They ARE trying to sell a product. It's usually not good to publicly bash your own product. Excuse making is par for the course in any business.
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They ARE trying to sell a product. It's usually not good to publicly bash your own product. Excuse making is par for the course in any business.
That is almost funny coming from an admitted conservative talk host crying "hate". Right out of the Ailes & Rove playbook.
Hey, throw in "racist"! Go for it all!
Chanon.
Unless Boyce and co. are utter moron (like their listeners) they know that this stuff they purvey is garbage.
These shows have always been about three things:
Profit.
Power.
...And now, propping up a dying industry.
The damage they've done to this country doesn't even factor.
Chanon.
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FredLeonard
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Boyce laid the groundwork for the destruction of WABC. He's the one who turned it into all angry right-wing hate speech, all the time. He did the same for other once-great ABC owned stations, too. Now he's at Salem working for the Bob Jones Christofacists. Well, they deserve each other. 2Samuel 1:25.
Re: "Anger."
There's a lot of it in this thread and a lot of it on news/talk radio. I'm very sick of seeing the blatantly racist and ageist and sexist term, "Angry Old White Men," thrown around on these forums.
But that said, there's nothing wrong with expressing anger when it's justified. Without those who were referred to as, "Angry Black Men," in the 1960's we wouldn't have had the Civil Rights movement and its subsequent reforms. But it was those like Dr. King who knew how to express that anger in a way that connected with people and wasn't just over-the-top shouting that had a real impact. Today there are plenty of people who think, for example, that government regulation is out of control, and they have a right to be angry. If someone on the radio expresses the anger they feel, that's probably a good thing.
IMO, the problem with Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin and others is that they manage to manufacture anger every day, often out of nothing significant. OTOH, the problem with NPR is that there's NO anger! Everyone is oh so pleasant, oh so nice, and the measured tone of their delivery lulls listeners into buying their viewpoint (let's be honest, every news outlet has a slant) hook, line and sinker.
What news/talk radio needs is a middle ground.
There's a lot of it in this thread and a lot of it on news/talk radio. I'm very sick of seeing the blatantly racist and ageist and sexist term, "Angry Old White Men," thrown around on these forums.
But that said, there's nothing wrong with expressing anger when it's justified. Without those who were referred to as, "Angry Black Men," in the 1960's we wouldn't have had the Civil Rights movement and its subsequent reforms. But it was those like Dr. King who knew how to express that anger in a way that connected with people and wasn't just over-the-top shouting that had a real impact. Today there are plenty of people who think, for example, that government regulation is out of control, and they have a right to be angry. If someone on the radio expresses the anger they feel, that's probably a good thing.
IMO, the problem with Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin and others is that they manage to manufacture anger every day, often out of nothing significant. OTOH, the problem with NPR is that there's NO anger! Everyone is oh so pleasant, oh so nice, and the measured tone of their delivery lulls listeners into buying their viewpoint (let's be honest, every news outlet has a slant) hook, line and sinker.
What news/talk radio needs is a middle ground.
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FredLeonard
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Nielsen has demographic data and, yes, the audience for right-wing talk is predominantly White, 65 plus and male. Anger, as you suggest, can be inferred from the content.
I'm trying to think of what would be the "middle ground" between zero anger and anger. Seems like you can't be a little bit angry (just like you can't be a little bit pregnant). I would describe the emotional state in many NPR stories, especially those dealing with the whining of various victim/entitlement groups, as (variously) chagrin, displeasure, exasperation, impatience, indignation, ire, irritation, pique, umbrage or vexation. All of these are in the thesaurus as synonyms for "anger." Zero anger sounds like indifference.
Sure you can. Parents do it every day. They are angry that their child has screwed up again, but they bit their lip, and gently take the child (or teenager) by the hand and say, "Let's try that again. You can do better." Yes, you can be a little bit angry.
I'm sure there are times when judges in criminal trials would like to say to the victim of the crime: "Come on up here. Let's just forget about jail. Let's take my gavel and beat this scum to death!" Yes, you can be a little bit angry.
I've been on sales calls where as we drove away, my sales manager would just be seeting, and I could tell he would like to go back in there and say: "You stupid.... xxxxxxxx sign this contract NOW, or we are going to drag you out in the street and drive the car back and forth over your body." Yes, you can be a little big angry.
And then there is the day that for the first time in your marriage, you forgot it was your anniversary and you bring a briefcase of unfinished work home and find your wife all dressed up, waiting for the annual surprise of a night on the town you have always arranged in the past." That can be the night that people can be a little bit MORE than a little bit angry.
That's not true.
I selected a few stations that are consistent better performers in the format and looked at the composition based on a 6 month rolling average (Jan to June).
KFI Los Angeles
65+ 41%.
Males 60% Females 40%
Hispanics 22% (market is 20% English dominant Hispanics, so they overindex with Hispanics.
KTAR-FM Phoenix
65+ 17%
Males 53% Females 47%
Hispanics 14% (Market is 14% English dominant Hispanics, so they do as well among Hispanics as general market)
WGN Chicago
(A station in well reported distress which is not considered particularly conservative)
65+ 44%
Male 51% Female 39%
Hispanics 1.5% (Severely under-indexes, a symptom of its aging audience)
WLS Chicago
65+ 26%
Male 64% Female 36%
Hispanics 12% (Overindexes the roughly 10% of the market that is English dominant Hispanics)
I could go on, but this should show what reality is vs perception.
