Vida Unida to replace NGEN radio on 91.7FM

[BamaTX]

I know, that’s who I’m talking about too. Guevara is a business man. And sometimes you have to do what ever it takes to make a business successful.

So are you saying his church is a business?

So let me understand you a little, so if a church would happen to own a grocery store? They shouldn’t sell beer, alcohol, cigarettes? Because it goes away from their religious teachings? Come on sir it is just a business.

Beer? Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about. Take another listen to their sponsors.

In that case what would you say about those singers that go to church preach in church end go to bars nightclubs and Saenz secular music because it is your job?

"See a doctor. You may be bipolar"

 

[BamaTX]

Bonneville International is a business owned by the Mormon Church.

I always found it odd that they owned stations in San Francisco. It is hard to imagine Mormons and the LGBT community/businesses seeing eye to eye.

 

[davideduardo]

So are you saying his church is a business?

No. The way I read the post is that the station is a business owned by the church. That is not particularly unusual; many religious organizations have businesses and investments that produce income that goes to assist the funding of the church.

Beer? Yeah, that's not what I'm talking about. Take another listen to their sponsors.

Every religious owned business can set its own standards.

"See a doctor. You may be bipolar"

OK, switching to moderator mode... lets try to avoid the snarky comebacks when an issue is controversial or when one has polarizing "sides".

 

[Ryan Williams]

I always found it odd that they owned stations in San Francisco. It is hard to imagine Mormons and the LGBT community/businesses seeing eye to eye.

I don't think there is as much conflict as you might guess. Most advertising on radio in a market the size of SF are not small pop and pop businesses in the Castro.

I do wonder how they are navigating the tidal waves of sports betting advertising on their sports stations in Phoenix/Seattle/Sacramento/Denver and now SLC though.

 

[BamaTX]

No. The way I read the post is that the station is a business owned by the church. That is not particularly unusual; many religious organizations have businesses and investments that produce income that goes to assist the funding of the church.

And how many church owned businesses actively sell or promote things that go against their fundamental Christian beliefs?

My point here is that we should stop pretending like these operators are "church" preachers with businesses on the side. It has become quite apparent that for a few pastors, church is a side hustle.

Every religious owned business can set its own standards.

So we can't be critical of any church "operator" that preaches one thing but does the exact opposite with the church assets?

OK, switching to moderator mode... lets try to avoid the snarky comebacks when an issue is controversial or when one has polarizing "sides".

So you take issue with me insulting a hypothetical person that doesn't even exist, but are OK with this being directed at an actual poster? Common now.

 

[Ryan Williams]

My point here is that we should stop pretending like these operators are "church" preachers with businesses on the side. It has become quite apparent that for a few pastors, church is a side hustle.

There are literally hundreds of thousands of churches in the US. Relatively few have any ownership, even tangentially, of radio stations.

Out of that group I'd say many of them do a great job follow the rules. I am thinking about stations like KWVE. Excellent radio station all around.

Don't let a handful in the same geographic area mislead you to thinking it is "everybody". Because it definitely is not.

So we can't be critical of any church "operator" that preaches one thing but does the exact opposite with the church assets?

I completely agree with you. Criticism of a church that preaches against something and then uses its assets, such a radio station to then promote that same thing is fair game.

It's also gross and I think there is a place for that kind of thing to be called out, with specific details. I'm not sure that has happened here. So far it has just been kind of overly-broad, non-specific claims of hypocrisy that also implicated "thousands" unrelated churches and radio stations.

 

[davideduardo]

And how many church owned businesses actively sell or promote things that go against their fundamental Christian beliefs?

Very, very few. They all seem to be located in Texas, too.

My point here is that we should stop pretending like these operators are "church" preachers with businesses on the side. It has become quite apparent that for a few pastors, church is a side hustle.

As another poster stated, out of the tens of thousands of churches in the US, few own radio stations. And fewer still abuse that ownership. What you have in those cases is a bad preacher and a church that does not restrain or control its leader.

So we can't be critical of any church "operator" that preaches one thing but does the exact opposite with the church assets?

Sure, but there are very very few of those. And they should be controlled but that has to begin with the church's own followers.

 

[BamaTX]

There are literally hundreds of thousands of churches in the US. Relatively few have any ownership, even tangentially, of radio stations.

Doesn't change one bit what I said about the massive issue with translator operators (or for that matter religious institutions that take advantage of uneducated, gullible cretins who are emotionally deficient). There's too much going on (both inside and outside of radio) for you to say there isn't a pattern.

Just look at how many people call La Luz Del Mundo a cult. The leader is alleged to have a network of tunnels and rooms under his megachurch in Mexico where he is accused of awful crimes. Hearsay, but i've been told that the massive church on the Eastex Fwy was built with free "volunteer" labor. How accurate that rumor is, I'm not sure. But it wouldn't surprise me if it is true. (Coincidentally, that palace's exterior looks more like a high end strip club than a church..but that's just an opinion).

Out of that group I'd say many of them do a great job follow the rules. I am thinking about stations like KWVE. Excellent radio station all around.

Well in Houston, we have questionable translator owners. Several of us have pointed it out.

Don't let a handful in the same geographic area mislead you to thinking it is "everybody". Because it definitely is not.

Didn't say everyone. But there is a disturbing pattern of how churches use media to swindle the poor and uneducated out of their money...tax free! If you'd like, we can continue this conversation on the off-topic board.

It's also gross and I think there is a place for that kind of thing to be called out, with specific details. I'm not sure that has happened here. So far it has just been kind of overly-broad, non-specific claims of hypocrisy that also implicated "thousands" unrelated churches and radio stations.

