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VHF Dominiated Cities

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e-dawg

New York, Los Angeles, Salt Lake City (2,4,5,7,9,11,13)
Seattle, (4,5,7,9,11,13)
San Francisco, (2,4,5,7,9,11)
Denver, Boise (2,4,6,7,9,12)
Honolulu, Alberquerque(2,4,5,9,11,13)
Anchorage (2,4,5,7,11,13)
Chicago (2,5,7,9,11)
Minneapolis, St. Louis (2,4,5,9,11)
Portland, Vancouver (2,6,8,10,12)
San Diego (3,6,8,10,12)
Las Vegas (3,5,8,10,13)
Phoenix (3,5,8,10,12)
Tucson (4,6,9,11,13)
Miami, (2,4,6,7,10)
Dallas (2,4,5,8,11,13)
 
Just want to make a small correction: Albuquerque has a Channel 7, not a Channel 9.
 
genius said:
Just want to make a small correction: Albuquerque has a Channel 7, not a Channel 9.
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I wouldn't normally nitpick, but since I use to work at KOAT... ;)
 
e-dawg said:
New York, Los Angeles, Salt Lake City (2,4,5,7,9,11,13)
Seattle, (4,5,7,9,11,13)
San Francisco, (2,4,5,7,9,11)
Denver, Boise (2,4,6,7,9,12)
Honolulu(2,4,5,9,11,13)
Anchorage, Alberquerque (2,4,5,7,11,13)
Chicago (2,5,7,9,11)
Minneapolis, St. Louis (2,4,5,9,11)
Portland, Vancouver (2,6,8,10,12)
San Diego (3,6,8,10,12)
Las Vegas (3,5,8,10,13)
Phoenix (3,5,8,10,12)
Tucson (4,6,9,11,13)
Miami, (2,4,6,7,10)
Dallas (2,4,5,8,11,13)
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I have a question about VHF channels...each VHF channel is supposedly separated by a non-used channel to keep the signals from each channel from interfering with each other. Some markets have chs. 4 and 5. Why don't they interfere with each other?
 
If you count the entire Boston/Worcester DMA: 2,4,5,7,9 (Manchester, NH),11 (Durham, NH).

By the way, VHF is going to become less important once digital TV is your only option.

As for channels 4 and 5, there's space between the two if you look at a chart of frequencies.
 
Desertv, the reason why channels 4 & 5 can exist next to each other in the same market is due to spacing. Technically, there's an unused channel between channels 4 & 5 (if you have cable with a slide dial TV adjuster, you'll see that channel 1 occupies that space).

Also, there's a great separation between channels 6 & 7 so technically, a market can operate a channel 6 & 7 in the same market, IIRC. Although, I've never seen it actually happen in the markets I've visited.
 
Gaps between channels 4 & 5 and 6 & 7

Apollo7979 said:
Technically, there's an unused channel between channels 4 & 5 (if you have cable with a slide dial TV adjuster, you'll see that channel 1 occupies that space).
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To clarify, that's cable channel 1 on HRC and IRC carriers, not broadcast channel 1, which was at a frequency below channel 2, but is no longer used for television. Channel 4 occupies the 66-72 MHz spectrum and channel 5 occupies the 76-82 MHz spectrum. Incidently, channel 6 occupies 82-88 MHz, which overlaps the FM band's 87.9 MHz.

See web page, What Became of TV Channel 1? (URL: http://members.aol.com/jeff560/tvch1.html).

Apollo7979 said:
Also, there's a great separation between channels 6 & 7 so technically, a market can operate a channel 6 & 7 in the same market, IIRC. Although, I've never seen it actually happen in the markets I've visited.
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Then you've never been to Denver, where KRMA 6 and KMGH 7 operate, or Miami, where WTVJ 6 and WSVN 7 operate. Channel 6 is low-band VHF and occupies the 82-86 MHz spectrum, while channel 7 is high-band VHF and occupies the 174-180 MHz spectrum. There are no interference issues.

