WABC is suppose to be broadcasting in HD for the past few weeks they have had their HD off , does anyone know why they are not broadcasting in HD now ?
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WABC 770 HD ?
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MusicRadioUSA said:
Here's the top 10 list of possibilities:
10. Nobody noticed.
9. They noticed, but don't care.
8. It broke, and there is no ROI on fixing it.
7. The bandwidth of the analog signal can be wider without it.
6. It does not interfere with other co-owned stations if it's off
5. It uses less electricity now.
4. They are on the alternate transmitter, which has no HD exciter.
3. The engineer does not have time to maintain it.
2. There aren't many radios.
And, #1: There aren't any listeners.
Take your choice.
I don't know about the Top 10 list...what about the other HD AM stations broadcasting in HD like WOR, WCBS-AM, WINS, WADO and WQEW..are they doing this for nothing ?
MusicRadioUSA said:
In a word, "yes."
I believe WABC 770 AM has not used HD in several years. The reason I heard is that there was mutual interference with co-owned WJR in Detroit, on 760 AM. Of course WABC can be heard on WPLJ HD3. Apparently broadcasters feel it is OK if their AM HD signals interfere with stations from other companies, but not their own.
WNYC 820 AM has also not been using HD for quite some time. And they can be heard on WNYC FM HD3.
On the other hand, WADO 1280 AM recently revived its HD signal. But I have never been able to receive it in HD.
WNYC 820 AM has also not been using HD for quite some time. And they can be heard on WNYC FM HD3.
On the other hand, WADO 1280 AM recently revived its HD signal. But I have never been able to receive it in HD.
Isn't WABC on WPLJ-HD3? At least WPLJ-HD3 can be heard with few dropouts across the 5 boroughs, WABC can't be heard in HD outside of Lodi, but the IBUZ can be heard everywhere. Citadel/Cumulus doesn't allow its AMs to spew IBUZ at night because WABC and WJR were spewing IBUZ all over each other at night, in the other's market. WABC in HD wasn't going to get any new listeners in the NYC market but it must have cost WJR some listeners in the Detroit market.
CBS doesn't seem to understand that their AM stations in HD are interfering with their co-owned stations on adjacent frequencies in other markets and that interference is costing CBS ratings. CBS has seen ZERO ROI on HD AM. In fact, AM HD has not produced a cent of marginal revenue anywhere. Instead of saving the AM band, AM HD is accelerating the death of the AM band.
CBS doesn't seem to understand that their AM stations in HD are interfering with their co-owned stations on adjacent frequencies in other markets and that interference is costing CBS ratings. CBS has seen ZERO ROI on HD AM. In fact, AM HD has not produced a cent of marginal revenue anywhere. Instead of saving the AM band, AM HD is accelerating the death of the AM band.
So-called "HD" is the Emperor's New Clothes. Think about the fairy tale for a bit, and it will become clear how similar they truly are.
As for the top ten list given above... where is the "ALL OF THE ABOVE" option?
That's the one I would pick. Seriously.
A few years ago, I bought the Sony HD radio receiver... claimed to be the best on the market. For analog, it sure is! While working in Norwalk, CT I used it to pick up WCBS 880 and WFAN660's monster signals. When the HD kicked in, it was like "Wow!"... for all of about 20 seconds. My co-worker and I very quickly noticed "something wasn't right" with the new high-end that came through.
After listening for about a minute, it dawned on me... *ALL* of the sibilance sounds and consonants sounded *EXACTLY THE SAME*! Human speech doesn't do that! This "HD" system was SYNTHESIZING the high end... and doing a lousy job of it. After about 2 minutes, I couldn't even stand listening to it anymore, and shut it off. I soon installed an "HD Bypass" switch, so that I could enjoy this receiver's excellent analog mode... and that is how I use it to this day. Once in a great while, I let the HD function work, and put the radio on FM, just to see what's going on. Usually nothing of any interest, though.
As for the top ten list given above... where is the "ALL OF THE ABOVE" option?
