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VALLEY RADIO NEEDS AN OVERHAUL ASAP!! - Nevermind, I've given up

I could probably count on the fingers of one hand the number of concerts I have attended in my life and, primarily, that is because only certain artists can replicate their recorded music in a live venue. Concerts today are filled with people who don't respect other patrons (similar to those at motion picture theaters). They yell, scream, jump up and down and wave their cell phones in the air and otherwise ruin what might have been a decent experience. I have a near-studio audio and video setup in my media room where I can enjoy my music free of all that.

I've been to more concerts in my life than I can possibly count, and much of the experience is in the atmosphere of people enjoying an artist and their music. The audience is part of the show.

While many of the shows I see are from artists you likely would not know (Carlos Vives, Enrique Iglesias, J. Balvin, Jonathan Moly, FGL, Gente de Zona, etc.) I recently went to a Pitbull concert and loved it so much I am seeing him again in August. The enthusiasm of the crowd, being able to jump up and get excited over the best songs or little additions to the lyrics and sharing with others is fun, not a distraction. And even though I could be the grandfather of many in the audience, the people around me thought it was really radical that I was liking their music and part of the sharing.

If you want to listen to music, buy the MP3s. If you want to be a part of it, go to a concert.
 
I do not listen to today's CHR because I can't stand the music and I have never been, even in my young days, a concert or club-goer. I did attend location events by DJ's back in the day because I found they were mostly good people and you could carry on a conversation with them as long as you didn't intrude upon their job at hand. They also tended to be very positive about their work and were more than willing to explain and guide you if you showed a genuine interest.

That's your story, and I'm not doubting that. However, you're saying that DJs today don't take requests, don't make appearances, or speak personally with their listeners. That's not true. Lots of radio stations in Phoenix and other places do live appearances almost every day, and they speak with anyone who walks up to them. The ones I know are very positive about their work, and are more than willing to explain what they do. Just because you don't see it happen now doesn't mean it's not happening. Lots of young people today are having the same experiences you had 50 years ago. I see it all the time. I can show you pictures or give you specific examples in your town.
 
I've been to more concerts in my life than I can possibly count, and much of the experience is in the atmosphere of people enjoying an artist and their music. The audience is part of the show.

While this is true at a football game (because the view is 9/10's of the show) it isn't true at a concert (where the sound is 9/10's of the show). At least IMHO. If I can't hear the music because of the drunks hopping up and down next to me it just isn't worth going. I might as well just buy the CD.

While many of the shows I see are from artists you likely would not know (Carlos Vives, Enrique Iglesias, J. Balvin, Jonathan Moly, FGL, Gente de Zona, etc.)

I do know Enrique Iglesias as well as his father Julio but I value Enrique more as an actor than a singer. I've always thought his dad was the better singer.

As far as Latin music in general I have always favored Linda Ronstadt (in English y en Espanol). One of the most beautiful voices ever (again, IMHO).
 
That's your story, and I'm not doubting that. However, you're saying that DJs today don't take requests, don't make appearances, or speak personally with their listeners. That's not true. Lots of radio stations in Phoenix and other places do live appearances almost every day, and they speak with anyone who walks up to them. The ones I know are very positive about their work, and are more than willing to explain what they do. Just because you don't see it happen now doesn't mean it's not happening. Lots of young people today are having the same experiences you had 50 years ago. I see it all the time. I can show you pictures or give you specific examples in your town.

I went back and re-read my posts and didn't see anywhere I said that today's DJ's don't do personal appearances or speak to their fans. The stations I listen to now are either out of my local market and/or automated (and largely Oldies) so naturally they wouldn't compare to the good old days of T-40.

My oldest used to participate in some of the morning zoo contests on KUPD every now and then but it was very sporadic (even though he actually won a couple of them). He didn't have the interest in radio that drove me and that is perhaps why he didn't take it further.

I raised five kids and none of them, as teens and young adults, had anywhere near the same experiences I did. And it wasn't only just me. My whole high school, all 2500 kids, used to show up in mass when a popular local DJ was on stage at the theater or hosting a record hop. Whenever Frank Kalil was at an event you couldn't get near the place and the most popular guy in Phoenix parades was Bill Heywood, for years. You don't hear about that kind of draw these days.

When my kids went through high school they never had a "DJ" type function nor do I ever remember seeing a flyer or hearing from one of their friends of a function. There are two of my youngest son's hockey team players who are concert fans and one of them actually plays in a formal band but their concerts tend to be with the 20-35 year old crowd and are not hosted by DJ's. The only "DJ function" I have attended since a friends 14th birthday party many many years ago was last March when my youngest son got married. I did not catch his name but his delivery suggested he could easily have been an on-air DJ.
 
