copy.
Audition is a TOY; PT is a serious, fast editor/mixer with real time
effects. I can practically edit in my sleep, and I hardly ever have to
even touch the mouse.
> The 24-bit integer format is out-dated and incredibly
> inferior to the 32-bit floating point used by
> most new software.
The TDM format is 48 bits and has been for several years, and PT LE is
32 bit floating point, which negates your next point:
> Why pay more money for inferior sound quality?
For $400, I got an Mbox with PT LE included. It's got better than
average mic pres and converters. The average Audition/Cool Edit user
pays $275 just for the software, then needs to upgrade the sound card
and buy a mixer. If they want comparable pre amps, toss in a few hundred
more. Why pay more money for an inferior set-up?
It's a good thing they don't ask you to write copy.
Audition is a TOY; PT is a serious, fast editor/mixer with real time
effects. I can practically edit in my sleep, and I hardly ever have to
even touch the mouse.
> The 24-bit integer format is out-dated and incredibly
> inferior to the 32-bit floating point used by
> most new software.
The TDM format is 48 bits and has been for several years, and PT LE is
32 bit floating point, which negates your next point:
> Why pay more money for inferior sound quality?
For $400, I got an Mbox with PT LE included. It's got better than
average mic pres and converters. The average Audition/Cool Edit user
pays $275 just for the software, then needs to upgrade the sound card
and buy a mixer. If they want comparable pre amps, toss in a few hundred
more. Why pay more money for an inferior set-up?
> Audition is a TOY; PT is a serious, fast editor/mixer with
> real time
> effects. I can practically edit in my sleep, and I hardly
> ever have to
> even touch the mouse.
So sad to see another lemming following Digidesign's marketing. ProTools is a lousy editor...Fairly powerful mixer/multitracker, but not a good editor at all. Audition offers real-time effects, latency compensation, and fully assignable keyboard shortcuts. I can also do most of my work without ever touching the mouse.
> The TDM format is 48 bits and has been for several years,
> and PT LE is
> 32 bit floating point, which negates your next point:
Didn't know TDM was up to 48 bit fixed point. That's an improvement over 24, but won't really make much diffence until 48 bit hardware is available. And AFAIK, LE does not write to 32 bit floating point files. It may premix in 32 float, but bounces will be 24 bit files, with either dither or quantization noise.
> For $400, I got an Mbox with PT LE included. It's got
> better than
> average mic pres and converters. The average Audition/Cool
> Edit user
> pays $275 just for the software, then needs to upgrade the
> sound card
> and buy a mixer. If they want comparable pre amps, toss in
> a few hundred
> more. Why pay more money for an inferior set-up?
The Mbox is another product of Digidesign's marketing department. The pres are not "better that average", they are average at best. Just because they have the Focusrite name, doesn't mean they are high-quality pres. I'd take a standard Mackie pre over an Mbox pre any day. The converters are also no better than average.
Bottom line is that ProTools LE has nothing to offer...Or nothing more than any other software. Audition and Wavelab both completely blow the doors off ProTools LE, in many respects. For editing, Audition or Soundforge (and many other programs) put ProTools to shame. Once upon a time, ProTools was the only way...So for some, it's a familiar feel that keeps them coming back. Others buy ProTools LE for the name, thinking their Mbox and LE will somehow compare to a core TDM system. And the hardware-based DSP is what keeps larger studios buying.
If you want to argue TDM versus Audition's CPU processing, I'm out. External DSP offers advantages that no PC can match, but you'll pay dearly for it.
If you use ProTools because you like it and you're comfortable with the interface, more power to you.
But if you use ProTools because it's the "standard" and it's "pro", then take your ignorance and go home.
> real time
> effects. I can practically edit in my sleep, and I hardly
> ever have to
> even touch the mouse.
So sad to see another lemming following Digidesign's marketing. ProTools is a lousy editor...Fairly powerful mixer/multitracker, but not a good editor at all. Audition offers real-time effects, latency compensation, and fully assignable keyboard shortcuts. I can also do most of my work without ever touching the mouse.
> The TDM format is 48 bits and has been for several years,
> and PT LE is
> 32 bit floating point, which negates your next point:
Didn't know TDM was up to 48 bit fixed point. That's an improvement over 24, but won't really make much diffence until 48 bit hardware is available. And AFAIK, LE does not write to 32 bit floating point files. It may premix in 32 float, but bounces will be 24 bit files, with either dither or quantization noise.
