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WAAF Transmitter move

Did AAF begin testing the new transmitter recently? Reception has gone extremely downhill in the last 2 days.

If they have, I hope they realize they are currently the ONLY rock station in Eastern CT. BCN is too far, CCC barely reaches, and HJY is always full of static. Now its hard to get AAF in.

I noticed they redid their imaging and promo's as well, been playing some different types of music. I'm not sure the Gorillaz really fit a rock format, but oh well.
 
Yes

WAAF was granted PTA and fired up within the last couple of days.
And for all intensive purposes, are now at WUNI-TV's site full time...
 
Re: Yes

> WAAF was granted PTA and fired up within the last couple of
> days.
> And for all intensive purposes, are now at WUNI-TV's site
> full time...
>

Intents and purposes...

WAAF is working on new transmitter facilities. Unfortunately, some areas will probably be sacrificed in order to achieve better signal penetration in Boston proper.

Eastern Ct. and Western Mass most likely. Also...I'm betting the South Shore.

I don't know the details. But, I have heard the engineers talking about stuff.
 
WRKO take notice

I'm getting decent reception on WAAF from the 495 RI/MA border.

Hopefully WRKO will follow suit and do something about their transmitter. If WBZ broadcasts to almost 40 US states, why can't I get WRKO after dinnertime if I'm more than 10 miles from Boston?
 
I can't speak for now, but I AM certain that, as of this past tuesday evening while aoround Boston's Downtown Crossing, I had virtually no signal of WAAF-FM 107.3. However, I DID had slightly better results with WXLO-FM 104.5 of Fitchburg/Worcester. (Where is their transmitter anyway?)
 
Re: WRKO take notice

My reception of WAAF-FM 107.3 hasn't really changed for where I am in New Britain, CT (southwest of Hartford). As for WRKO-AM 680, I get barely enough audio during the day to realize that it's them I'm picking up. (I get next to nothing at night at all.) WBZ-AM 1030 is real weak as well but people's voices are still listenable.
 
> I can't speak for now, but I AM certain that, as of this
> past tuesday evening while aoround Boston's Downtown
> Crossing, I had virtually no signal of WAAF-FM 107.3.
> However, I DID had slightly better results with WXLO-FM
> 104.5 of Fitchburg/Worcester. (Where is their transmitter
> anyway?)
>

I believe it's located in the Leominster State Forest. I think I've seen it when I've driven to the top of Wachusett, off in the distance.
 
Re: WRKO take notice

> My reception of WAAF-FM 107.3 hasn't really changed for
> where I am in New Britain, CT (southwest of Hartford). As
> for WRKO-AM 680, I get barely enough audio during the day to
> realize that it's them I'm picking up. (I get next to
> nothing at night at all.) WBZ-AM 1030 is real weak as well
> but people's voices are still listenable.

At times, WRKO even sounds lousy in MetroWest during the day. Not all of the time, by any means, but there are times where the signal can be a bit flakey. At night, there are definately reception issues and RKO sounds horrible, if audible at all on my setup in Framingham. Because of 680's lousy signal out here, I've been able to catch the French-language 690 from Montreal very well at times, which would be unthinkable a few miles to the east.

I wouldn't think that WSRO-650 is exactly helping WRKO's reception in the area, either.
 
> Did AAF begin testing the new transmitter recently?
> Reception has gone extremely downhill in the last 2 days.

There appears to be a VERY slight improvement in WAAF's signal in Boston's north and west suburbs and Boston proper. A barely noticeable change from before.
 
Re: WRKO take notice

> I'm getting decent reception on WAAF from the 495 RI/MA
> border.
>
> Hopefully WRKO will follow suit and do something about their
> transmitter. If WBZ broadcasts to almost 40 US states, why
> can't I get WRKO after dinnertime if I'm more than 10 miles
> from Boston?

As you probably know, AM signals can skip much farther distances at night after the sun goes down than they normally reach in the daytime. The electrical charge of the ionospheric layer changes when the sun is no longer shining through it, and it reflects signals back to Earth in farther locations. These nightime skip signals are called "skywaves" because they're reflected back from the sky.

