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Virgin Radio Beat - Seahawks, Sonics, Rush ...

One interesting comment in that story

Entercom grabbed Limbaugh away from KVI-AM (570), and KVI would like him back.

I don't think "grabbed" is really the appropriate word to use there.
Ripped, snorked, squeegled maybe...grabbed? Nah.

Clear Channel, who owned the rights vis a vis owning Premier--still owns em I assume-- and this is just opionion of course..were pissed because they attempted to snatch up the Fisher properties and couldn't do it.
There were a couple of scenarios being bandied about.
One was that Fisher was just asking more money than CC was willing to pay and wouldn't budge on it.
The other was a private pissin match between some of the boys in the Oak and Teak offices.

Regardless, the main point of hallway chatter was that Rush was granted to Entercom out of spite and nothing more.

In the end though, Rush actually did this to himself.
He didn't HAVE to sell his syndication rights back whenever that was ('96?)

Many were clamoring that it was RUSH's decision, even here on this board I'd seen words to that effect.
Rush had as much to say about that move as IKNOWITALL did (well, perhaps IKNOWITALL does claim to be responsible and I just missed the post!! LOL)

It's a bit difficult to believe that Rush would have wanted to move to a smaller station, with a smaller signal, with less potential audience.
 
Re: One interesting comment in that story

> Entercom grabbed Limbaugh away from KVI-AM (570), and KVI
> would like him back.....

One thing I never really understood at the time. KVI was one of the earliest stations to help bolster Rush's credibility. Not that they LAUNCHED him, but they were sure willing to gamble on him when he was much much less of a "known" entity.

So why would a business "partner" turn around and screw an affiliate that helped like that --- it's becoming so very very common and easy to just claim "that's business". But many many of the early deals were done on handshakes and integrity -- and now that concept is so completely fictional it's very sad.

To this day I'm often willing to take on projects that I might not otherwise find attractive because the project in question benefits someone who was helpful to me at one point or another. Wouldn't dream of coming back with an "up yours'" mentality on those things ...

sad!
 
Re: One interesting comment in that story

> > Entercom grabbed Limbaugh away from KVI-AM (570), and KVI
> > would like him back.....
>
> One thing I never really understood at the time. KVI was
> one of the earliest stations to help bolster Rush's
> credibility. Not that they LAUNCHED him, but they were sure
> willing to gamble on him when he was much much less of a
> "known" entity.
>
> So why would a business "partner" turn around and screw an
> affiliate that helped like that --- it's becoming so very
> very common and easy to just claim "that's business". But
> many many of the early deals were done on handshakes and
> integrity -- and now that concept is so completely fictional
> it's very sad.
>
> To this day I'm often willing to take on projects that I
> might not otherwise find attractive because the project in
> question benefits someone who was helpful to me at one point
> or another. Wouldn't dream of coming back with an "up
> yours'" mentality on those things ...
>
> sad!


With Rush, it comes down to two words: Greed and Money. It doesn't matter if KVI boosted Rush's career, it isn't about creating solid and stable business partnerships, it's "Gimmie my damn money now!" And this is what passes for American business ethics these days. And then they wonder why Americans are so cold and cynical....
>
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Re: One interesting comment in that story

> > Entercom grabbed Limbaugh away from KVI-AM (570), and KVI
> > would like him back.....
>
> One thing I never really understood at the time. KVI was
> one of the earliest stations to help bolster Rush's
> credibility. Not that they LAUNCHED him, but they were sure
> willing to gamble on him when he was much much less of a
> "known" entity.
>
> So why would a business "partner" turn around and screw an
> affiliate that helped like that --- it's becoming so very
> very common and easy to just claim "that's business". But
> many many of the early deals were done on handshakes and
> integrity -- and now that concept is so completely fictional
> it's very sad.

AGREED! Very very inappropriate!
 
Re: One interesting comment in that story

> So why would a business "partner" turn around and screw an
> affiliate that helped like that --- it's becoming so very
> very common and easy to just claim "that's business". But
> many many of the early deals were done on handshakes and
> integrity -- and now that concept is so completely fictional
> it's very sad.

Not that I'm trying to justify it or anything - but IIRC, the company who launched El Rushbo was eventually bought out by Premiere Radio, who are now owned by Clear Channel.