I went back and re-read my posts and didn't see anywhere I said that today's DJ's don't do personal appearances or speak to their fans.

Here's what you said:

They had an immense listener base in the teen and 20's demo and were either talking with them off and on-air, doing requests, dedications and a live appearance virtually every Friday night or Saturday. It was the golden age of T40 radio and is virtually missing today. Sad.

How is something that still happens "virtually missing?" It's right there in Phoenix. I'm not talking about "DJ functions," I'm talking about on-air radio DJs doing live appearances at concert venues, malls, car dealerships, restaurants, and sporting events. The exact kinds of things you attended 50 years ago. Except now you're much older. If you still went to those things, you'd see what I'm talking about. It's a whole new generation of radio personalities, hosting a whole new generation of kids. Nothing has changed, except you're not there.
 
While this is true at a football game (because the view is 9/10's of the show) it isn't true at a concert (where the sound is 9/10's of the show). At least IMHO. If I can't hear the music because of the drunks hopping up and down next to me it just isn't worth going. I might as well just buy the CD.

I guess there are different attitudes. To me, 90% of the fun at a concert is the environment. That's sorta' why artists get the audience to sing the hook of finish verses. It's about being involved in the experience.

I do know Enrique Iglesias as well as his father Julio but I value Enrique more as an actor than a singer.

While Enrique has had some small movie parts and a secondary role in a TV comedy for one season, he has sold over 160 million records including one that holds the record for the longest stay at the top of any Billboard chart ever. He also has the 9th most viewed YouTube video ever and the highest Spanish language video in history.

I've always thought his dad was the better singer.

Enrique has been making #1 songs for 21 years. Julio basically lasted about 15 or so years making big hits, from about 1969 to 1985. In the later years of that period, he stopped being a big factor in Spanish and was mostly noted for his "comeback" duo with Willy Nelson.

His live shows were pretty boring; I had to ask his label and promoter to not invite me to them any more.

As far as Latin music in general I have always favored Linda Ronstadt (in English y en Espanol). One of the most beautiful voices ever (again, IMHO).

Linda Rondstadt, despite her heritage is a "pocha" (second or third generation with an informal knowledge of Spanish) who sings some of here granpa's songs when her English stuff is not selling. She is a very nice person, and my "better half" interviewed her on LA radio a number of times, starting in the Jerry Brown era when she started dabbling in Spanish language music a decade after "Different Drum".
 
Linda Ronstadt is from Tuscon. Did you ever meet her?

T-U-C-S-O-N but no. When she first hit the big time I was in Viet Nam and by the time I came back she was living in SoCal. Her family, originally from Sonora, Mexico was one of the first immigrant families with substantial members on both sides of the border with histories of both Mexican and German heritage. Her family has also supplied Tucson with a police chief and supervisor of the parks department and well as one of the largest hardware stores in the Southwest for many years. Like many original immigrant families hers were initially merchants (along with the Goldwaters).

I remember, as part of a youth band, doing traveling concerts at Christmastime and one of the houses we played for was her house. IIRC it was a very large property and you could not see into it from the street.
 
Here's what you said:



How is something that still happens "virtually missing?" It's right there in Phoenix. I'm not talking about "DJ functions," I'm talking about on-air radio DJs doing live appearances at concert venues, malls, car dealerships, restaurants, and sporting events. The exact kinds of things you attended 50 years ago. Except now you're much older. If you still went to those things, you'd see what I'm talking about. It's a whole new generation of radio personalities, hosting a whole new generation of kids. Nothing has changed, except you're not there.

You will note I said "virtually missing" and not "completely missing". It is a nit to pick, I agree, but still I don't see the involvement or interest from the kids today that used to exist.
 
I don't see the involvement or interest from the kids today that used to exist.

Of course you don't. You don't go to any of the places where they go, you don't listen to their music, and you're not in their social circle. If you were, you'd have a completely different experience.
 
I guess there are different attitudes. To me, 90% of the fun at a concert is the environment. That's sorta' why artists get the audience to sing the hook of finish verses. It's about being involved in the experience.

Different strokes for different folks. I was never a big fan of the mosh pits.

While Enrique has had some small movie parts and a secondary role in a TV comedy for one season, he has sold over 160 million records including one that holds the record for the longest stay at the top of any Billboard chart ever. He also has the 9th most viewed YouTube video ever and the highest Spanish language video in history.

