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Untruths and Rumors

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radioprofessor

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I have listened to radio in this market for some time and have never felt the need to post on this board, but thought it important to clear up some untruths:
A. Seattle is not unique. Well executed radio formats and personalities work in this market, just like any other in the nation. My analysis of Seattle shows that stations that execute mechanics and play the correct songs succeed in their target demographics. Syndicated shows like Howard Stern worked in Seattle, just like every other market.
B. Seattle personalities that succeed are similar to like personalities I have had the pleasure to listen to in other markets. Each major market has three or four established personalities and they have a solid fan base. The successful programmers surround these personalities with music that fits their age and presentation. This is the case with Seattle personalities Bob Rivers, Kent and Alan, Ichabod and T-Man. Each has been here for over a decade and each personalities is on the appropriate station for their target audience. New personalities have a chance to succeed if they execute the format mechanics, promote and are willing to work 24/7 to become household names. Few have this work ethic.
C. Seattle has no outstanding radio stations. There is no dominant station that outperforms its projected format market share. This creates significant opportunity. Stations like KISS in LA, KISS in Boston, KISS in Dallas, KGO in SF all have heritage dominance outside their projected format shares. They become bigger than life.
D. A professors grade for your major stations:

92.5: Silly. This format is a national joke. Personalities sound like they belong in a much smaller market D-
93.3: Solid morning show. Station programming is way off the mark. They lack competition and win by default. Imaging and other air staff very weak. C
94.1: Solid Country station, but cluttered. Air-staff, especially mornings talk way to much. C+
95.7: Excellent Classic Hits format. Virtually automated. B
96.5: Silly. JACK format is a national joke. This JACK station has not made updates dictated by the national consultant. Lazy to say the least D
97.3: What is this? Very poor Oldies station. Personalities fit, but music is off the mark. D
98.1: Poorly formated Classical Station. This station needs updating in approach and music selection. There are some outstanding recordings that have been done recently. D+
99.9: Well programmed Rock Station. Mornings belong in Spokane, but fit the station well. B-
100.7: Well programmed WOLF Country. Horrid Airstaff C-
101.5: HOT/AC is a dead format. This station must hybrid to bright AC to survive. Odd mix of CHR, COUNTRY and HOT/AC hits. Mornings dull, but mechanically sound. C
102.5: Solid Classic Rock station, but way too cluttered. Mornings fit the market and format well. Would be better if music were included. B-
103.7: Uninspiring AAA. Personalities are generic and music is by the book. This station needs a mission/purpose. Cause oriented programming wins. C
105.3: Best station in the market. Christian programming, minimal clutter, solid air personalities. A-
106.1: Poorly programmed CHR. Mechanics, Music and Imaging need attention. Personalities need intense coaching for success. Mornings needs to focus more on music. D
106.9: Sounds like an AC from a decade ago. Needs updating, but may succeed due to lack of competition. D
107.7: Worst programmed Alternative station I have ever heard. Music lacks current focus, air staff is unfocused and Adam Corolla is a poor fit. F

On the AM dial there are no solid stations. The perfect station would take the mornings on KOMO, Middays on KTTH/KIRO, Afternoons on KIRO and Nights on KJR-AM. mixed with sports. The programming is spread across multiple stations and as a result none can win.

Finally, the postings on this thread tend to be wildly inaccurate. I can tell you, with some authority, that KQMV is not going to work long-term, JACK needs to hybrid to succeed, KBKS will fix its execution at all levels and become the dominant player on the FM dial. I can also tell you, with some authority, that the four-book is not everything. Most advertisers add extra weight to the most recent book and programmers pay very close attention to trends. Those that do not, are not doing their jobs. Radio requires passion, vision and 24/7 work from the programmer and air-staff to succeed.
 
Holy crap!! You clearly don't like to grade on a curve....!!!
Though most comments pretty interesting.

Any stations in OTHER markets that rate B+ or better in your gradebook?
 
Funny that you give KJR FM a higher grade than B97.3 when the ratings would prove otherwise. KJR FM's playlist sucks by the way.
 
