Viable Solution For The Mediabase CHR/Pop panel

[justpassingthough]

Who cares? The charts are overrated. Any PD that programs solely based on what the numbers say on a national level is a PD that I would love to compete against. Program for your market, not what the country as a whole is doing.

That is what I've been saying all along. Who cares if Adele is a hit in Peoria, if you program a CHR in Portland. Not every song that charts well is going to be a hit in every market.

 

[atlantaboy]

Who cares? The charts are overrated. Any PD that programs solely based on what the numbers say on a national level is a PD that I would love to compete against. Program for your market, not what the country as a whole is doing.

That is what I've been saying all along. Who cares if Adele is a hit in Peoria, if you program a CHR in Portland. Not every song that charts well is going to be a hit in every market.

Not sure why people keep using this argument - it's irrelevant - almost every pop/rhythmic CHR in the country has ANOTHER mainstream CHR in the same market - in other words, almost every CHR skipping Adele or Pink has another CHR in the SAME MARKET playing Adele and Pink

 

[CHRles]

I don't think there are any CHRs these days skipping out on Adele. Even some Rhythmics are finding success with it, such as Wild 94.9 San Francisco, 101.5 Jamz Phoenix and Wild 105.7 Atlanta.

 

[justpassingthough]

Who cares? The charts are overrated. Any PD that programs solely based on what the numbers say on a national level is a PD that I would love to compete against. Program for your market, not what the country as a whole is doing.

That is what I've been saying all along. Who cares if Adele is a hit in Peoria, if you program a CHR in Portland. Not every song that charts well is going to be a hit in every market.

Not sure why people keep using this argument - it's irrelevant - almost every pop/rhythmic CHR in the country has ANOTHER mainstream CHR in the same market - in other words, almost every CHR skipping Adele or Pink has another CHR in the SAME MARKET playing Adele and Pink

Fine. Every CHR in the country, including those that have a competitor in the market, should play exactly the same songs and same playlists and radio should be homogenous as possible, so every song rises and falls up the charts at the same rate.

I know you are trying to attain diversity amongst playlists at CHR stations, but it comes at the expensive of your argument. Some CHRs will play Adele, some won't. That is how a mainstream CHR chart is compiled. If we start moving stations to the rhythmic panel or the Hot AC panel based upon how you and others think they should be ranked, then we will end up with homogenous radio stations that all play the exact same 40 songs with the same amount of spins each week.

Again, in your quest to see more rock product at CHR, you are missing the bigger picture. If stations don't add Adele or Pink or some markets skip them entirely, then we actually get an accurate representation of 'mainstream' current hits, instead of a forced playlist where stations add artists just because the chart tells them they're popular on other stations or in other markets.

 

[atlantaboy]

Some CHRs will play Adele, some won't. That is how a mainstream CHR chart is compiled.

Some CHRs will play RIhanna, and some won't - that is how a mainstream CHR chart is compiled - so let's move all the stations classfied as "Hot AC" (because they don't play Rihanna and Kesha) back to the CHR panel, since you want more "diversity" on the pop playlist, and you don't want stations all playing the same artists

What you're essentially doing is making an argument for moving the entire Rhythmic and Hot AC panels back to the pop panel (because every station has the right to exclude whatever artists aren't testing well for their target demo) - and using these guidelines, there are even Alternative stations, and Urbans, that are current-focused enough that they'd also be reporting to the pop panel

Isn't this what you want? Stations to focus on the current "hits" that test well with their target demo, completely disregarding the pop chart, resulting in playlists that aren't "forced?"

 

[atlantaboy]

To put it another way, what you're saying shouldn't be done is already being done...

Stations that are current-based that don't play Britney, Rihanna, and Kesha are classified as Hot AC, no matter what - so consequently, stations that are current-based that don't play Adele and Pink should be classified as Rhythmic, no matter what

If you're saying pop stations should have a choice whether or not to play Pink and Adele, then they should also have a choice whether or not to play Britney, Rihanna, and Kesha - so what you're basically doing is recreating the CHR situation in the 80s, when Hot AC and Rhythmic were not separate formats

 

[XCountry285]

this a mess this is why ROCK MUST RETURN!

