Update on Guiding Light's Replacement

[imhomerjay]

Is the Dr.Oz show getting clearances on CBS O&O stations or ABC O&Os (New York, Philadelphia, etc.), assuming Rachael Ray moves to WCBS and KYW, if Disney/ABC really badly wants Dr.Oz on WABC and WPVI instead.

With Dr. Oz, The Doctors was renewed, and Dr.Phil is still around. Rachael Ray is also Harpo distributed by CBS. Minus Oprah (which is usually on ABC or NBC), that's plenty of syndicated content for the CBS owned and operated stations.

Incomprehensible sentences aside, Rachel Ray is not moving to KYW or WCBS. Period. The ABC O&Os renewed it for two seasons. A five second Google search tells us Dr. Oz is sold to WNYW in New York (along with WFLD in Chicago and KTTV in LA).

 

[ding12]

Is the Dr.Oz show getting clearances on CBS O&O stations or ABC O&Os (New York, Philadelphia, etc.), assuming Rachael Ray moves to WCBS and KYW, if Disney/ABC really badly wants Dr.Oz on WABC and WPVI instead.

With Dr. Oz, The Doctors was renewed, and Dr.Phil is still around. Rachael Ray is also Harpo distributed by CBS. Minus Oprah (which is usually on ABC or NBC), that's plenty of syndicated content for the CBS owned and operated stations.

Incomprehensible sentences aside, Rachel Ray is not moving to KYW or WCBS. Period. The ABC O&Os renewed it for two seasons. A five second Google search tells us Dr. Oz is sold to WNYW in New York (along with WFLD in Chicago and KTTV in LA).

Well, its the first time a Harpo show has gone to the Fox O&Os. I apologize for not googling it before assuming.All the other Harpo spinoff shows have cleared mainly on CBS O&Os in the past. Not only that but Dr.Oz's show is expected to do well, so I assumed Disney/ABC would have pursued it, like they did with Rosie O'Donnell, WPVI with Donahue and Sally Jessy Raphael during their heydey periods. When Oprah retires, if she does, they'll need something. So, Fox strengthens its daytime instead.

For someone intent on maintaining correct form on a message board,its Rachael not Rachel Ray. Your attitude isn't needed.

 

[imhomerjay]

Some of the ABC O&Os will need a replacement, but that replacement could also come in the form of expanded news in some cases.

Right now, the Fox stations have better inventory available (on average). There's no room except overnights on the major ABC O&Os, making it logical for other station groups to make bids. Some CBS O&Os may have it individually instead of a group deal--they seem less in lockstep overall than Disney tends to be in cases like WPVI and WABC.

 

[DToTheJ]

Is the Dr.Oz show getting clearances on CBS O&O stations or ABC O&Os (New York, Philadelphia, etc.), assuming Rachael Ray moves to WCBS and KYW, if Disney/ABC really badly wants Dr.Oz on WABC and WPVI instead.

With Dr. Oz, The Doctors was renewed, and Dr.Phil is still around. Rachael Ray is also Harpo distributed by CBS. Minus Oprah (which is usually on ABC or NBC), that's plenty of syndicated content for the CBS owned and operated stations.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume that WLNE/Providence does not secure any CBS programming.

 

[cutelittlecaramelkid]

Some of the ABC O&Os will need a replacement, but that replacement could also come in the form of expanded news in some cases.

Right now, the Fox stations have better inventory available (on average). There's no room except overnights on the major ABC O&Os, making it logical for other station groups to make bids. Some CBS O&Os may have it individually instead of a group deal--they seem less in lockstep overall than Disney tends to be in cases like WPVI and WABC.

Here in Wichita, Kansas, Dr. Oz will be on FOX this fall, plus they need to add two more shows as they canceled Mike and Juliet, dropping the Montel reruns and they will lose Tyra to the CW (if you don't know, Tyra and the CW has a deal to broadcast her show as part of their daytime programming, using both hours-first hour rerun, second hour new-currently used by Judge Jeanine Pirro and the reruns of Jamie Foxx and the Wayans Bros.).

 

[bpatrick]

Is the Dr.Oz show getting clearances on CBS O&O stations or ABC O&Os (New York, Philadelphia, etc.), assuming Rachael Ray moves to WCBS and KYW, if Disney/ABC really badly wants Dr.Oz on WABC and WPVI instead.

With Dr. Oz, The Doctors was renewed, and Dr.Phil is still around. Rachael Ray is also Harpo distributed by CBS. Minus Oprah (which is usually on ABC or NBC), that's plenty of syndicated content for the CBS owned and operated stations.

