Steve casued his own exit but later down the road it open the door for more success. He actually admitted in a article a while back he felt sorry for what happen to the station after his departure. He even mention wanting his show to grow with Radio One but I guess he clashed with GM and staff telling him to hush with the preaching and play the hits. Radio One took over Tom Joyners show (Reach Media) from ABC Radio and saw the perfect opprotunity to bring him back. Sad enough Tom is not LA. I guess they didnt look at KACE numbers while making that decision. Tom already knew his show wasnt going to last on KRBV not to mention the time difference with Dallas being 2 hours ahead. Sad enough when they sold KRBV they only got 137 million for it and still in debt compared to the 400 million they paid for the station back in 1999. Then selling off other stations in other markets where the african american population is low. As far as them leaving Los Angeles good for them. Dont need them. But honestly the only people who really got the short end of the stick is the staffers. When they sold KRBV alot of the longtime staffers were pissed about their severance packages. Only getting paid from the time with Radio One not the previous owner.
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Urban Radio in Los Angeles
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KACE was Urban Oldies not Urban AC. The only time KACE played current music was during Tom Joyners show from 5am til 9am or 6am til 10am. I doubt it was live due to show coming from Dallas. KACE was a higher rated station compared to KJLH where KACE had a simulcast in Riverside on 103.9 that lasted til 1995. Plus KACE simulcast on 98.3 that serves the San Gaberial Valley. KJLH signal is spotty in those areas due to other stations interfering on 102.3. KJJZ in Palm Springs and KZXY in Apple Valley past Six Flags. Santa Monica college station KRCU has a translator for Oxnard on 102.3 also. KJLH has a translator in Hollywood but only 5 watts so hardly any difference for coverage for the valley. He sure as hell doesnt care who likes his show now its syndicated all over the country. Other choices to choose from now either Tom Joyner or Detroits based Mason show.
wdb2003 said:
KACE, to the best of my knowledge, may only have simulcast on the Arrowhead station briefly in early 1994 when All Pro owned it at the same time they were selling the LA signal to Cox. Arrowhead 103.9 was country through the Fall 1993 book, briefly urban at the start of 1994, and then went to a rock format later in the year.
The IE 103.9 signal would not have helped KACE in ratings, as Arbitron did not report out of market simulcasts... and KBON was definitely an out of market station. In fact, they did not even have single line reporting then.
In the Spring, 1990 book KBON was reported as Oldies with a 1.2 share; in Spring of 2002 it was still reported as KBON and Oldies. By Spring of '93 it was KAEV and country, per American Radio. It was urban and still KAEV in early '94, and soon became KCXX and AOR after the Inglewood station was sold .
KACE simulcast on 98.3 West Covina from early 1997 till January of 2000.
As long as Steve Harvey is making his money off of the radio show and it's syndicated he's thinking it is what it is. IMO Steve Harvey doesn't care jack about KJLH's reputation as the home urban station because he is not live on their. The reason KJLH was was named "KJLH Rhythm 102.3" and became a mainstream urban was to chase after the old KKBT. I heard Tom Joyner once a few weeks after KKBT flipped to Urban AC.wdb2003 said:
Why should he care about KJLH. Hes on in 47 other cities and no one else in Los Angeles will pick him up. Despite his show being owned by Clear Channel no way in hell KHHT would air it. We live on the westcoast and Atlanta is 2 hours ahead of us. For it to be live it will have to air at 3am til 7am. Nobody is gonna be up that early to listen to a morning show. KDAY actually did air it live from 3am til 7am in 2006 for a short time and it was live from 8am til 10am just for Los Angeles right before Yo Yo or Theo's shift. Meaning he was on the air longer. At the end of the day Steve wins