That's the one I would pick. Seriously.A few years ago, I bought the Sony HD radio receiver... claimed to be the best on the market. For analog, it sure is! While working in Norwalk, CT I used it to pick up WCBS 880 and WFAN660's monster signals. When the HD kicked in, it was like "Wow!"... for all of about 20 seconds. My co-worker and I very quickly noticed "something wasn't right" with the new high-end that came through.
After listening for about a minute, it dawned on me... *ALL* of the sibilance sounds and consonants sounded *EXACTLY THE SAME*! Human speech doesn't do that! This "HD" system was SYNTHESIZING the high end... and doing a lousy job of it. After about 2 minutes, I couldn't even stand listening to it anymore, and shut it off. I soon installed an "HD Bypass" switch, so that I could enjoy this receiver's excellent analog mode... and that is how I use it to this day. Once in a great while, I let the HD function work, and put the radio on FM, just to see what's going on. Usually nothing of any interest, though.
is that why they are now testing HD 4 on stations like WFUV 90.7 and...WVIP 93.5 has already begun HD 4 for WVOX 1460 AM ?
DavidEduardo said:
MusicRadioUSA said:
Those are FM examples. The FM system, while moderately defective, actually provides some content alternatives, particularly to entities like PBS stations which may have more content than one channel can carry.
Also, HD-2's can often be leveraged into translators, providing a reasonable service in many smaller markets... or marketing areas in big markets.
MusicRadioUSA said:
One case where quantity will not even come close to equalling quality. The HD data stream runs at a constant bitrate, and adding secondary channels means that data stream must be divided up. Either they degrade the quality of all the streams, or they leave the HD1 and maybe the HD2 at higher bitrates and severely degrade the HD3 and HD4. They can't all be high-bitrate streams.
We won't even discuss the rank stupidity of adding even more signals that can't be supported economically... (see "lack of ROI" above)
There is always the possibility that WABC, like WLS and WGN, got tired of interfering with their own signal
and sounding like the 250 watt daytimer from two counties over.
The AM iboc neatly reproduces all of the characteristics of a distance-challenged MW daytime signals except
thunderstorms, and brings them to local listeners.
Unfortunately a great many were not warned that the only way to hear their favorite
radio stations without the hiss was to go buy new radios with intentional frequency distortion (limited bandwidth).
So they didn't. Instead, listeners called asking "why so hissy"?
It's hard to go pretending forever that something is not there when it IS there.
Changing the definitions of what "there" is, is where we see philosophical disagreements.
Many have always heard up to 15,000 hz on their radios and expect this level of intelligibility.
To have anything or anyone suggest these listeners either accept "hearing damaged mode" of 2khz audio,
or "horrific tinnitus mode" in older AM radios, is a really bad choice to be stuck with.
The wiser stations stepped back from the AM version early on.
and sounding like the 250 watt daytimer from two counties over.
The AM iboc neatly reproduces all of the characteristics of a distance-challenged MW daytime signals except
thunderstorms, and brings them to local listeners.
Unfortunately a great many were not warned that the only way to hear their favorite
radio stations without the hiss was to go buy new radios with intentional frequency distortion (limited bandwidth).
So they didn't. Instead, listeners called asking "why so hissy"?
It's hard to go pretending forever that something is not there when it IS there.
Changing the definitions of what "there" is, is where we see philosophical disagreements.
Many have always heard up to 15,000 hz on their radios and expect this level of intelligibility.
To have anything or anyone suggest these listeners either accept "hearing damaged mode" of 2khz audio,
or "horrific tinnitus mode" in older AM radios, is a really bad choice to be stuck with.
The wiser stations stepped back from the AM version early on.
Or the listeners could just get an HD radio, drive out to the transmitter site and hear the AM station in HD. If they live too far from the transmitter site, tough luck.
I have achieved receiving an AM station in HD exactly once in the 2+ years I owned my Sony XDRF1HD. I've seen the HD light flash multiple times, but only once was I able to get the HD to decode for a few seconds.
I have achieved receiving an AM station in HD exactly once in the 2+ years I owned my Sony XDRF1HD. I've seen the HD light flash multiple times, but only once was I able to get the HD to decode for a few seconds.
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