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Update on Guiding Light's Replacement
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imhomerjay said:
I think a 10-11 AM game-show block would be mighty tempting,
especially when you count the number of really successful games
that ran after 2 PM: "Password," the original "Newlywed Game,"
"Dating Game," "To Tell The Truth," "Who Do You Trust?", "You
Don't Say!", and the '60s and '70s versions of "Match Game" (some
might add "Tattletales" and "Queen For A Day," although I consider
the latter to be more of a reality show; "Price Is Right" never fared
as well in the afternoon as it has in the morning). I think it would
be great to have "Joker" at 10 again, followed by "Pyramid" at 10:30,
and "Price" at 11 (or even a remake of the '80s block of "Pyramid" at
10, "Press Your Luck" at 10:30, "Price" at 11). If I ran a CBS affiliate
that's currently on the afternoon feed of "Guiding Light," I would
certainly consider games in the morning and syndicated shows from
3 until my 5 PM news came on. (Just to belabor my point, CBS o&o KTVT Dallas/Ft. Worth, runs "Price" at 10 (CT), followed by "Jeopardy!"
at its old network time of 11 AM, then the four CBS soaps in a block
from 11:30-3. Put a game-show block from 9-10, as KDFW once did
when it was the CBS affiliate, and I see some very good program flow.)
But, like the voice crying in the wilderness, I still think 'Pyramid" and
"Dating Game" are incompatible.
I
imhomerjay
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I agree it seems like an odd pairing on a gut level. Let's Make a Deal, when it was kicked about, made some sense when you consider the major markets where it would be part of the block with Price. Who knows, though, what could happen down the road: if Pyramid does well but Dating struggles, we could see just that piece of the block swapped out. (Or the reverse; it will be interesting to see how it plays out, no pun intended).
As with all things on Wikipedia, I can't vouch for
the accuracy of this, and wonder if anyone has
heard anything about "Bold And The Beautiful"
expanding to an hour and moving to 3 PM (ET)
September 21, replacing "Guiding Light." That's
at "Bold And The Beautiful"'s Wikipedia site. That's
also the first I've heard about it.
It seems odd. There's no mention of "Young And
The Restless" moving to 1 PM, setting up a three-
hour soap block paralleling "AMC," "OLTL," and "GH"
on ABC. Also, I can't imagine CBS putting the number-
two-rated soap at 10 AM on the stations now carrying
"GL" at that time. But if anybody knows something I
don't, I'd like to hear from you.
the accuracy of this, and wonder if anyone has
heard anything about "Bold And The Beautiful"
expanding to an hour and moving to 3 PM (ET)
September 21, replacing "Guiding Light." That's
at "Bold And The Beautiful"'s Wikipedia site. That's
also the first I've heard about it.
It seems odd. There's no mention of "Young And
The Restless" moving to 1 PM, setting up a three-
hour soap block paralleling "AMC," "OLTL," and "GH"
on ABC. Also, I can't imagine CBS putting the number-
two-rated soap at 10 AM on the stations now carrying
"GL" at that time. But if anybody knows something I
don't, I'd like to hear from you.
I
imhomerjay
Guest
Wikipedia is about as useful as...well, there are few things less useful on the 'net. It's false.
I
imhomerjay
Guest
Please, no, no more things for the government to spend my tax money on. We don't need government censorship; if people are ill-informed enough to take what they see on Wikipedia at face value, so be it. It's on them.
And again I stress that what Wikipedia says
concerning "B&B"'s moving to 3 PM is to be
taken with a grain of salt. I haven't heard
anything that says CBS is considering such
a move, and I don't think it would be a good
idea to (1) split it and "Y&R" and (2) put it
in the 10 AM death trap in New York and
other major cities where "GL" is now. That's
why I asked for feedback, to see if anyone
knows something I don't.
concerning "B&B"'s moving to 3 PM is to be
taken with a grain of salt. I haven't heard
anything that says CBS is considering such
a move, and I don't think it would be a good
idea to (1) split it and "Y&R" and (2) put it
in the 10 AM death trap in New York and
other major cities where "GL" is now. That's
why I asked for feedback, to see if anyone
knows something I don't.
JeeperOne
Banned
Speaking as someone who lives in the Mountain Time Zone where GL airs @ 2:00 PM, here's MY take on what I think CBS should do with that time slot....
Produce a show THAT TARGETS TEENAGERS (ala One Tree Hill or Y&R, but younger). They could have Bell Productions take on the job since P&G's production division has been a $$$ loser for the physical soap manufacturer for years anyway. This way, not only would CBS have a new soap opera (Or drama as it were) but at the same time, IT WOULD TARGET THE VERY AUDIENCE WHICH GL HAS BEEN TRYING TO REACH ALL THESE YEARS.
Ohh yeah....As for ATWT CBS can save that show simply by taking it over (Only this time, KNOCK P&G OUT OF THE MIX ALTOGETHER).