Look at it as opportunity in Seattle for greatness. No station has reached that level yet, in my humble opinion. Here is a list of A stations in America that I have had the pleasure of either working with or listening to over the years. Note the variety of formats:

WBEB in Philadelphia
KGO in SF
KOIT in SF
WVEE in Atlanta
WSB in Atlanta
KQRS in Minneapolis
KISS in LA
KISS in Boston
KISS in Dallas
KMOX in St Louis
WHTZ in NY
WGPC in DC
KOOL in Phoenix

These station execute, adjust and adapt with talent, imaging and programming year after year. It is my view that Seattle has the potential to develop a similar station due to a
lack of A and B grade stations. Put Seattle stations up against any of the above in mornings, ratings, execution and you will find this market should not be graded on a curve. Few stations acheive this A status, but it is incumbent on all programmers and talent to try and outperform the format projection in the market. Several in Seattle underperform their market projection creating significant opportunity in the near future. I suspect some readjustment on a couple of stations is coming soon. I will be quick to correct inaccuracies on this Board for the benefit of all programmers. B-97.3 is well behind KJR-FM 25-54 on the four book. The last trend was particularly bad for B-97.3 Untruths and Rumors are not worthy of this radio board and should not be tolerated by the broadcast community.
 
Who made you king of the hill? Just what we need a new male poster who thinks he knows it all. A bit ya ya condesending don't ya think?
For your information professor big pants KQMV is the highest performing MOVIN station in the nation knocking the ya ya ratings out of the park beating its
"format projection." I kindof agree with most of your grades, except the morning talent in this market is quite poor. Pat Clark doubled Jackie and Bender
in his first book out. He took advantage of the "opportunity." No amount of "execution" will improve Jackie and Bender. Ichabod, Rivers and kent and allen sound like they are all ready retired. Hey professor, go back to school! Now that is ya ya funny cause mammaknowsbest.
 
Mama,
Come on. This post did not appear haughty or out of line to me. I appreciate hearing the views.
 
Must be why KUOW is the number one station in this market.

I have to agree with many of the observations made by the professor.

A few of my own observations... When was the last time a PD in this market had an aircheck session with ANY talent?? I consistently hear the same crutch phrases and weak delivery/execution by MANY Seattle on air talents. These same bad habits have gone unchanged for years.

The three morning shows in the market which i have personally seen all show up in the studio at 5:59am. Successfull morning shows in top markets actually show up early for their gigs fully prepared. there is a whole lot of lazy going on in rain city... Albeit some pretty good radio has been known to happen anyway. Just that showing up at 5:59am and winging it is not generally considered the best way to win.

Mamayaya.... keep smokin what that BC babe, one day you'll make it in this biz! Movin's success here exemplifies what the professor has said... its only due to the overall stagnation of the market. not a great station by any measure. I remember when i was 19 or 20 and thought i knew everything too!! HA.

Maybe Steve Rivers will provide the jolt this sleepy market needs to wake up.
 
Glad you mentioned 98.1

Most people on this board are probably not classical enthusiasts, but I am.

KING-FM is the dullest, most lifeless classical station in the world. If you REALLY wanna hear a classical morning guy who is alive and vibrant listen to Tom Allen on CBC-2 92.1 out of Vancouver.

I could say other things about the KING-FM staff but don't want to be unkind.

Classical radio can be so entertaining, bright, naughty even, educational, compelling, etc. KING is none of these things. Tom Dahlstrom moved in that direction, but he's long gone. KING-FM is classical muzak, poorly-executed and dull as dishwater, and I don't care if Steve Reeder can pronounce everything fluently and perfectly.

It has NO LIFE IN IT!
 
Schooled.

radioprofessor said:
Howard Stern worked in Seattle, just like every other market.

Not a true statement, because he did NOT work in every market. Cases in point: Minneapolis and Richmond.
 
placebo1969 said:
I'm not in the radio business other than being a listener. What exactly does "cluttered" mean? Thanks.

A reference to a lot of programming that doesn't fit together. A station that plays no commercials has no useless "elements" in their programming would be completely "uncluttered". As you start adding a lot of contests, commercials, etc. it becomes more "cluttered". For a music station, the more talk you have the more clutter you add. For a news station, the more non-news (banter, etc.) elements you have ... the more cluttered the station has become.
 
notalent said:
A few of my own observations... When was the last time a PD in this market had an aircheck session with ANY talent?? I consistently hear the same crutch phrases and weak delivery/execution by MANY Seattle on air talents. These same bad habits have gone unchanged for years.