> For $400, I got an Mbox with PT LE included. It's got
> better than
> average mic pres and converters. The average Audition/Cool
> Edit user
> pays $275 just for the software, then needs to upgrade the
> sound card
> and buy a mixer. If they want comparable pre amps, toss in
> a few hundred
> more. Why pay more money for an inferior set-up?
The Mbox is another product of Digidesign's marketing department. The pres are not "better that average", they are average at best. Just because they have the Focusrite name, doesn't mean they are high-quality pres. I'd take a standard Mackie pre over an Mbox pre any day. The converters are also no better than average.
Bottom line is that ProTools LE has nothing to offer...Or nothing more than any other software. Audition and Wavelab both completely blow the doors off ProTools LE, in many respects. For editing, Audition or Soundforge (and many other programs) put ProTools to shame. Once upon a time, ProTools was the only way...So for some, it's a familiar feel that keeps them coming back. Others buy ProTools LE for the name, thinking their Mbox and LE will somehow compare to a core TDM system. And the hardware-based DSP is what keeps larger studios buying.
If you want to argue TDM versus Audition's CPU processing, I'm out. External DSP offers advantages that no PC can match, but you'll pay dearly for it.
If you use ProTools because you like it and you're comfortable with the interface, more power to you.
But if you use ProTools because it's the "standard" and it's "pro", then take your ignorance and go home.
> So sad to see another lemming following Digidesign's
> marketing. ProTools is a lousy editor...Fairly powerful
> mixer/multitracker, but not a good editor at all. Audition
> offers real-time effects, latency compensation, and fully
> assignable keyboard shortcuts.
And Pro Tools doesn't. And TDM is still 32 bit floating point. And the moon is made of green cheese.
I used CoolEdit before I ever even saw Pro Tools, so I know what the differences are - and they're HUGE. AUDITION IS A <u>TOY</u><u>TOY</u></u>. Go download some freeware editor if all you want is to play with a <u>TOY</u>.
> For $400, I got an Mbox with PT LE included. It's got
> better than
> average mic pres and converters. The average Audition/Cool
> Edit user
> pays $275 just for the software, then needs to upgrade the
> sound card
> and buy a mixer. If they want comparable pre amps, toss in
> a few hundred
> more. Why pay more money for an inferior set-up?
> The Mbox is another product of Digidesign's marketing department.
> The pres are not "better that average", they are average at best.
> Just because they have the Focusrite name, doesn't mean they are
> high-quality pres. I'd take a standard Mackie pre over an Mbox
> pre any day. The converters are also no better than average.
You've obviously never worked with the Mbox. The pres aren't Focusrite's bset product ever, but they beat the hell out of the pres in any broadcast console and make your beloved Mackie sound like you're recording breaking glass.
I do voiceover work and I take it seriously; if I were the typical DJ VO wannabee with an RE-20, a Symetrix 528 and a Mackie mixer running into a cheapo soundcard, I probably wouldn't do as well as I do. My decision to get the Mbox was made after a lot of thought and listening and asking questions; if toys and cheapo gear and WINDOWS! are good enough for you - good! Smoke one for me.
> marketing. ProTools is a lousy editor...Fairly powerful
> mixer/multitracker, but not a good editor at all. Audition
> offers real-time effects, latency compensation, and fully
> assignable keyboard shortcuts.
And Pro Tools doesn't. And TDM is still 32 bit floating point. And the moon is made of green cheese.
I used CoolEdit before I ever even saw Pro Tools, so I know what the differences are - and they're HUGE. AUDITION IS A <u>TOY</u><u>TOY</u></u>. Go download some freeware editor if all you want is to play with a <u>TOY</u>.
> For $400, I got an Mbox with PT LE included. It's got
> better than
> average mic pres and converters. The average Audition/Cool
> Edit user
> pays $275 just for the software, then needs to upgrade the
> sound card
> and buy a mixer. If they want comparable pre amps, toss in
> a few hundred
> more. Why pay more money for an inferior set-up?
> The Mbox is another product of Digidesign's marketing department.
> The pres are not "better that average", they are average at best.
> Just because they have the Focusrite name, doesn't mean they are
> high-quality pres. I'd take a standard Mackie pre over an Mbox
> pre any day. The converters are also no better than average.
You've obviously never worked with the Mbox. The pres aren't Focusrite's bset product ever, but they beat the hell out of the pres in any broadcast console and make your beloved Mackie sound like you're recording breaking glass.