I dunno. Maybe I'm just imagining something that just won't fly on the coveted East Coast, even though it'll fly in over THREE QUARTERS of the rest of America?
Am I insane for even thinking of this?
Cheers
Produce a show THAT TARGETS TEENAGERS (ala One Tree Hill or Y&R, but younger). They could have Bell Productions take on the job since P&G's production division has been a $$$ loser for the physical soap manufacturer for years anyway. This way, not only would CBS have a new soap opera (Or drama as it were) but at the same time, IT WOULD TARGET THE VERY AUDIENCE WHICH GL HAS BEEN TRYING TO REACH ALL THESE YEARS.
Ohh yeah....As for ATWT CBS can save that show simply by taking it over (Only this time, KNOCK P&G OUT OF THE MIX ALTOGETHER).
I dunno. Maybe I'm just imagining something that just won't fly on the coveted East Coast, even though it'll fly in over THREE QUARTERS of the rest of America?
Am I insane for even thinking of this?
Cheers
I think it would be difficult to put on a daytime soap that targets teenagers. Where I live, the high-school kids don't get out until 3 PM, and Nielsen (correct me if I'm wrong) doesn't count homes where people tape the show. (I remember when I was in high school we were not able to watch "Dark Shadows" because it came on in Birmingham at 3 PM (CT), just as we were getting out of school; no VCRs then.) Also, I teach at a community college; many of my students are in the 18-20-year-old range, and most of them go to school during the day and work nights.
I also don't think the networks want to spend the money to mount a new soap right now. As for CBS's owning "ATWT," I shudder to think what would happen.
CBS once bought "Love Of Life" and "Secret Storm" from American Home Products, and drove both of them into the ground.
What CBS should do is take a look at what they're doing in England. "EastEnders," "Coronation Street," and "The Archers" are all multi-generational soaps, as "Guiding Light" was in its heyday. I've read stories of viewers who got hooked on "GL" as children, watching with their mothers or grandmothers, because they'd be enjoying cookies and milk while Rick or Hope Bauer did the same thing on the tube. (Indeed, in the '60s and '70s, there was grandma Bert, sons Mike and Ed, and grandchildren Hope and Rick; one family, I know, but something for all ages.) And even then, I'm not sure it would work; go back to the first paragraph of this posting.
I also don't think the networks want to spend the money to mount a new soap right now. As for CBS's owning "ATWT," I shudder to think what would happen.
CBS once bought "Love Of Life" and "Secret Storm" from American Home Products, and drove both of them into the ground.
What CBS should do is take a look at what they're doing in England. "EastEnders," "Coronation Street," and "The Archers" are all multi-generational soaps, as "Guiding Light" was in its heyday. I've read stories of viewers who got hooked on "GL" as children, watching with their mothers or grandmothers, because they'd be enjoying cookies and milk while Rick or Hope Bauer did the same thing on the tube. (Indeed, in the '60s and '70s, there was grandma Bert, sons Mike and Ed, and grandchildren Hope and Rick; one family, I know, but something for all ages.) And even then, I'm not sure it would work; go back to the first paragraph of this posting.
Even if Bold and Beautiful expanded to one hour, I would think Bell Productions would want to keep it paired with Young and Restless. That means As The World Turns would shift ahead 30 minutes.
One thing that always bothered me is that CBS never seems to mention that they've owned the number 1 daytime slot for the past 21 years. Further, with the exceptions of General Hospital and All My Children in the late 70's/early 80's, have dominated daytime ratings for the past 50 years. I know primetime (and late night) means everything but when you have good news, you should spread it!
One thing that always bothered me is that CBS never seems to mention that they've owned the number 1 daytime slot for the past 21 years. Further, with the exceptions of General Hospital and All My Children in the late 70's/early 80's, have dominated daytime ratings for the past 50 years. I know primetime (and late night) means everything but when you have good news, you should spread it!
True enough, and hasn't Y&R been number one every single week since 1989?
I think the one thing keeping B&B from going to an hour is that some of the key cast members don't want it. John McCook (Eric) likes the (usually) eight-hour workday as opposed to 12-14 hours on the hour shows; he likes being able to have his evenings free after he learns his lines for the next show, which he says takes only a couple of hours. Susan Flannery (Stephanie) worked on Days Of Our Lives when it was a half-hour, was still there when it went to an hour, and says it was murder on her feet; since there's little opportunity to sit down, you're on your feet almost continuously from 12-14 hours. She once said she'd quit B&B if it went to an hour, rather than face that torture again.
For now I think Y&R, B&B, and ATWT will stay where they are.
I think the one thing keeping B&B from going to an hour is that some of the key cast members don't want it. John McCook (Eric) likes the (usually) eight-hour workday as opposed to 12-14 hours on the hour shows; he likes being able to have his evenings free after he learns his lines for the next show, which he says takes only a couple of hours. Susan Flannery (Stephanie) worked on Days Of Our Lives when it was a half-hour, was still there when it went to an hour, and says it was murder on her feet; since there's little opportunity to sit down, you're on your feet almost continuously from 12-14 hours. She once said she'd quit B&B if it went to an hour, rather than face that torture again.