See web page, Allocation of Radio Spectrum in the United States (URL: http://www.jneuhaus.com/fccindex/spectrum.html).
 
genius said:
Just want to make a small correction: Albuquerque has a Channel 7, not a Channel 9.
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Actually, it has both 7 *and* 9, but 9 is a digital-only operation. (a second channel for KNME)
 
Re: Gaps between channels 4 & 5 and 6 & 7

dhett said:
Apollo7979 said:
...there's a great separation between channels 6 & 7 so technically, a market can operate a channel 6 & 7 in the same market, IIRC. Although, I've never seen it actually happen in the markets I've visited.
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Then you've never been to Denver, where KRMA 6 and KMGH 7 operate, or Miami, where WTVJ 6 and WSVN 7 operate.
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Or Boise, where KIVI 6 and KTVB 7 operate.
 
e-dawg said:
New York, Los Angeles, Salt Lake City (2,4,5,7,9,11,13)
Seattle, (4,5,7,9,11,13)
San Francisco, (2,4,5,7,9,11)
Denver, Boise (2,4,6,7,9,12)
Honolulu, Alberquerque(2,4,5,9,11,13)
Anchorage (2,4,5,7,11,13)
Chicago (2,5,7,9,11)
Minneapolis, St. Louis (2,4,5,9,11)
Portland, Vancouver (2,6,8,10,12)
San Diego (3,6,8,10,12)
Las Vegas (3,5,8,10,13)
Phoenix (3,5,8,10,12)
Tucson (4,6,9,11,13)
Miami, (2,4,6,7,10)
Dallas (2,4,5,8,11,13)
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You forgot Fairbanks (2,4,7,9,11,13) and El Paso (2,4,5,7,9,11,13).
 
only1moore said:
You forgot Fairbanks (2,4,7,9,11,13) and El Paso (2,4,5,7,9,11,13).
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Actually, Fairbanks ch. 13 is a LPTV Class A station, albeit a strong one, broadcasting at the max 3 kW that a VHF LPTV station is allowed to have. I think he was only counting full-service stations. Otherwise, one could add several small Arizona communities with 5 or 6 VHF LPTV translators.

Still, point taken - Fairbanks has 5 full-service VHF stations (2,4,7,9,11).

El Paso/Juarez have the same setup as San Diego/Tijuana. Except that one of the Tijuana VHF stations is an American network affiliate (XETV Fox 6).
 
dhett said:
Actually, Fairbanks ch. 13 is a LPTV Class A station, albeit a strong one, broadcasting at the max 3 kW that a VHF LPTV station is allowed to have. I think he was only counting full-service stations. Otherwise, one could add several small Arizona communities with 5 or 6 VHF LPTV translators.

Still, point taken - Fairbanks has 5 full-service VHF stations (2,4,7,9,11).
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Channel 13 in Fairbanks has been operating as a full power station since March 2004 under an STA (3.4 kW at 277 meters). Compare to full power channel 11, which is 50 kW at -15 meters, and channel 13 has favorable coverage of the area. It is also the CBS affiliate and originates local news.

The owner has had an application in for years to upgrade the license, but there are a few mutually exclusive apps and the FCC has not acted on it.
 
Let's not forget Duluth, MN. Until 1999, the only "real" stations in the market were KDLH (CBS) on 3, KBJR (NBC) on 6, WDSE (PBS) on 8, and WDIO (ABC) on 10. Hence people would say "I get 3, 6, 8 and 10" meaning they don't have cable. On September 1, 1999, KQDS-TV launched on 21 with FOX programming, and that broke the very long VHF tradition. If you want to nitpick, Duluth had had TBN translator K58CM on the air for some time, and prior to affiliating with FOX and launching as KQDS, there was a "KNLD" on 21, but they were relatively low-power, only operated a few hours each day, and nobody really watched them (it was fascinating, however, around '96 or '97 seeing an odd, weak signal on 21 with Shop at Home and wondering if you might be receiving it directly from a satellite - the joys of childhood). There was also an eight-channel "wireless cable" system using low-power transmitters on standard UHF TV channels, but that doesn't really count either.
 