I do voiceover work and I take it seriously; if I were the typical DJ VO wannabee with an RE-20, a Symetrix 528 and a Mackie mixer running into a cheapo soundcard, I probably wouldn't do as well as I do. My decision to get the Mbox was made after a lot of thought and listening and asking questions; if toys and cheapo gear and WINDOWS! are good enough for you - good! Smoke one for me.
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bigwoody
Guest
I'll say this...Eric Chase (Chase Cuts) who is, IMHO, hands down the most creative and best producer (imaging) in the country, he sure makes Pro Tools "sing". Wow!
BUT, I'll add this. Ann Dewig, one of the top female VO's out there, and one hell of a producer herself (KEGL, DC101, KBPI, Z100, etc). She uses Adobe and Vegas. She records and does all effects in Adobe (using Vegas and Waves plugs) and then mixes in Vegas. Not many people can produce like she can. She's in the Eric Chase realm herself.
Two extraordinary talents using Pro Tools and Adobe Audition.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bigwoody on 12/22/05 02:42 PM.</FONT></P>
BUT, I'll add this. Ann Dewig, one of the top female VO's out there, and one hell of a producer herself (KEGL, DC101, KBPI, Z100, etc). She uses Adobe and Vegas. She records and does all effects in Adobe (using Vegas and Waves plugs) and then mixes in Vegas. Not many people can produce like she can. She's in the Eric Chase realm herself.
Two extraordinary talents using Pro Tools and Adobe Audition.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bigwoody on 12/22/05 02:42 PM.</FONT></P>
> I do voiceover work and I take it seriously; if I were the
> typical DJ VO wannabee with an RE-20, a Symetrix 528 and a
> Mackie mixer running into a cheapo soundcard, I probably
> wouldn't do as well as I do. My decision to get the Mbox was
> made after a lot of thought and listening and asking
> questions; if toys and cheapo gear and WINDOWS! are good
> enough for you - good! Smoke one for me.
>
Yes, cheapo gear. I use a REAL Focusrite pre, not some garbage OEM stuck in a plastic box...Neumann TLM103...Yep, cheapo equipment all around here. I guess I don't know what I'm doing. Why don't you teach me something? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
> typical DJ VO wannabee with an RE-20, a Symetrix 528 and a
> Mackie mixer running into a cheapo soundcard, I probably
> wouldn't do as well as I do. My decision to get the Mbox was
> made after a lot of thought and listening and asking
> questions; if toys and cheapo gear and WINDOWS! are good
> enough for you - good! Smoke one for me.
>
Yes, cheapo gear. I use a REAL Focusrite pre, not some garbage OEM stuck in a plastic box...Neumann TLM103...Yep, cheapo equipment all around here. I guess I don't know what I'm doing. Why don't you teach me something? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
> I'll say this...Eric Chase (Chase Cuts) who is, IMHO, hands
> down the most creative and best producer (imaging) in the
> country, he sure makes Pro Tools "sing". Wow!
>
> BUT, I'll add this. Ann Dewig, one of the top female VO's
> out there, and one hell of a producer herself (KEGL, DC101,
> KBPI, Z100, etc). She uses Adobe and Vegas. She records and
> does all effects in Adobe (using Vegas and Waves plugs) and
> then mixes in Vegas. Not many people can produce like she
> can. She's in the Eric Chase realm herself.
>
> Two extraordinary talents using Pro Tools and Adobe
> Audition.
>
Exactly my point. It's more about the producer than the program. Eric uses ProTools, but embraces Audition and will even e-mail Chase Cuts subscribers tips on getting Audition to do cool things. A couple of years ago he sent out one of my tuorials to subscribers. At the time, I didn't know who Eric Chase was or what the hell Chase Cuts was. I'm a little ashamed of that now...Oops. Anyway, Steve Stone and Jeff Berlin both use ProTools as well, and I have nothing but respect for them and their work. Most of the bigger producers out there use ProTools because ProTools and SAW were the only options at the time these guys learned their trade. Once you know a program really well, it's hard to give it up. Hell, I still know very talented people using SAWPlus. We all know SAWPlus is outdated and not a very good program, by today's standards, but they seem to do pretty well.
The biggest drawbacks of Audition right now are lack of ASIO support and lack of fader automation. There's no shortage of high-end cards with WDM drivers and, since I don't use a control surface, I could care less about fader automation...But these are the two biggest complaints from users and I expect they will be corrected in version 2.