I didn't say he wasn't a good singer but I just preferred his father. Obviously I don't belong to the majority.

Enrique has been making #1 songs for 21 years. Julio basically lasted about 15 or so years making big hits, from about 1969 to 1985. In the later years of that period, he stopped being a big factor in Spanish and was mostly noted for his "comeback" duo with Willy Nelson.

His live shows were pretty boring; I had to ask his label and promoter to not invite me to them any more.

Again, you and I obviously have different expectations for concerts. I go to hear John Denver and Don Williams. You may consider them boring. Different strokes.

Linda Rondstadt, despite her heritage is a "pocha" (second or third generation with an informal knowledge of Spanish) who sings some of here granpa's songs when her English stuff is not selling. She is a very nice person, and my "better half" interviewed her on LA radio a number of times, starting in the Jerry Brown era when she started dabbling in Spanish language music a decade after "Different Drum".

She is 3rd generation IIRC but that hasn't stopped her from recording in a half-dozen genres. Some of my Tucson friends used to hang out in local "Mexican" clubs she and her brothers would play and they were considered more folk and even Mexican folk music at that time. She "dabbled" in Spanish language songs even way back then as early Tucson pioneers were almost always from Mexico and Tucson had a great Mexican heritage.

I remember the two largest department stores when I was a kid were Steinfelds and Jacomes. Jacomes used to do business in both pesos and dollars and it also served as the monetary exchange for Mexican shoppers crossing the border. That was rather typical for Tucson merchants in those days.
 
Of course you don't. You don't go to any of the places where they go, you don't listen to their music, and you're not in their social circle. If you were, you'd have a completely different experience.

I'm not speaking from personal experience but rather what I see from my kids and their friends.
 
I'm not speaking from personal experience but rather what I see from my kids and their friends.

You're not in their social circle. You're their parent. It's a very different relationship. Do any of them ever go to concerts or festivals? If they do, those concerts are always hosted by local radio DJs. Just as they were 50 years ago. Do they ever go to Indian Plaza in Scottsdale? There are promotional events at the bars there hosted by local radio stations. The ones you say they never listen to. In fact, pretty much every bar or club in the area has a relationship with a local radio station. Unless they stay at home all the time, or live in a bubble, they encounter radio stations in some way at least once a week. They may not know it, they may not talk about it, but it's happening.
 
You're not in their social circle. You're their parent. It's a very different relationship. Do any of them ever go to concerts or festivals? If they do, those concerts are always hosted by local radio DJs. Just as they were 50 years ago. Do they ever go to Indian Plaza in Scottsdale? There are promotional events at the bars there hosted by local radio stations. The ones you say they never listen to. In fact, pretty much every bar or club in the area has a relationship with a local radio station. Unless they stay at home all the time, or live in a bubble, they encounter radio stations in some way at least once a week. They may not know it, they may not talk about it, but it's happening.

I don't want to beat this topic to death but, as a parent, I do keep a close watch on their activities - even the older ones. The youngest boy does go to some concerts but very rarely and mostly because he gets in free because his hockey buddy is in the band. The others never go. The oldest boy is the only one who listens to the radio but only during his car commute (of about 45 minutes). The middle boy listens to SXM and the others to their personal libraries or Pandora. AFAIK, none of them have ever been to Coachella or events of that type.
 
I don't want to beat this topic to death but, as a parent, I do keep a close watch on their activities - even the older ones.

All of that is fine. You know your kids and their friends. However, there are a whole lot of OTHER people who you don't know, who do things you don't know about, who listen to radio stations you or your kids have never tried, and who know DJs you or your kids have never met. Their experiences are "virtually missing" because you don't know about them. Not because they don't exist.
 
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You're not in their social circle. You're their parent. It's a very different relationship. Do any of them ever go to concerts or festivals? If they do, those concerts are always hosted by local radio DJs. Just as they were 50 years ago. Do they ever go to Indian Plaza in Scottsdale? There are promotional events at the bars there hosted by local radio stations. The ones you say they never listen to. In fact, pretty much every bar or club in the area has a relationship with a local radio station. Unless they stay at home all the time, or live in a bubble, they encounter radio stations in some way at least once a week. They may not know it, they may not talk about it, but it's happening.

Actually, as a non-parent who's over *cough,cough*...it's not uncommon to see parents taking their kids to see Social Distortion (they have a HUGE multi-generation fan base) and several non-radio-played punk bands from the 70's/80's who are still touring as de facto "cover" bands, i.e., only one or two original members. And then you have bands like OFF!, whose combined age makes them older than the Rolling Stones, and even THEY get parents taking their kids -- dads taking their kids to see OFF! because it's like a 'once in a lifetime chance' to see the guy from Circle Jerks.