I can't see KHHT Hot 92.3 picking up Steve Harvey because Hot 92.3 is aimed at whites, asian and hispanic women 25-54. It's not even Urban AC anymore. When he was live on KKBT 100.3 The Beat he had to compete with Cliff & Janine on KJLH and Big Boy on KPWR. He competed with Big Boy completely. I remember him playing rap music on his show when he was on KKBT but was very apprehensive about doing so. The R&B he would play would be Ginuwine's Differences, Glenn Lewis Don't You Forget It, Ruff Endz Someone To Love You, Jagged Edge Where The Party At and KeKe Wyatt's Nothing In This World because those artist were a staple at KKBT 100.3 The Beat at that time. Since he's syndication he has more freedom to play the music that he enjoys.wdb2003 said:
Thats fine people outgrow music and in this case he was getting older and didnt fit the stations demo. Just like Don Cornelius leaving Soul Train in 93. I dont think knowbody wants to hear Don announce Snoop Doggy Dog although it would be funny. The syndicated show is made for Urban AC radio not Mainstream Urban and sad enough nothing syndicated works in Los Angeles. From my knowlegde everybody had it on the Beat in the morning during Steve Harvey's tenture in the early 2000's. When you tell other people about Cliff and Janie they are like who? But another reason why his show doesnt work is because since its return it has aired on two low power stations compared to 100.3fm. When the show left everybody switch to Big Boy on Power. Its kinda annoying listening to a station while driving that fades in and out. Before KDAY's so called upgrade LOL :
the singal was shitty driving in the Hollywood area and Wilshire district. At least on KJLH its somewhat listenable until you hit Colorado Blvd heading east in Pasadena. Bottom line the morning show is sucessful in other markets with heritage Urban AC stations just not here in Los Angeles anymore.
the singal was shitty driving in the Hollywood area and Wilshire district. At least on KJLH its somewhat listenable until you hit Colorado Blvd heading east in Pasadena. Bottom line the morning show is sucessful in other markets with heritage Urban AC stations just not here in Los Angeles anymore.Thats fine people outgrow music and in this case he was getting older and didnt fit the stations demo. Just like Don Cornelius leaving Soul Train in 93. I dont think knowbody wants to hear Don announce Snoop Doggy Dog although it would be funny. The syndicated show is made for Urban AC radio not Mainstream Urban and sad enough nothing syndicated works in Los Angeles. From my knowlegde everybody had it on the Beat in the morning during Steve Harvey's tenture in the early 2000's. When you tell other people about Cliff and Janie they are like who? But another reason why his show doesnt work is because since its return it has aired on two low power stations compared to 100.3fm. When the show left everybody switch to Big Boy on Power. Its kinda annoying listening to a station while driving that fades in and out. Before KDAY's so called upgrade LOL : the singal was shitty driving in the Hollywood area and Wilshire district. At least on KJLH its somewhat listenable until you hit Colorado Blvd heading east in Pasadena. Bottom line the morning show is sucessful in other markets with heritage Urban AC stations just not here in Los Angeles anymore.
Trust me wdb2003, I know this. KKBT was the bomb back in the 90's & Early 2000's. 93.5 KDAY is still low powered though. KJLH has tried to increase their signal in 2000 but it didn't work. IMO he didn't not fit on KDAY because he plays 30 year old R&B songs and for the rest of the day KDAY imaged it self as a hip hop station. yikes KDAY's programing was fragmented when it was playing currents. About people outgrowing music, you are right because I find myself listening to more R&B these days.