> down the most creative and best producer (imaging) in the
> country, he sure makes Pro Tools "sing". Wow!
>
> BUT, I'll add this. Ann Dewig, one of the top female VO's
> out there, and one hell of a producer herself (KEGL, DC101,
> KBPI, Z100, etc). She uses Adobe and Vegas. She records and
> does all effects in Adobe (using Vegas and Waves plugs) and
> then mixes in Vegas. Not many people can produce like she
> can. She's in the Eric Chase realm herself.
>
> Two extraordinary talents using Pro Tools and Adobe
> Audition.
>
Exactly my point. It's more about the producer than the program. Eric uses ProTools, but embraces Audition and will even e-mail Chase Cuts subscribers tips on getting Audition to do cool things. A couple of years ago he sent out one of my tuorials to subscribers. At the time, I didn't know who Eric Chase was or what the hell Chase Cuts was. I'm a little ashamed of that now...Oops. Anyway, Steve Stone and Jeff Berlin both use ProTools as well, and I have nothing but respect for them and their work. Most of the bigger producers out there use ProTools because ProTools and SAW were the only options at the time these guys learned their trade. Once you know a program really well, it's hard to give it up. Hell, I still know very talented people using SAWPlus. We all know SAWPlus is outdated and not a very good program, by today's standards, but they seem to do pretty well.
The biggest drawbacks of Audition right now are lack of ASIO support and lack of fader automation. There's no shortage of high-end cards with WDM drivers and, since I don't use a control surface, I could care less about fader automation...But these are the two biggest complaints from users and I expect they will be corrected in version 2.
> Yes, cheapo gear. I use a REAL Focusrite pre, not some
> garbage OEM stuck in a plastic box...Neumann TLM103...Yep,
> cheapo equipment all around here. I guess I don't know what
> I'm doing. Why don't you teach me something?
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
When you move up from a low end Neumann, post back.
> garbage OEM stuck in a plastic box...Neumann TLM103...Yep,
> cheapo equipment all around here. I guess I don't know what
> I'm doing. Why don't you teach me something?
> HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
When you move up from a low end Neumann, post back.
Jeezamama Tanner_Boyle what's the beef? What's your mic closet have? Enlighten us. We all must be doing something wrong. Some of us can not, or choose not to spend more than we have to in order to impress others. I really would like to know your setup so we can compare intelligently. A lot of people LIKE Audition because it does what it needs to do for them. Some of us prefer some version of Pro Tools (I use PT24) and do so only to produce compatable files for use outside our own studios..not because it sounds so good to say p-r-o...t-o-o-l-s...And others of us want to learn as many platforms as we can because we run into different people with different preferences.
Why so spooled up about all this anyway? Relax!
By the way..wait until you see version 2.0.1 of Audition..NO toy there!
Why so spooled up about all this anyway? Relax!
By the way..wait until you see version 2.0.1 of Audition..NO toy there!
> When you move up from a low end Neumann, post back.
>
Glad too see we're all in the Christmas spirit.
The gear that's used is a personal choice, the type of gear you use is not as important as knowing how to use what you have. So many guys claim to have all this expensive gear but when you hear the demo's they don't sound any better than someone who may not have the funds available to buy the real expensive stuff. Learning your craft is more important than buying top end gear. Having the top of the line gear will make your life easier but it doesn't mean you sound better. And no, I'm not one of the guys with the RE-20 and the Symetrix 528E you we're talking about. I have a pretty good setup but it's taken years of growing my business to get there. We all started somewhere, and I guarantee you it wasn't with top of the line gear right out of the box. Oh yeah, just out of curiousity, I'm with Jeff. What's your mic chain?<P ID="signature">______________
Russ McLamb
Chris-Mar Studios</P>
>
Glad too see we're all in the Christmas spirit.
The gear that's used is a personal choice, the type of gear you use is not as important as knowing how to use what you have. So many guys claim to have all this expensive gear but when you hear the demo's they don't sound any better than someone who may not have the funds available to buy the real expensive stuff. Learning your craft is more important than buying top end gear. Having the top of the line gear will make your life easier but it doesn't mean you sound better. And no, I'm not one of the guys with the RE-20 and the Symetrix 528E you we're talking about. I have a pretty good setup but it's taken years of growing my business to get there. We all started somewhere, and I guarantee you it wasn't with top of the line gear right out of the box. Oh yeah, just out of curiousity, I'm with Jeff. What's your mic chain?<P ID="signature">______________
Russ McLamb
Chris-Mar Studios</P>
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Hart
Guest
Yes, enlighten us on what the "proper" mic chain is in your mind.