For now I think Y&R, B&B, and ATWT will stay where they are.
I
imhomerjay
Guest
Correct on the Y&R winning streak...a generation now at number one. An impressive streak.
Pretty amazing. I remember when I first became a fan in 1982. I was in college and had to go back to my room and watch because the student lounges were full of people watching something called "Ryan's Hope".imhomerjay said:
By 1989 I had dealt with my addcition and now limit myself to Emmy clips and Nancy Reichardt and other syndicated soap summary columns.
"Ryan's Hope" did quite well for ABC at 12:30; I don't
know if it ever consistently beat "Y&R," and in '82
"General Hospital" (#1) and "Guiding Light" (#4) were in a real
fight at 3 (ET). The beginning of the end for "RH"
came when ABC put it on at noon because it favored
Agnes Nixon's "Loving." With affiliates in the Eastern
time zone pre-empting "RH," it never had a chance and
was canceled in January 1989.
Steve Beverly mentioned the possibility (emphasis there)
of CBS's giving back 10 AM/3 PM to the affiliates, but he
doesn't think it's probable. He cites the near-impossibility
of getting the affiliates back once they get that timeslot.
With just over two months left before the last episode of
"GL," when is CBS going to officially announce its replacement(s)?
know if it ever consistently beat "Y&R," and in '82
"General Hospital" (#1) and "Guiding Light" (#4) were in a real
fight at 3 (ET). The beginning of the end for "RH"
came when ABC put it on at noon because it favored
Agnes Nixon's "Loving." With affiliates in the Eastern
time zone pre-empting "RH," it never had a chance and
was canceled in January 1989.
Steve Beverly mentioned the possibility (emphasis there)
of CBS's giving back 10 AM/3 PM to the affiliates, but he
doesn't think it's probable. He cites the near-impossibility
of getting the affiliates back once they get that timeslot.
With just over two months left before the last episode of
"GL," when is CBS going to officially announce its replacement(s)?
I
imhomerjay
Guest
They don't seem to be in a hurry, do they? Maybe it's just a case of waiting to see how the just-taped Deal pilot looks to them. Unlike a soap, if you're doing game show revivals, your lead time is pretty flexible. I just read the daytime Price was added relatively close to its premiere, taping just two weeks ahead of air initially. Perhaps history, or a part of it, is repeating itself.
Not that the affiliates wouldn't take time time, but it's a bit late to decide now to give the hour back (and no, CBS wouldn't get it back barring a mircale if they cede it now). If the replacements are disasters, maybe then it goes back, but that's a big "if" right now.
Not that the affiliates wouldn't take time time, but it's a bit late to decide now to give the hour back (and no, CBS wouldn't get it back barring a mircale if they cede it now). If the replacements are disasters, maybe then it goes back, but that's a big "if" right now.
The thought just occurred to me; how many
affiliates might opt out of the game shows
for demographic reasons (of course, they could
have opted out of "GL" for demographic reasons,
but I know of places--including where I live--where
that would not have been a popular decision) and
substitute a younger-skewing talk or court show anyway?
affiliates might opt out of the game shows
for demographic reasons (of course, they could
have opted out of "GL" for demographic reasons,
but I know of places--including where I live--where
that would not have been a popular decision) and
substitute a younger-skewing talk or court show anyway?
I
imhomerjay
Guest
Interesting possibility. Dangling the 10 a.m. option might help maintain clearances in the face of demo concerns. If you have some CBS affiliates with syndie games in the afternoon, it might help them build a block there in lieu of pairing with Price in the morning.
Pat Cook said:Speaking as someone who lives in the Mountain Time Zone where GL airs @ 2:00 PM, here's MY take on what I think CBS should do with that time slot....
Produce a show THAT TARGETS TEENAGERS (ala One Tree Hill or Y&R, but younger). They could have Bell Productions take on the job since P&G's production division has been a $$$ loser for the physical soap manufacturer for years anyway. This way, not only would CBS have a new soap opera (Or drama as it were) but at the same time, IT WOULD TARGET THE VERY AUDIENCE WHICH GL HAS BEEN TRYING TO REACH ALL THESE YEARS.
Ohh yeah....As for ATWT CBS can save that show simply by taking it over (Only this time, KNOCK P&G OUT OF THE MIX ALTOGETHER).
I dunno. Maybe I'm just imagining something that just won't fly on the coveted East Coast, even though it'll fly in over THREE QUARTERS of the rest of America?
Am I insane for even thinking of this?
Cheers
Isn't that what CW+ and "the N" are? Nothing but teen targeted shows during the afternoon. Pat, I'm guessing your a teenager?
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