Because of this, many AM stations, including WRKO, are required by the FCC to either lower their power or change their directional pattern after sunset, in order to avoid their nighttime "skywave" skip signals from interfering with one another (some other stations must sign off completely).

WBZ's dial position was designated a "clear channel" (not the company, but the frequency) station on 1030 AM at night for the eastern half of the U.S. many decades ago. That means that they can beam their 50,000 watt signal inland west (and also north/south) from their transmitter on the coast in Hull day and night. They're authorized to cover the huge portion of the country that they reach at night.

Though there has been some deregulation of "clear channel" frequencies and the 1030 frequency is no longer completely clear of other stations everywhere in the eastern U.S. at night, that has not changed WBZ's authority to send their full power inland both day and night.

The station at 680 that eventually became WRKO (WLAW, WNAC...) came on to their frequency with 50,000 watts later on, and was never designated by the FCC as a "clear channel" frequency like WBZ. WRKO has to change their directional pattern at sunset and is not allowed to beam southwest or west at night because it has to "protect" a number of other stations in other states from their nighttime "skywave" skip signal. It's not a matter of them "doing something about their transmitter". Unlike WBZ, WRKO is not authorized by the FCC to beam much power inland at night. You know they would if they were allowed to.
 
Re: WRKO take notice

>
> I wouldn't think that WSRO-650 is exactly helping WRKO's
> reception in the area, either.
>
WSRO runs 9W at night. It's no threat ;>) WSRO is third-adjacent to WRKO. The third-adjcent-overlap rule is no overlap of 25 mV/m contours. 25 mV/m is a pretty strong AM signal. Even during the day when WSRO runs 250W and WRKO's pattern is less restrictive to the west and southwest than it is at night, there is no danger of prohibited overlap between the two signals. The 25 mV/m contours are miles apart. At night, the contours are even further apart. Is the bowling alley still on Mt Wayte Ave next to the WSRO (/WKOX/WBIX-day) site? I would be very surprised that, if you were parked in the bowling alley lot after sunset with your car radio tuned to 680, any of your reception problems would be attibutable to WSRO. You might have reception problems if you were in that spot duing the day but those problems would be likely to result from the very strong WBIX and WKOX signals overloading the receiver's front end.
 
Re: WRKO take notice

> I'm getting decent reception on WAAF from the 495 RI/MA
> border.
>
> Hopefully WRKO will follow suit and do something about their
> transmitter. If WBZ broadcasts to almost 40 US states, why
> can't I get WRKO after dinnertime if I'm more than 10 miles
> from Boston?
>
Because the FCC has to protect some other stations' signals (North Carolina?
NY? Baltimore?)
 
Re: WRKO take notice

They have to Protect WPTF Raleigh, and WCBM Baltimore.
But I'll never understand for the life of me why WRKO and WEEI and WWZN
which are all 50,000 watts at night and have similar nightime nulls to the west and south, can't move their towers further west, with the same night time pattern
It's as if those three are content to blow off 75% of boston Metro
The reception for WRKO in places like Framingham and Acton are shitty after sunset.
The state of AM in Boston as far as night time signals is quite stupid

I'm getting decent reception on WAAF from the 495 RI/MA
> > border.
> >
> > Hopefully WRKO will follow suit and do something about
> their
> > transmitter. If WBZ broadcasts to almost 40 US states,
> why
> > can't I get WRKO after dinnertime if I'm more than 10
> miles
> > from Boston?
> >
> Because the FCC has to protect some other stations' signals
> (North Carolina?
> NY? Baltimore?)
> <P ID="signature">______________
Norm Rosen
</P>
 