I've asked that question a lot to a LOT of people and I don't think I've ever gotten the same answer twice. So many variables to contend with.
Seems to me there is a whole lot of room for opinion here. Reminds me of something a Scout Master told me many years ago. Opinions are like @ssholes. Everybody's got one and most of 'em stink.
> > Yes, cheapo gear. I use a REAL Focusrite pre, not some
> > garbage OEM stuck in a plastic box...Neumann TLM103...Yep,
>
> > cheapo equipment all around here. I guess I don't know
> what
> > I'm doing. Why don't you teach me something?
> > HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>
> When you move up from a low end Neumann, post back.
>
I've asked that question a lot to a LOT of people and I don't think I've ever gotten the same answer twice. So many variables to contend with.
Seems to me there is a whole lot of room for opinion here. Reminds me of something a Scout Master told me many years ago. Opinions are like @ssholes. Everybody's got one and most of 'em stink.
> > Yes, cheapo gear. I use a REAL Focusrite pre, not some
> > garbage OEM stuck in a plastic box...Neumann TLM103...Yep,
>
> > cheapo equipment all around here. I guess I don't know
> what
> > I'm doing. Why don't you teach me something?
> > HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
>
> When you move up from a low end Neumann, post back.
>
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bigwoody
Guest
> When you move up from a low end Neumann, post back.
>
"low end Neumann"? I believe the TLM103 costs about $900-$1000. That's not "cheap", cost-wise or quality. The TLM 103 has, basically, the same capsule as a U87. Main difference between the two is the u87 has multiple patterns. Arguably not worth an additional $1500.
John Wells, www.johnwells.com, who voices many, MANY radio stations, as well as film promos, tv promos, industrials, etc, uses the most basic setup ever; Sennheiser 416 P48 shotgun ($1000) and a Mackie 1202 ($300). No outboard mic pre at all. Just the Mackie. John makes A LOT of jack.
I guarantee you "Tanner" that he can buy and sell most all of us (except Jeff) when it comes to VO work. It's the voice...actually, the READ, that's most important. SKILL above tools. Good tools help, always will. But you gots to have 'da skillz! <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bigwoody on 12/23/05 07:21 PM.</FONT></P>
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"low end Neumann"? I believe the TLM103 costs about $900-$1000. That's not "cheap", cost-wise or quality. The TLM 103 has, basically, the same capsule as a U87. Main difference between the two is the u87 has multiple patterns. Arguably not worth an additional $1500.
John Wells, www.johnwells.com, who voices many, MANY radio stations, as well as film promos, tv promos, industrials, etc, uses the most basic setup ever; Sennheiser 416 P48 shotgun ($1000) and a Mackie 1202 ($300). No outboard mic pre at all. Just the Mackie. John makes A LOT of jack.
I guarantee you "Tanner" that he can buy and sell most all of us (except Jeff) when it comes to VO work. It's the voice...actually, the READ, that's most important. SKILL above tools. Good tools help, always will. But you gots to have 'da skillz! <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bigwoody on 12/23/05 07:21 PM.</FONT></P>
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> > I'll say this...Eric Chase (Chase Cuts) who is, IMHO,
> hands
> > down the most creative and best producer (imaging) in the
> > country, he sure makes Pro Tools "sing". Wow!
> >
> > BUT, I'll add this. Ann Dewig, one of the top female VO's
> > out there, and one hell of a producer herself (KEGL,
> DC101,
> > KBPI, Z100, etc). She uses Adobe and Vegas. She records
> and
> > does all effects in Adobe (using Vegas and Waves plugs)
> and
> > then mixes in Vegas. Not many people can produce like she
> > can. She's in the Eric Chase realm herself.
> >
> > Two extraordinary talents using Pro Tools and Adobe
> > Audition.
> >
>
> Exactly my point. It's more about the producer than the
> program. Eric uses ProTools, but embraces Audition and will
> even e-mail Chase Cuts subscribers tips on getting Audition
> to do cool things. A couple of years ago he sent out one of
> my tuorials to subscribers. At the time, I didn't know who
> Eric Chase was or what the hell Chase Cuts was. I'm a
> little ashamed of that now...Oops. Anyway, Steve Stone and
> Jeff Berlin both use ProTools as well, and I have nothing
> but respect for them and their work. Most of the bigger
> producers out there use ProTools because ProTools and SAW
> were the only options at the time these guys learned their
> trade. Once you know a program really well, it's hard to
> give it up. Hell, I still know very talented people using
> SAWPlus. We all know SAWPlus is outdated and not a very
> good program, by today's standards, but they seem to do
> pretty well.