the singal was shitty driving in the Hollywood area and Wilshire district. At least on KJLH its somewhat listenable until you hit Colorado Blvd heading east in Pasadena. Bottom line the morning show is sucessful in other markets with heritage Urban AC stations just not here in Los Angeles anymore.Trust me wdb2003, I know this. KKBT was the bomb back in the 90's & Early 2000's. 93.5 KDAY is still low powered though. KJLH has tried to increase their signal in 2000 but it didn't work. IMO he didn't not fit on KDAY because he plays 30 year old R&B songs and for the rest of the day KDAY imaged it self as a hip hop station. yikes
KDAY's programing was fragmented when it was playing currents. About people outgrowing music, you are right because I find myself listening to more R&B these days.Steve Harvey's show works for most markets with larger concentratios of black listeners, but the syndicated show isn't nearly as good as when he was 'live' on KKBT. In fact, it's pretty stale. However his name recognition is huge, and that seems to work in some cases. KJLH is the reason for his subpar ratings in L.A.. I think most black adult listeners know who Cliff Winston is, as far as janine, I heard that she was just one of Stevie's jumpoffs and forced into the morning show with Cliff. Steve was dominant in L.A. because KKBT was dominant overall. KJLH has a weak signal, unfocused programming, no marketing strategy whatsoever, and a small listener base. No show, syndicated or otherwise, could succeed under those conditions. They still haven't found their niche in the market, and under current management, I doubt that they ever will. They had hired Vinny Brown from WBLS last year, but he was gone in about a year. Steve Harvey in the morning, and playing Billy Idol in the afternoon. Had to do a double take on my radio dial yesterday. They need a proven PD, with some autonomy. They've become irrelevant.
@wdb2003 IMO KJLH is better off with no morning show. Here is how it should go down.
6:00am-10:00am Radio Free Music( R&B and Hip Hop)
10:00am-1:00pm Nautica De La Cruz(R&B some rap)
1:00pm-4:00pm Lon McQ (R&B)
4:00pm-8:00pm Mac & Amichie(R&B and Hip Hop)
8:00pm-12:00pm Kevin Nash(Slow R&B)
12:00am-4:30 Radio Free Music
4:30am-6:00am Front Page with Domonique Diprima after that do it all again.
6:00am-10:00am Radio Free Music( R&B and Hip Hop)
10:00am-1:00pm Nautica De La Cruz(R&B some rap)
1:00pm-4:00pm Lon McQ (R&B)
4:00pm-8:00pm Mac & Amichie(R&B and Hip Hop)
8:00pm-12:00pm Kevin Nash(Slow R&B)
12:00am-4:30 Radio Free Music
4:30am-6:00am Front Page with Domonique Diprima after that do it all again.
mandella said:
Steve has too many projects going (again) which is why he sounds dull in the morning. I have notice too. His newphew is the only funny one. Just like in 2001 when he decided to end his sitcom on The WB he was on KKBT local. He orignally wanted the show to end in May 2001 but I guess The WB wanted another season but only 13 episodes he commited too which ended in Febuary 2002. Now hes doing Family Fued, The Project on Centric and doing a comedy tour in southern cities with Kirk Franklin. I guess its true he likes doing television. But what other markets are getting is something new they never heard because Steve was exclusive to Los Angeles and Dallas (for a short time). Other markets were just use to Tom Joyner, Russ Parr, or Doug Banks and Tom's show has become very stale in recent years. As far as 102.3 goes they do need a PD. Ratings wont change but a more foucus balanced playlist would work. Urban AC is their true format and they can play Mainstream R&B artisit just needs to be researched no Hip Hop. As far as Cliff goes I heard hes not in Los Angeles anymore.
BJordan said:Thats fine people outgrow music and in this case he was getting older and didnt fit the stations demo. Just like Don Cornelius leaving Soul Train in 93. I dont think knowbody wants to hear Don announce Snoop Doggy Dog although it would be funny. The syndicated show is made for Urban AC radio not Mainstream Urban and sad enough nothing syndicated works in Los Angeles. From my knowlegde everybody had it on the Beat in the morning during Steve Harvey's tenture in the early 2000's. When you tell other people about Cliff and Janie they are like who? But another reason why his show doesnt work is because since its return it has aired on two low power stations compared to 100.3fm. When the show left everybody switch to Big Boy on Power. Its kinda annoying listening to a station while driving that fades in and out. Before KDAY's so called upgrade LOL :
Trust me wdb2003, I know this. KKBT was the bomb back in the 90's & Early 2000's. 93.5 KDAY is still low powered though. KJLH has tried to increase their signal in 2000 but it didn't work. IMO he didn't not fit on KDAY because he plays 30 year old R&B songs and for the rest of the day KDAY imaged it self as a hip hop station. yikes
Thats managements fault at KDAY which was a stupid idea to begin with putting on his show. With all the changes they made since their return to Los Angeles Urban AC, Mainstream Urban, and Rhythmic they should have just focus on music and local talent than airing syndicated shows.