Re: WRKO take notice

Eli, This IS great information.
But it only explains the science of skywaves and it doesn't
answer the question as to why the reception is OK during the day the and lousy
in metro west at night.
To find out the answer you can go a very good sight: www.radio-locator.com then type in the call letters, then click on (i) menu and scroll down to the day and night patterns of said station/s.
The day and night patterns are deliberately different to protect the co channels
in distant cities from WRKO's skywave, butthe issue of" why can't WRKO WEEI and WWZN satisfy
the Requirements and still serve the entire Boston area?"
You touched on the reason. When WLAW 680 from Lawrence moved to Boston in 1938
They broadcasted more or less from their present site west of Boston with the same signal pattern.
The size of the market was very different then, and the night time signal was adequate for the market.
The growth took place to the west and south of Boston, and while listerners in these areas want to hear the stations, we are the same ones who block the movement of the towers west.
Add to the NIMBY attitude, are the complacency of the stations to try to make things better.
IN WBZ's case they are no more powerful signal wise than WRKO WEEI and WWZN but the tower is at the end of Nantasket Beach in Hull and the signal is trong to the west, and as luck and timing would have it, they are grandfathered with a lock on that frequency at night, and whenever the AM tower is near water such WBZ's case Boston harbor, the signal is more voluminous.
it would perfect if WRKO WEEI and WWZN ccould move further west and send their signals east through some wetlands


I'm getting decent reception on WAAF from the 495 RI/MA
> > border.
> >
> > Hopefully WRKO will follow suit and do something about
> their
> > transmitter. If WBZ broadcasts to almost 40 US states,
> why
> > can't I get WRKO after dinnertime if I'm more than 10
> miles
> > from Boston?
>
> As you probably know, AM signals can skip much farther
> distances at night after the sun goes down than they
> normally reach in the daytime. The electrical charge of the
> ionospheric layer changes when the sun is no longer shining
> through it, and it reflects signals back to Earth in farther
> locations. These nightime skip signals are called "skywaves"
> because they're reflected back from the sky.
>
> Because of this, many AM stations, including WRKO, are
> required by the FCC to either lower their power or change
> their directional pattern after sunset, in order to avoid
> their nighttime "skywave" skip signals from interfering with
> one another (some other stations must sign off completely).
>
> WBZ's dial position was designated a "clear channel" (not
> the company, but the frequency) station on 1030 AM at night
> for the eastern half of the U.S. many decades ago. That
> means that they can beam their 50,000 watt signal inland
> west (and also north/south) from their transmitter on the
> coast in Hull day and night. They're authorized to cover the
> huge portion of the country that they reach at night.
>
> Though there has been some deregulation of "clear channel"
> frequencies and the 1030 frequency is no longer completely
> clear of other stations everywhere in the eastern U.S. at
> night, that has not changed WBZ's authority to send their
> full power inland both day and night.
>
> The station at 680 that eventually became WRKO (WLAW,
> WNAC...) came on to their frequency with 50,000 watts later
> on, and was never designated by the FCC as a "clear channel"
> frequency like WBZ. WRKO has to change their directional
> pattern at sunset and is not allowed to beam southwest or
> west at night because it has to "protect" a number of other
> stations in other states from their nighttime "skywave" skip
> signal. It's not a matter of them "doing something about
> their transmitter". Unlike WBZ, WRKO is not authorized by
> the FCC to beam much power inland at night. You know they
> would if they were allowed to.
> <P ID="signature">______________
Norm Rosen
</P>
 
Re: WRKO take notice

> Is the
> bowling alley still on Mt Wayte Ave next to the WSRO
> (/WKOX/WBIX-day) site?

I remember that place! The Bowlerama. It's now some sort of juvenile court.

> I would be very surprised that, if
> you were parked in the bowling alley lot after sunset with
> your car radio tuned to 680, any of your reception problems
> would be attibutable to WSRO. You might have reception
> problems if you were in that spot duing the day but those
> problems would be likely to result from the very strong WBIX
> and WKOX signals overloading the receiver's front end.

That would make sense. Thanks for the info.
 
Re: WRKO take notice

> They have to Protect WPTF Raleigh, and WCBM Baltimore.
> But I'll never understand for the life of me why WRKO and
> WEEI and WWZN
> which are all 50,000 watts at night and have similar
> nightime nulls to the west and south, can't move their
> towers further west, with the same night time pattern
> It's as if those three are content to blow off 75% of boston
> Metro
> The reception for WRKO in places like Framingham and Acton
> are shitty after sunset.
> The state of AM in Boston as far as night time signals is
> quite stupid

Perhaps even with 50 kw beamed east, their signals might not be strong enough over the city of Boston if the towers were farther west, say out toward Route 495.