Who else has been directly implicated? I know I've brought up several mega church pastors in the past. Seems like all of them would rather compete for viewers/listeners than work together for a common goal (you know, like "Christianity" and stuff!).

Also, several people have aired their grevances on this board in regards to the way some of the local translators are being operated.

 

[radioislife2020]

Tony was on the air at on of Puerto Rico's most important non-San Juan stations, Cosmos, before he went to the mainland.

The KAMA mistake was not due to the announcer being Puerto Rican... it was not a good show on a station that was not very good at the time.

You say the stations was not very good at the time yet Kama hasn’t seen a 2 share in years

Doesn't change one bit what I said about the massive issue with translator operators (or for that matter religious institutions that take advantage of uneducated, gullible cretins who are emotionally deficient). There's too much going on (both inside and outside of radio) for you to say there isn't a pattern.

Just look at how many people call La Luz Del Mundo a cult. The leader is alleged to have a network of tunnels and rooms under his megachurch in Mexico where he is accused of awful crimes. Hearsay, but i've been told that the massive church on the Eastex Fwy was built with free "volunteer" labor. How accurate that rumor is, I'm not sure. But it wouldn't surprise me if it is true. (Coincidentally, that palace's exterior looks more like a high end strip club than a church..but that's just an opinion).


Well in Houston, we have questionable translator owners. Several of us have pointed it out.

Didn't say everyone. But there is a disturbing pattern of how churches use media to swindle the poor and uneducated out of their money...tax free! If you'd like, we can continue this conversation on the off-topic board.

Who else has been directly implicated? I know I've brought up several mega church pastors in the past. Seems like all of them would rather compete for viewers/listeners than work together for a common goal (you know, like "Christianity" and stuff!).

Also, several people have aired their grevances on this board in regards to the way some of the local translators are being operated.

Well then complain to the FCC .. you sound like a old lady just b@#ing

 

[BamaTX]

Well then complain to the FCC ..

Why would I complain to the FCC about shady churches allegedly abusing their tax-free status to fill their pockets?

you sound like a old lady just b@#ing

Also, is this really necessary? I don't know why you're being hostile. Who pissed in your Cheerios? If you can't behave, then maybe this isn't the board for you.

 

[Mediafrog+]

Mods: Once again we have a discussion that has run way off the rails. Perhaps we should get back to the new Vida Unida format or close the thread?😤😫

 

[radioislife2020]

The station sounds Great! Talents sound good and they have learned to package calls very well. Will be great to see if Hope media continues to pay for numbers for the format and if they show up.

 

[davideduardo]

You say the stations was not very good at the time yet Kama hasn’t seen a 2 share in years

Look at its 18-49 and 25-54.

 

[davideduardo]

Didn't say everyone. But there is a disturbing pattern of how churches use media to swindle the poor and uneducated out of their money...tax free!

Even a business that is "for profit" that does not make a profit does not pay taxes. Non-profits are set up so that any funds in excess of expenses stay in the enterprise and can not be distributed as there are no shareholder and investors.

In that, a religious station or church is not different than, let's say, a PBS station. In NYC, the PBS manager has a very high six-figure salary, but nobody gets a "share" of any excess cash on hand in a given year.

 

[b-turner]

Keep in mind a non-profit owning a commercial business that turns a profit usually pays taxes on it's income because it is not a part of the income that is tax exempt. If I had a church and owned a FM that was a commercial station and turned $500,000 in profit as a commercial enterprise, the IRS would deem that profit taxable income.

 

[Ryan Williams]

Mods: Once again we have a discussion that has run way off the rails. Perhaps we should get back to the new Vida Unida format or close the thread?😤😫

Agreed. I'm not going to continuing the non-relevant conversation in this thread past this post. It's just not productive.

I think we have all seen abuses of translators and other full-power facilities by bad actors, of the religious and non-religious stripe.

Houston has historically been one of the worst markets for this kind of activity and I think it has only gotten worse since the field office was closed down a number of years ago.

 

[davideduardo]

Keep in mind a non-profit owning a commercial business that turns a profit usually pays taxes on it's income because it is not a part of the income that is tax exempt. If I had a church and owned a FM that was a commercial station and turned $500,000 in profit as a commercial enterprise, the IRS would deem that profit taxable income.

Exactly. A good example would be the Bonneville stations owned by the Later Day Saints.

 

[BamaTX]

Even a business that is "for profit" that does not make a profit does not pay taxes.

But we aren't talking about that.

Non-profits are set up so that any funds in excess of expenses stay in the enterprise and can not be distributed as there are no shareholder and investors.

But...

In that, a religious station or church is not different than, let's say, a PBS station. In NYC, the PBS manager has a very high six-figure salary, but nobody gets a "share" of any excess cash on hand in a given year.

Just one of the several loopholes to enjoy the riches built by questionable non-profits. The others being divorces, lawsuits, cheap selloffs, etc.

 

[Ryan Williams]

Exactly. A good example would be the Bonneville stations owned by the Later Day Saints.

Great example. Bonneville is from top to bottom one of the very best if not the best group owner in radio. From having high quality programming to taking care of their employees to community involvement to reinvesting in their brands and facilities to avoiding short term thinking. Absolutely top notch.

Also, by the way, many of those good attributes are influenced and at least partially enabled by their nonprofit owner.

 

[BamaTX]

Keep in mind a non-profit owning a commercial business that turns a profit usually pays taxes on it's income because it is not a part of the income that is tax exempt.

No one is arguing that.

But it should be important to note that the for-profit business that is built (or purchased) was done with tax-free money raised by the non-profit (or in this case, a church).

And when that non-profit falls apart, guess who gets to keep that for-profit business that was paid for with tax-free money? Something as simple as, geez I don't know....like a divorce, could allow some of the parties to walk out with assets from a non-profit.