I'm going to take a stab in the dark and assume that WLNE/Providence does not secure any CBS programming.

I don't get your point. WLNE is an ABC affiliate; WPRI
is the CBS affiliate in Providence.

Regardless of what goes into GL's timeslot, the producers
must be planning a big sendoff. Ed Bauer is back on the
show, and I was watching the New York feed this morning
since I hadn't seen him in several years. He's got Philip
Spaulding for a patient; seems Philip has a rare lung infection
that's going to kill him within three months. Then one of the
younger female characters (I don't know her name, since I'm
no longer a big fan of the show) plans to get married in three
months. Why all the talk about three months? GL has a little
less than three months to go! The week of Sept. 14-18 may
be very interesting, if you follow GL.

 

[MarcB]

I don't get your point. WLNE is an ABC affiliate; WPRI
is the CBS affiliate in Providence.

I guess you missed the story. WLNE owes CBS (which I assume King World is part of) over $5 million for syndicated programming. Some of the shows have been yanked and have ended up on FOX 64.

 

[bpatrick]

You're right; I did miss it. King World is
part of CBS, though, and I'm a little bit
surprised that the ABC o&os still have Oprah,
"Wheel Of Fortune," and "Jeopardy!"

 

[watchingtelevision]

I'd like to see Pyramid make it on the air, but could care less about The Dating Game. It was never on CBS, and CBS should be considering remakes of other classic CBS game shows. My choice would be Press Your Luck.

By that logic, CBS never should have picked up Pyramid years ago, because "it was never on CBS." They should have been focussing on remakes of other classic CBS game shows, not re-hashed ones made famous elsewhere.

Seriously, what kind of logic is that? ???

Actually, CBS originated "Pyramid" in 1973 as "The $10,000 Pyramid."

 

[imhomerjay]

You're right; I did miss it. King World is
part of CBS, though, and I'm a little bit
surprised that the ABC o&os still have Oprah,
"Wheel Of Fortune," and "Jeopardy!"

No real reason to be surprised. Business is business--different parts of a company can do business with a competitor when it makes sense. Oprah, Wheel and Jeopardy have a long--and profitable--history on those legacy stations, and it makes perfect business sense to continue that relationship because it contributes well to the bottom line.

 

[bpatrick]

I'd like to see Pyramid make it on the air, but could care less about The Dating Game. It was never on CBS, and CBS should be considering remakes of other classic CBS game shows. My choice would be Press Your Luck.

By that logic, CBS never should have picked up Pyramid years ago, because "it was never on CBS." They should have been focussing on remakes of other classic CBS game shows, not re-hashed ones made famous elsewhere.

Seriously, what kind of logic is that? ???

Actually, CBS originated "Pyramid" in 1973 as "The $10,000 Pyramid."

"Pyramid" has had two runs on CBS: as "The $10,000 Pyramid"
(1973-74, then it aired on ABC from 1974-80) and as "The $25,000
Pyramid" (1982-88). But I agree that the logic is flawed. "The Price
Is Right," in its original, Bill Cullen-hosted version, never aired on CBS;
it was on NBC (1956-63) and ABC (1963-65). Now I know it's not
comparing apples to apples when I mention Cullen's version alongside
the version we see every morning, but it was CBS that was interested
in reviving "Price," with format changes, in 1972. Likewise, "Match Game"
in its original version aired on NBC (1962-69); it, too, was picked up--
with format changes--by CBS in 1973.

I, too, would prefer a revival of one of CBS's classics like "Press
Your Luck" (but who can replace Peter Tomarken?), "Joker's Wild,"
maybe "Gambit," but CBS is going to do what it's going to do. If
v.p. of daytime programming Barbara Bloom had looked at "Guiding
Light"'s ratings after the return of Grant Aleksander (Philip Spaulding),
she might have given the show another year.

 

[imhomerjay]

I'm not sure I would have made a different decision because of a mild uptick due to one actor returning. Sooner or later, that novelty will wear off, or said actor will leave again, and you're right back where you started. It's a judgement call, but sooner or later you bite the bullet and accept the long-term picture, not a short-term trend.

 

[KyDXIn]

I'd like to see Pyramid make it on the air, but could care less about The Dating Game. It was never on CBS, and CBS should be considering remakes of other classic CBS game shows. My choice would be Press Your Luck.

I liked the 70's version of Match Game, but I think a new version wouldn't be nearly as good.

How bout a Match Game remake with the panelists in 70s garb ala the Brady Bunch movie. That might be interesting...