 

[only1moore]

I don't think there are any CHRs these days skipping out on Adele. Even some Rhythmics are finding success with it, such as Wild 94.9 San Francisco, 101.5 Jamz Phoenix and Wild 105.7 Atlanta.

CHRles is right. "Rolling In The Deep" is charting at Rhythmic, where it debuted at number 35 on BDS' Rhythmic chart and at number 40 on Mediabase's Rhythmic chart as of this posting. By contrast, the chart has become a blessing for not only Adele, but also for Britney Spears and Katy Perry, who are scoring big hits on that chart, which is unheard of.

 

[carolinaradio]

They might be playing the rhythmic remix.

 

[atlantaboy]

^Yeah, there's a dance mix of Rolling In The Deep

 

[justpassingthough]

To put it another way, what you're saying shouldn't be done is already being done...

Stations that are current-based that don't play Britney, Rihanna, and Kesha are classified as Hot AC, no matter what - so consequently, stations that are current-based that don't play Adele and Pink should be classified as Rhythmic, no matter what

If you're saying pop stations should have a choice whether or not to play Pink and Adele, then they should also have a choice whether or not to play Britney, Rihanna, and Kesha - so what you're basically doing is recreating the CHR situation in the 80s, when Hot AC and Rhythmic were not separate formats

I don't have a problem with moving stations to the mainstream CHR panel, from Hot AC or Rhythmic or Alternative, etc, as long as it is appropriate. If they play enough current hits and aren't reliant upon recurrent or gold records, then what is the harm in diversifying the format and potentially exposing people to new kinds of music?

As I've argued before, though, stations like KAMP, while obviously heavy on rhythmic product, are still presented as CHR stations. Their imaging, their marketing and the like all scream mainstream CHR- and this wouldn't apply to many of the stations that may fall into the above category. CHR is about more than just blindly following the charts- as successful stations chase listeners who fit the 'lifestyle'. The same is true for successful stations in any format, though, and would cause even current based alternatives or current based Hot ACs or current based rhythmics from migrating over to the CHR panel.

 

[atlantaboy]

To put it another way, what you're saying shouldn't be done is already being done...

Stations that are current-based that don't play Britney, Rihanna, and Kesha are classified as Hot AC, no matter what - so consequently, stations that are current-based that don't play Adele and Pink should be classified as Rhythmic, no matter what

If you're saying pop stations should have a choice whether or not to play Pink and Adele, then they should also have a choice whether or not to play Britney, Rihanna, and Kesha - so what you're basically doing is recreating the CHR situation in the 80s, when Hot AC and Rhythmic were not separate formats

I don't have a problem with moving stations to the mainstream CHR panel, from Hot AC or Rhythmic or Alternative, etc, as long as it is appropriate. If they play enough current hits and aren't reliant upon recurrent or gold records, then what is the harm in diversifying the format and potentially exposing people to new kinds of music?

As I've argued before, though, stations like KAMP, while obviously heavy on rhythmic product, are still presented as CHR stations. Their imaging, their marketing and the like all scream mainstream CHR- and this wouldn't apply to many of the stations that may fall into the above category. CHR is about more than just blindly following the charts- as successful stations chase listeners who fit the 'lifestyle'. The same is true for successful stations in any format, though, and would cause even current based alternatives or current based Hot ACs or current based rhythmics from migrating over to the CHR panel.

I guess I agree with what you're saying - but it would mean moving at least half the Hot AC stations back to the CHR panel (if not more) and probably at least half the Rhythmic stations too (plus some Urbans and Alternatives)

If the CHR chart should be a compilation of current-based playlists, rather than a source for programming stations, you might as well add the entire County panel to the CHR format too.

In any case, the industry doesn't agree with what you're posting - if stations deviate too far from the CHR charts, they're moved to the appropriate panel - that goes for stations not playing Britney, Kesha, and GaGa, and it also goes for stations not playing Adele and Pink - in the industry we're dealing with, of course stations should have the choice to omit certain artists that don't appeal to their listeners - but if they only omit rap/R&B/dance, they're moved to the Hot AC panel, and if they only omit pop/rock, they're moved to the Rhythmic panel - that's the way it's been since 1994 anyway (and since 1991 with Billboard)

 

[only1moore]

^Yeah, there's a dance mix of Rolling In The Deep

They might be playing the rhythmic remix.

Not at KXJM/Portland. They're playing the original version.