I couldn't agree more....I nearly had a heartattack when listening to the radio the other day. Scanning the dial I hear some big voice puker telling me he's got some great 80's song "Coming at ya!"....I then go to some hippy enviro-friendly tree hugger station where there's no energy in the delivery and a long sordid laundry list of information that went no where - so what was I as the listener to take away from that break? Scan button again and I hear this Jr High sounding nasaly pitched dork trying to be funny with his "drive up window" bit and manufacture an out that was not funny and his editing skills in Vox Pro left much to be desired....Scan again and some country guy who sounds like he's talking through his teeth - and deep throating the mic who just did a front sell back sell with no tease, no hook, no forward momentum - Can you say THROW AWAY BREAK?

I'm sorry but there is really no talent in this market and I have yet to be impressed by anyone who has the fundamentals down. Making the appointment with the listener, forward momentum, selling the station/ current promotion / contest. using phones as a way to acomplish all of this and not trying to force things.....FOCUS on the listener, servicing them, and giving them a reason to keep listening rather than telling me that there's another great song coming at me that will sound like cream through the speakers, puking at me, or sounding like some pre-pubecent zit faced Jr High kid who should be a board op.
 
Welcom radioprofessor! I really like your thread. I think your observations on Seattle Radio are right on the mark. MamBlowsBest and a few others will get their panties in a wad because you make so much sense and they think they're all that and a bag of chips. It's refreshing to finally see some intelligent input and observations on this board.
 
Funny that you give KJR FM a higher grade than B97.3 when the ratings would prove otherwise. KJR FM's playlist sucks by the way.

Staxizzit - What ratings do you go by?
Arbitron shows KJR-FM beating KBSG soundly.
 
As someone who's been known to post a novel or two on this board, I thoroughly enjoyed Radio Professor's letter-grade rundown and description of area stations (very Consumer Guide-ish). By and large, I also agree.

Well done Radio Professor. This board has needed something of an authoritative slap-around for a while, not to mention someone with a good, impartial pair of ears.
 
notalent said:
...or sounding like some pre-pubecent zit faced Jr High kid who should be a board op.

Hey, all of us used to be that zit faced Jr High kid who should have been a board op.................maybe not in market 14, but hell,good for that kid! he's doing better than the rest of us did..


well, except for our new radioprofessor cough kiss pd.
 
Wow cowboys. Some new blood on the board that actually makes some sense. New to town so some of the facts are a bit off, but pretty solid analysis ;D I think it is easy for armchair PD's to judge talent. I first thought there was NO TALENT in Seattle, well cowboys I now admit I was a bit off. There are some good shows that have city appeal like Bob Rivers. There are some new shows that have launched well and doin more right than wrong like BJ Shea and Fitz. Ratings prove the point. There are some shows that should retire and some that never should have started in the first place. But I will tellya Seattle is unique. That A rated Christian station at the top of the 25-54 ratings heap. Hey Prof, find another market that has that. Two countries on Top in a top 15 market, yo PROF, find that. A CHR wallowing out of the top ten in every demo. Each market has its unique qualities. If we are all the same then where is the top rating Urban or Hispanic Station in Seattle PROF? Hmmmm? Oh guess what Prof, Seattle doesn't have the same population makeup as LA :p. hey Prof, why does our AAA station rock this market and you ain't even got one in LA ??? Maybe the professor needs to go back to school.
 
Dallas has a Christian station that does very well, especially with women 25-54. Also, Oldies KLUV does exceptionally well. Last trend, A25-54 #2 in DFW.

What are the similarities/differences regarding format performance in Seattle compared to other major mkts?
 
We are in the presence of greatness. The legendary Steve Rivers has not only returned to programming, but has seen fit to offer all of you wannabes a pull-no-punches rundown on the sorry state of Seattle radio. You better believe he will turn around KBKS. Does anyone on this board even want to try and debate his qualifications? You wish you had a resume like his -- Kiss Boston being the highlight.

OK Steve: you say the word and I'm buying the six-pack we'll take up to West Tiger to tweak that anemic, balls-free processing on Kiss into something competitive. Nicely tuned multiband compression, and turn off all of that harsh composite clipping! It's like listening to the music through a wet sponge. Yeah yeah, I know we can do it by remote right on the laptop I know, but it's not as fun is it? And finally, let's get some reverb on the mics. Just a touch: the reason people bash it is because people always put too much of it on. It sounds great when used sparingly.

Welcome back to the trenches Mr. Professor! Your new radio station -- and this market -- needs you. Do your thing!
 
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