WBIX 1060 puts out 40 kw days from Framingham, and their signal in Boston proper is only fair to marginal. Certainly far from good enough to qualify for Boston as a COL, or to satisfy listeners who want a strong signal in town. WCRN 830 Worcester puts out 50 kw days and their signal in Boston is just barely fair to poor.

WBZ transmits toward Boston over salt water from Hull. Salt water enhances AM signals, and boosts WBZ to the west toward Boston and the mainland. If WRKO, WHDH or WWZN put their towers farther west of Boston they would still be broadcasting over land, so their equivalent signals over Boston would be nothing like WBZ's conducting over water. They would probably fade in and out on car radios when driving among buildings in town and they wouldn't as well overcome all the sources of man-made electrical interference which affect AM that have become so much more prevalent these days, etc... WWZN especially would have trouble in Boston at night due to adjacent channel skywaves from Wash. DC and Buffalo NY if it wasn't as close to the city.
 
Re: WRKO take notice

> But I'll never understand for the life of me why WRKO and
> WEEI and WWZN
> which are all 50,000 watts at night and have similar
> nightime nulls to the west and south, can't move their
> towers further west, with the same night time pattern

Well, try understanding this:

In 1980, when WITS (now WWZN) was planning its move from Squantum to Waltham, AMs had to deliver 25 mV/m day and night to the "principal business district" of the CoL. For reasons that have been discussed ad nauseum on this board, WITS's transmitter site (at least the night site) HAD to be northwest of downtown Boston, and the location at 411 Waveley Oaks Rd was just about as far to the west as the station could go and still deliver the requisite signal to the South Station Postal Annex (which the FCC defined as Boston's central business district).

The reason the distance (eight or nine miles) is so small is the combination of poor soil conductivity in New England and the station's high frequency. At 1510, there are more than twice as many wavelengths per mile as there are at, say, 680. So, at a given soil conductivity, a 680 signal of a given strength can travel 20 miles before it is attenuated as much as a 1510 signal of the same strength that travels just nine miles.

Sometime in the 80s, I believe, the FCC eliminated the 25 mV/m central-business-district requirement leaving only the requirement that AMs deliver 5 mV/m by day to 100% of the CoL and an interference-free signal at night (a so-called NIF signal) to at least 80% of the CoL. For nearly all Class B AMs (stations such as WRKO, WEEI, and WWZN as well as WEZE, WTTT, WRCA, and WUNR), the NIF contour exceeds 5 mV/m, so the NIF coverage requirement is more severe than the 5 mV/m daytime requirement. Now, however, there are at least two additional reasons why most AMs can't move--the NIMBYs won't allow it and the FCC's ratchet rule makes the technical penalties so severe that few stations are willing to spend the substantial $$$ to suffer reductions in their coverage.

Any AM that makes substantive changes to its facilities must reduce interference to other stations to which it causes interference. This subject can get very technical and confusing--involving (for nighttime allocations) discussions of the 25%- and 50%-exclusion RSS (root-sum-squared) values of the interfering 10% skywaves.

As an example, I had been campaigning for years for WEEI to diplex with co-owned WRKO from WRKO's Burlington site. Notwithstanding WRKO's shorter towers, the Burlington site is just superior and this looked like a slam dunk to me. But because of the ratchet rule, it's not! Reducing interference to co-channel and first-adjacent-channel stations means that WEEI would have to give up so much population in its protected nighttime service area that the move can't be justified, especially when you consider that Entercom's cost would probably be in the neighorhood of $4- to $5-million. BTW, when WRKO and WEEI were owned by ARS, this move as being actively persued but was dropped when management finally grasped the implications.
 
Re: WRKO take notice

> The reception for WRKO in places like Framingham and Acton
> are shitty after sunset.
> The state of AM in Boston as far as night time signals is
> quite stupid

If Entercom owned WKOX or a station in Worcester they could simulcast
WRKO, the way that WEEI is simulcast on WVEI in Worcester. But 'tis not to be.
 
Re: Yes

> Intents and purposes...
>
> WAAF is working on new transmitter facilities.

Mark that worked on. They are radiating RF from the new Shively as we speak.
 
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