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FredLeonard
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Start with the all stories under the heading "Code Switch" and "Race Card Project."
That explanation had pretty well risen to the top of my list.
I raised a rather quiet, mild-mannered son. You can understand this example.
He has become a truck driver. And through the years I noticed his "war stories" about work took on an interesting turn. And I finally figured it out. He drives a Budweiser route truck. Semi. Loads and unloads those big metal beer kegs. So at the end of the day he finds himself in the "locker room" with a bunch of younger bucks who are cleaning up and dressing up to head out for the evening. He finally developed the verbal skills to "give as good as he gets" with that crowd. He is hanging out with a group that has an interesting and harsh social concept of conversation. After all, they have been delivering beer to all the rowdiest of bars all day long.
If slapping some of us around verbally gives you a release from your confining, restrictive workday, knock yourself out I guess.
In the meantime, I will call my son sometime this week for advice. "Son, if a guy walks into a conversation space and starts verbally roughing people up, what is the best way to slap back? Maybe I need some of your language that you use with truck drivers."
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FredLeonard
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GRC: Another possibility. Radio draws some really obnoxious, socially-inept and nasty people, who become their "better selves" on the air, and only on the air. That's the appeal. They become the person they always wanted to be and get the kind of response from people they always wanted to have.
Conversely, there is a body of research suggesting the Internet has the opposite effect and brings out the worst in people.
I wouldn't be surprised if the entire town of Gillette is the same kind of people you find in a locker room of beer truck drivers.
Conversely, there is a body of research suggesting the Internet has the opposite effect and brings out the worst in people.
I wouldn't be surprised if the entire town of Gillette is the same kind of people you find in a locker room of beer truck drivers.
This quote from your post may be pretty good proof of what you say the Internet brings out in people. You ever been to Gillette or anywhere within 500 miles of Gillette?
Have you ever listened to the man's broadcast and listened as he interviews locals? There are obviously some pretty sharp people serving as city officials and other public posts.
During my broadcasting years I think I worked in maybe 13 markets that were smaller than Gillette, and just as rural. Yes, Gillette has a coal boom going on right now and it is one of those markets in that part of the country that has had to cope with an influx of workers.... the kind who mine coal, drill for oil and gas, and the kind that construct pipelines. (You may have heard... there is some national push-and-shove about something called the "XL Pipeline". Have you ever lived in a little town while it was temporarily invaded by people who have a vocabulary that will make a bulldozer and trenching machine work. But that doesn't mean the local citizenry carries that same vocabulary.
Thanks for the info David, I've been reading your posts for a long time, I have learned more from your posts than from the all the other combined times a million. You supply the cold hard facts, never a bias, and not to be rude but those who argue with you end up saying more about themselves than they realize or would care to.
Your stats here are on english dominant Hispanics but what I have to think that the total Hispanic listenership of these stations must also to some degree consist of those who are not English dominate. The question then is how much, even if so I think the point remains that AM talk radio is not what those talking points pretend them to be. It is astonishing how much hate is generated against those who just happen to hold different views and do not like the politics of this current administration. Whenever I think they are too partisan, angry, and so hatefully against this president I just have to think back to how the previous president was treated, no objective human being could conclude that any president was delt with more harsh, hateful and evil partisanship that GWB was, they called for his death day after day, even made a movie about taking him out. I'm also thankful that Michelle Obama has not had to deal with anything close to what was said about Laura Bush, these first ladies deserve respect, you can disagree with some of their pet products or comments they make but all of that violence directed towards Laura Bush surely was the worst side of America we have seen over the last couple of decades.
Your stats here are on english dominant Hispanics but what I have to think that the total Hispanic listenership of these stations must also to some degree consist of those who are not English dominate. The question then is how much, even if so I think the point remains that AM talk radio is not what those talking points pretend them to be. It is astonishing how much hate is generated against those who just happen to hold different views and do not like the politics of this current administration. Whenever I think they are too partisan, angry, and so hatefully against this president I just have to think back to how the previous president was treated, no objective human being could conclude that any president was delt with more harsh, hateful and evil partisanship that GWB was, they called for his death day after day, even made a movie about taking him out. I'm also thankful that Michelle Obama has not had to deal with anything close to what was said about Laura Bush, these first ladies deserve respect, you can disagree with some of their pet products or comments they make but all of that violence directed towards Laura Bush surely was the worst side of America we have seen over the last couple of decades.
You're the only one saying hateful things here.
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stevensonair
Guest
"I'm also thankful that Michelle Obama has not had to deal with anything close to what was said about Laura Bush."
Oh really.
Ever read comment sections on conservative websites, or the President's Facebook page?
There have been some despicable remarks made about the First Lady.
Oh really.
Ever read comment sections on conservative websites, or the President's Facebook page?
There have been some despicable remarks made about the First Lady.
Where do you live, character? It's somewhere near Philly or Wilmington if I had to guess.
Michelle Obama has gotten more hate from the Internet trolls than Laura Bush did, but when it comes to the men, George W. Bush holds the record for the amount of hate received. 6 years out of office and he STILL regularly gets death threats.
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FredLeonard
Guest
And your source for that is.....? I realize the coal miners, truck drivers and ranch hands never ask for sources but...
The drunk little twerp is not getting death threats these days (not even from MADD) and Obama is setting records in that department, way more than Bush got while he was in office.
Turn about would be fair play.
And your source for that is......?
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