The point is those who did the original "handshake deal" with KVI are long since departed - so there's no need to worry about the "up yours" mentality.

Never mind the fact that this larger radio group dangled all its stations' affiliations (meaning clearances) as a bargaining chip to steal away one show in one city.
 
Re: One interesting comment

> The point is those who did the original "handshake deal"
> with KVI are long since departed - so there's no need to
> worry about the "up yours" mentality.
>

Actually, it was the deal falling through for CC to buy out Fisher that started the whole thing. Last I checked, Hogan and Mays were still with CC.
 
Re: One interesting comment

>
> Actually, it was the deal falling through for CC to buy out
> Fisher that started the whole thing. Last I checked, Hogan
> and Mays were still with CC.
>

Apparently you misunderstood what I wrote. Mays et. al weren't the ones who got Rush on KVI way back when. So they had no reason to cut Fisher a break, no matter if a deal to buy them went sour or not.
 
Nope, that was Brian (Bryan?) Jennings

Jennings and Shannon Sweate (Sweat?).

Both LONG LONG gone.
Jennings back around 1995-6 and Sweat around 2001ish.
 
Sorry Larry, Rush had NO SAY in what happened there

As I stated in my first post, Rush sold his rights to Premier, who is owned by Clear Channel.
Therefore, Rush had no more say about where his shows were broadcast than you do about your boss reassigning you from the production room to the mail room.

And as I also said in the first post, KVI(Fisher) didn't "SCREW" anyone.
They got screwed.

If the "noises in the hallways" were true, then Fisher offered quite a bit MORE money than Entercom was offering but CC had a hair up their corporate asses because they couldn't buy the Fisher properties and did the move out of pure spite.
 
Re: Sorry Larry, Rush had NO SAY in what happened there

> As I stated in my first post, Rush sold his rights to
> Premier, who is owned by Clear Channel.
> Therefore, Rush had no more say about where his shows were
> broadcast than you do about your boss reassigning you from
> the production room to the mail room.

"?"

Just for the record, I never got demoted anywhere. And if somebody did, I'd leave that job. Period. I'm not like some masochistic suck up in the biz who would accept that kind of treatment and call it a "career". So you're obviously talking about the WRONG person here.

Besides, if anything, it's better to watch this industry disintergrate from the sidelines than directly beneath it
>
> And as I also said in the first post, KVI(Fisher) didn't
> "SCREW" anyone.
> They got screwed.
>
> If the "noises in the hallways" were true, then Fisher
> offered quite a bit MORE money than Entercom was offering
> but CC had a hair up their corporate asses because they
> couldn't buy the Fisher properties and did the move out of
> pure spite.

It was Rush/Premier/CC who screwed KVI. Read MY post. KVI supported Rush/Premier/CC and KVI got what they deserved for dealing with snakes. If CC couldn't buy Fisher, then they used what they had against Fisher. They also knew KTTH is KIRO's sister station and the ultimate goal is to get Rush on KIRO. Although not likely, if CC thinks they have their foot in the door and the ratings/money warrants it and KIRO's PD agrees, it COULD happen (I didn't say WILL, but COULD happen.....)
>
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Whoah there cowboy

> Just for the record, I never got demoted anywhere. And if
> somebody did, I'd leave that job. Period. I'm not like some
> masochistic suck up in the biz who would accept that kind of
> treatment and call it a "career". So you're obviously
> talking about the WRONG person here.
>
I never said nor implied that you were ever demoted from any position anywhere.
I was merely trying to make a point to show comparision.
 
Re: Sorry Larry, Rush had NO SAY in what happened there

> As I stated in my first post, Rush sold his rights to
> Premier, who is owned by Clear Channel.
> Therefore, Rush had no more say about where his shows were
> broadcast than you do about your boss reassigning you from
> the production room to the mail room.

Although Rush probably does hold the rights to declining any move in his home market, I suppose NYC. But although Premiere didn't get anything beneficial out of the move to KTTH, networks will oftentimes screw the current affiliate and the host - before Savage was slated to be booted off KTTH, TRN would have happily moved him to KRIZ is they agreed to take Rusty Humphries and Tammy Bruce as well. More clearances for crap shows benefit the network, although for the host it kinda sucks.
 
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