only1moore said:
e-dawg said:
New York, Los Angeles, Salt Lake City (2,4,5,7,9,11,13)
Seattle, (4,5,7,9,11,13)
San Francisco, (2,4,5,7,9,11)
Denver, Boise (2,4,6,7,9,12)
Honolulu, Alberquerque(2,4,5,9,11,13)
Anchorage (2,4,5,7,11,13)
Chicago (2,5,7,9,11)
Minneapolis, St. Louis (2,4,5,9,11)
Portland, Vancouver (2,6,8,10,12)
San Diego (3,6,8,10,12)
Las Vegas (3,5,8,10,13)
Phoenix (3,5,8,10,12)
Tucson (4,6,9,11,13)
Miami, (2,4,6,7,10)
Dallas (2,4,5,8,11,13)
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You forgot Fairbanks (2,4,7,9,11,13) and El Paso (2,4,5,7,9,11,13).
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There's San Antonio (2,4,5,9,12) and Reno (2,4,5,8,11) too!
 
Indianapolis:
4 (CW), 6 (ABC), 8 (CBS), 13 (NBC)
PBS, MyNet, FOX, TBN, and PAX Ion fill the UHF band in Indy.
 
Channels 6/7; VHF in the Pacific Northwest

azumanga said:
dhett said:
Apollo7979 said:
...there's a great separation between channels 6 & 7 so technically, a market can operate a channel 6 & 7 in the same market, IIRC. Although, I've never seen it actually happen in the markets I've visited.
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Then you've never been to Denver, where KRMA 6 and KMGH 7 operate, or Miami, where WTVJ 6 and WSVN 7 operate.
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Or Boise, where KIVI 6 and KTVB 7 operate.
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There're also:
Omaha: WOWT 6, KETV 7
Winnipeg: CBWT 6, CKY 7

Seattle, (4,5,7,9,11,13)
Portland, Vancouver (2,6,8,10,12)
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This reminds me of something I've always wondered about: Why was VHF 3 never assigned in the Pacific Northwest?

They could've either:
a) assigned VHF 2 to Seattle, and VHF 3 to the other 2 markets, so that Seattle/Tacoma gets 7 VHF channels like LA, and Portland and Vancouver/Victoria BC/Bellingham WA get 3/6/8/10/12;

or b) assigned VHF 3 to Seattle, and VHF 2 and 4 to the other 2 markets, so that all 3 markets get 6 VHF channels each.
 
Hampton Roads, Virginia

CBS (3)
Independent (4)
NBC (10)
ABC (13)

True WSKY-TV 4 is based out of nearby North Carolina but it is in the Norfolk DMA and its available on all the cable systems in the region and on the local packages on both Direct TV and Dish Network. And besides WSKY call themselves "channel 4 Hampton Roads" as if North Carolina doesn't exist.
 
Actually, Hampton Roads (technically the Norfolk-Portsmouth-Newport News DMA) now has five VHF signals, thanks to UNC-TV moving WUND-TV, channel 2's city of license from Columbia, NC (in the Greenville-New Bern-Jacksonville market) across the Albemerle Sound to Edenton, NC to get must carry in Hampton Roads. So, at least until Feb 17th, the line up is...

2 WUND (PBS), Edenton, NC
3 WTKR (CBS), Norfolk, VA
4 WSKY (Ind), Manteo, NC
10 WAVY (NBC), Portsmouth, VA
13 WVEC (ABC), Hampton, VA

Before the WUND city of license change, Greenville-New Bern-Jacksonville boasted quite a number of VHF signals (though only 7,9 and 12 offer full market coverage of this vast coastal region)

2 WUND (PBS), Columbia, NC
7 WITN (NBC), Washington, NC
8 WFXI (Fox), Morehead City, NC
9 WNCT(CBS), Greenville, NC
12 WCTI (ABC), New Bern, NC
 
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