@wdb2003 In 2004 KDAY sounded ok with it had the "Hip Hop Today & Back In The Day" mantra by 80's & 90's and current hits but it was at time billed as Rhythmic Contemporary because it was originally suppose to go up against Power 106 but ended up killing KKBT in process. In mid 2005 KDAY goes current full time to go up against "The Beat" and Power 106. IMO before KDAY's come back they very big on westcoast hip hop new school & old school but played 90's during their mixes. But back to when "The Beat" flip to Urban AC, according to a April 2006 post KDAY goes Urban Contemporary to on black listeners and cuts back on the currents to refocus on Old School hip hop with some 80's funk, freestyle, pop and dance product thrown in the balance with their 90's and Early 2000's Hip Hop/R&B. By the latter part of 2006 they go more current. In the summer of 2007 Theo Mizuhara become the PD and messed up. What I mean by that is because he turns KDAY into "The Beat" while still using KDAY by calling the "93.5 The Beat of KDAY". Yikes Need I go on about this? KDAY went back to it's roots with no jocks.
Need I go on about this? KDAY went back to it's roots with no jocks.Side Note: I miss KKBT more & more everyday then I listen to the stuff on my iPhone and I get the heck over it. I'm not picking on E-Dawg or anything. We can talk about how stations were in the 90's and Early 2000's but let's not complain about the songs. Let's just state our views, agree to disagree and reminisce. BTW if you have a tune in radio app you can this new called westcoast radio. It's an Urban Contemporary the slogan is "L.A's # 1 Hip Hop station". They play a decent array of the old school & new school Hip Hop & R&B. It's great R&B/Hip Hop station. Our second real Mainstream Urban radio station since L.A. has lost the one & only KKBT "The Beat" and Hot 92.3's HD-2 format.
Pretty amazing that Los Angeles does not have an Urban Contemporary station.
Pretty amazing that Los Angeles does not have an Urban Contemporary station.
We do but KJLH is still billed as Urban AC. KPWR Power 106 is close to Mainstream Urban despite being Rhythmic. KPWR Power 106 used to spin a decent balance of R&B/Hip Hop to go against "The Beat" quite a bit of R&B durning KKBT's tenure. I wish we had a full service urban contemporary but L.A.'s black population has dissapeared over the last few years. Like I said KJLH go jockless in the mornings IMO. KJLH should leave the rap music for weekends and play gospel from sunday mornings and end it at 12:00pm. Have a slow jam show with Kevin Nash and play artists such as L.S.G., Tank, Rome, Eric Benet and Dru Hill. During the day current R&B but limit their gold selection to 80's, 90's and Early 2000's. During 4-8pm Hip Hop & R&B but limit their gold hits to the 80's, 90's and early 2000's also.
We do but KJLH is still billed as Urban AC. KPWR Power 106 is close to Mainstream Urban despite being Rhythmic. KPWR Power 106 used to spin a decent balance of R&B/Hip Hop to go against "The Beat" quite a bit of R&B durning KKBT's tenure. I wish we had a full service urban contemporary but L.A.'s black population has dissapeared over the last few years. Like I said KJLH go jockless in the mornings IMO. KJLH should leave the rap music for weekends and play gospel from sunday mornings and end it at 12:00pm. Have a slow jam show with Kevin Nash and play artists such as L.S.G., Tank, Rome, Eric Benet and Dru Hill. During the day current R&B but limit their gold selection to 80's, 90's and Early 2000's. During 4-8pm Hip Hop & R&B but limit their gold hits to the 80's, 90's and early 2000's also.
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