 

[bpatrick]

I'm not sure I would have made a different decision because of a mild uptick due to one actor returning. Sooner or later, that novelty will wear off, or said actor will leave again, and you're right back where you started. It's a judgement call, but sooner or later you bite the bullet and accept the long-term picture, not a short-term trend.

I'll have to admit that, on second thought, you may be
right, especially when the character of Philip is due to
be bumped off by a rare lung infection around the time
GL ends (had it not been canceled, Grant Aleksander might
have taken off for the umpteenth time). And I have to agree
that GL really had little or no long-term future; as I pointed out
elsewhere, it and "As The World Turns" have been losing money
for Procter & Gamble for years. And, unlike in the past, it hasn't
been attracting a new generation, despite the infusion of younger
characters; I've heard it referred to as "your grandmother's soap."

As to its replacement, I still wish CBS would at least pair "Pyramid"
with a revived "Joker's Wild." I think the two would be more
compatible than a "Pyramid"/"Dating Game" combo (after all, they
ran back to back in 1973-74). But, as I said, CBS is going to do
what it's going to do.

And one final personal note on this response: yes, it will seem
strange--daytime without GL, more so than when long-running
classics like Edge Of Night, Search For Tomorrow, and Another
World were canceled, just because of the longevity (nearly three-
quarters of a century). But my interest began to wane after that
idiot Jill Farren Phelps killed off Maureen Bauer in 1993 and reached
a climax when Jerry verDorn was handed his walking papers in 2007.
I'll be there for the last show, even if I have to watch the West
Coast feed at 5 PM (ET), but I will shed no tears.

 

[imhomerjay]

For sure, stunts and the return of favorites help provide the short term boosts that can jump start a show, but if the show's battery is too far drained, as it were, the moment you take away the jumper cables...well, you don't move too far.

I'd love to see Joker's Wild come back, and though I appreciate that they're keeping Pyramid very much in keeping with the previous, non-Osmond, version, a Joker revival would need to pick up the pace, up the stakes and be a bit more challenging than those classic Barry & Enright games (the "This game is like a world of sweet treats, it's Candy....blank"). And this comes from someone whose favorite all-time game is Joker's Wild. Honestly, the second format of the 1990 revival had a better idea, but by then it was too little, too late (and it still had Pat Finn).

Match Game? Let's let it be. The double entendres that were naughty in 1976 are pretty much commonplace now. The enevlope has been pushed further, so 'hinting' at being naughty now looks juvenile, not edgy.

 

[Tim from Springfield IL]

According to gameshownewsnet.com, the two shows that are in works to possibly replace Guiding Light are The Dating Game & Pyramid. The sad part of this news is that they're making it $1,000,000 Pyramid, and in all honesty, I think it's a bit much. Why not just stick with $100,000 Pyramid. There are WAY TOO MANY $1,000,000 game shows on TV now..and I've got a feelling they're gonna crap it up like Donnymid. I can't see The Dating Game being a hit in today's entertainment world. Just keeping my fingers crossed that they choose Pyramid (and maybe come up with something else - Match Game anyone?) and use a more CLASSIC look to the set & get a good host (DON'T DO TO PYRAMID WHAT YOU DID TO TPiR!!!!)

The subject of Guiding Light's replacement brings up another question. How much CBS affiliate clearance do you think these games will get? (For instance, I doubt KOVR in Sacramento will clear the GL replacement, while WNEM Saginaw/Bay City, MI will probably place the show on their MyNetwork subchannel).

 

[imhomerjay]

Finding a few isolated examples of stations not clearing it wouldn't be shocking, but by and large, I'd expect reasonably solid clearance. What I'd also, expect, though, is a boost in the number of affiliates opting for the morning feed a la the major O&Os. It's a decent trade off with CBS to clear it in the morning and have the 3 pm hour for syndie fare if you want to follow that trend.

 

[Starbucks]

Hey Gomer, long time no read....but i hope you can provide facts and statistics on your replies. Then i'll go over the criteria with you.

 

[ssetta]

I doubt the CBS O&Os and all of the CBS affiliates that currently air Guiding Light in the morning would be willing to give up the 3 pm timeslot to CBS, because on a lot of them is usually a show that's very popular. Almost all of the CBS O&Os air Guiding Light at 9 or 10 am, and a lot of them air Dr. Phil at 3 pm, such as WBZ, WCBS and KDKA. I'm pretty sure KYW has the Doctors at 3 pm. But anyway, on the above mentioned affiliates, Dr. Phil usually does very well at 3 pm, so I don't think they'd want to give that up.

 

[imhomerjay]

Correct--KYW airs The Doctors at 3 p.m., and you can safely bet it isn't about to be swapped out for a game show block.