Furthermore, thanks to certain unnamed stations that can't let go of "alt 90's gold" and move on to more newer music, some of those social circles will be overlapping pretty soon. Ever been to some of those concerts at the casinos? They're as multi-generational as you can get. I'm afraid to see Psychedelic Furs next time they play here because I might be the youngest one there.
 
T-U-C-S-O-N but no. When she first hit the big time I was in Viet Nam and by the time I came back she was living in SoCal. Her family, originally from Sonora, Mexico was one of the first immigrant families with substantial members on both sides of the border with histories of both Mexican and German heritage. Her family has also supplied Tucson with a police chief and supervisor of the parks department and well as one of the largest hardware stores in the Southwest for many years. Like many original immigrant families hers were initially merchants (along with the Goldwaters).

I remember, as part of a youth band, doing traveling concerts at Christmastime and one of the houses we played for was her house. IIRC it was a very large property and you could not see into it from the street.

Cool!

I apologize for the spelling. I lived in Phoenix for 14 years.:(

In 1977 (while in high school) I worked at a hotel near Wheeling,WV where she was staying before her concert. She put on fresh lipstick, took out a cigarette, kissed the pack and gave it to my friend/boss. The next time I saw my old friend was 1999. He said that he still kept the cigarette pack in a safe place.
 
OK! I originally retired from this and all radio sites some time ago because I found it pointless to continue publicly posting about the same crap when it will not lead to any other result other than receiving responses.

HOWEVER!

I have to say something about this particular post. I will try and keep it extremely simple.

Taking more risks, having broad playlists / more open-mindedness or being more innovative with musical playlists, etc. will NEVER work in mainstream radio. Why? Because the majority of people in mainstream society are too simple minded to handle such a thing, and most people create businesses to profit off of the majority simple minded folks who all follow what everyone else says is "cool." They are very easy to target and keep hooked for a variety of reasons.

People always like to use business reasoning to explain why things are as they are with radio and marketing, but there is also a counterintuitive, but valid psychological reason behind why things are the way they are... However, to conserve time, I will not get into that. Just look at everything from politics to radio to... almost anything that has to do with sales or profit. The masses with simple minds are an easy target to make money off of, plain and simple.
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I've come to the final conclusion that anyone who is not happy with current state of radio has pretty much three choices:

1. Stop listening.
2. Get used to it.
3. Settle.

As far as Settling goes, I have a few friends who have settled in my town. I found out when a lot of people expressed their hate for a certain type of music, but the ONLY station(s) they had preset in their car were 50% (or some high percentage of) the music they claimed to hate - because that was the closest they could come to something they liked. Therefore, the longer they listen, the more they get used to it and the more they kept tuning in, the more it will be believed that they truly do enjoy and want to listen to that station. I know a lot of people in towns without certain formats settle with another format that is as close as possible to the format they desire most, and needless to say, they contribute to the ratings to the station they settle for. A good example of this is my female friend who turned to presetting an urban station because that was the closest to pop she thought she could get, although, she hated rap.

Me, personally, I've pretty much learned to accept things for what they are. It took a while and some convincing from certain folks, but the town I moved to in the east coast was pretty much what finally forced me to accept things for what they are now in radio. Yes, as someone who still has some interest in radio, I've settled to listening to the urbans and top 40's and various styles of hot ac's available where I am from time to time since it is the quickest thing to tune into in the car. I am guilty of being a settler who contributes ratings to stations I don't really care for, like many of my coworkers, friends, family, etc. However, I spend a majority of my time now getting my music from other sources.

As far as DJ'ing goes, well.... that's when I'm forced to cater to the small minded, unoriginal majority of mainstream society who follow what everyone else says is supposed to be cool, which, in turn, forces me to also have to unfortunately follow and keep up to a degree. As a result, I'm also forced to turn around and feed the audience the same songs that we've been conditioned to accept and like.

Maybe this is just an American thing because I see many other countries are (often times) way more diverse with their radio and musical knowledge.



I used to dream about working or doing radio, but nowadays, at this point, I'd rather pursue a degree in Psychology instead.

That's all I have to say.
Enjoy your day!
 
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Just thought about the fact that most people who settle for a particular format / radio station because it's the closest they can get to their desired format in a town that lacks certain formats, they still end up settling for a station that targets the demographic of the listener who is settling for that station, so I guess it still works for radio and advertisers either way. Still doesn't change my overall opinion about radio, but.... I guess whatever works, works.
 
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