>
I was a diehard Audicy user and had to convert to CEP, then AA. I LOVED the Audicy, and still think the Orban compression plugs and filters/EQ on it are the best out there, but had to change over b/c the cluster was changing everything since the DSE's were dying. Why buy $20k Audicy's that are limited, when you can get AA for $350.
Let's face it, for Radio, Adobe Audition is all one really needs.
> The biggest drawbacks of Audition right now are lack of ASIO
> support and lack of fader automation. There's no shortage
> of high-end cards with WDM drivers and, since I don't use a
> control surface, I could care less about fader
> automation...But these are the two biggest complaints from
> users and I expect they will be corrected in version 2.
>
In 2000 I was still using an analog Otari 8 track, at the #1 station (billing and revenue). So automated faders are a luxury, to me anyway, for radio production. For music auto faders might make more sense. But for radio...not "needed". A nice addition, but not really needed.
I do miss using the outboard processors; UREI's and Compellors. Arguably a richer sound than today's digital plugs.
I do wish AA had a Master Out like PT and Vegas. If it does have that ability, visually as well, then I'm not aware of it.<P ID="signature">______________
Chuck Matthews Voiceovers
[email protected]
http://voices.planetcharley.com
http://chuckmatthews1.voice123.com</P>
> hands
> > down the most creative and best producer (imaging) in the
> > country, he sure makes Pro Tools "sing". Wow!
> >
> > BUT, I'll add this. Ann Dewig, one of the top female VO's
> > out there, and one hell of a producer herself (KEGL,
> DC101,
> > KBPI, Z100, etc). She uses Adobe and Vegas. She records
> and
> > does all effects in Adobe (using Vegas and Waves plugs)
> and
> > then mixes in Vegas. Not many people can produce like she
> > can. She's in the Eric Chase realm herself.
> >
> > Two extraordinary talents using Pro Tools and Adobe
> > Audition.
> >
>
> Exactly my point. It's more about the producer than the
> program. Eric uses ProTools, but embraces Audition and will
> even e-mail Chase Cuts subscribers tips on getting Audition
> to do cool things. A couple of years ago he sent out one of
> my tuorials to subscribers. At the time, I didn't know who
> Eric Chase was or what the hell Chase Cuts was. I'm a
> little ashamed of that now...Oops. Anyway, Steve Stone and
> Jeff Berlin both use ProTools as well, and I have nothing
> but respect for them and their work. Most of the bigger
> producers out there use ProTools because ProTools and SAW
> were the only options at the time these guys learned their
> trade. Once you know a program really well, it's hard to
> give it up. Hell, I still know very talented people using
> SAWPlus. We all know SAWPlus is outdated and not a very
> good program, by today's standards, but they seem to do
> pretty well.
>
I was a diehard Audicy user and had to convert to CEP, then AA. I LOVED the Audicy, and still think the Orban compression plugs and filters/EQ on it are the best out there, but had to change over b/c the cluster was changing everything since the DSE's were dying. Why buy $20k Audicy's that are limited, when you can get AA for $350.
Let's face it, for Radio, Adobe Audition is all one really needs.
> The biggest drawbacks of Audition right now are lack of ASIO
> support and lack of fader automation. There's no shortage
> of high-end cards with WDM drivers and, since I don't use a
> control surface, I could care less about fader
> automation...But these are the two biggest complaints from
> users and I expect they will be corrected in version 2.
>
In 2000 I was still using an analog Otari 8 track, at the #1 station (billing and revenue). So automated faders are a luxury, to me anyway, for radio production. For music auto faders might make more sense. But for radio...not "needed". A nice addition, but not really needed.
I do miss using the outboard processors; UREI's and Compellors. Arguably a richer sound than today's digital plugs.
I do wish AA had a Master Out like PT and Vegas. If it does have that ability, visually as well, then I'm not aware of it.<P ID="signature">______________
Chuck Matthews Voiceovers
[email protected]
http://voices.planetcharley.com
http://chuckmatthews1.voice123.com</P>
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