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Wait for the ending!

satech said:
The "call/response" section of Ray Charles' "What'd I Say" also often gets edited out on Oldies stations. (Originally because it was "too racy"... and now just because it's too long!)
Wasn't that one split over both sides of the 45? If so, that might explain cutting it short in some markets. But you are right, it is a rather long song!

Seems like "Shout" by the Isley Brothers was similarly split over both sides of the 45, with the first side ending after, "now wait a minute."
 
johnbasalla said:
"Convoy" by C.W. McCall. Stations would often let it play to the bitter end and let C.W. say "Bye Bye" at the very end of the fade out.

"Convoy" on the radio?? Let me guess, in 1976? Now that's a rarity these days. Not counting AT-40, I don't believe I've heard "Convoy" on the radio since a KRTH special aired back in the 80's!
And a special isn't regular rotation!
 
firepoint525 said:
satech said:
The "call/response" section of Ray Charles' "What'd I Say" also often gets edited out on Oldies stations. (Originally because it was "too racy"... and now just because it's too long!)
Wasn't that one split over both sides of the 45? If so, that might explain cutting it short in some markets. But you are right, it is a rather long song!

Seems like "Shout" by the Isley Brothers was similarly split over both sides of the 45, with the first side ending after, "now wait a minute."

8 minute "American Pie" is split over two sides as well on the original 45, but the full version is played today.
 
satech said:
...as for intros that get skipped over, a lot of stations edit out the long acapella intro to Whitney's Houston "I Will Always Love You", thus starting the song abruptly in mid-sentence!

Another rarity-- that bluesy solo accoustic guitar intro to Guess Who's American Woman. Somebody please clarify-- was the intro included on the 45 RPM? Did they even release this on 45? Our college radio station played the album version.
 
firepoint525 said:
You know how it is. You are listening to one of your favorite songs on the radio (if radio still plays them) and you are hoping that they will let it play to the end, and not cut the ending short, like they sometimes like to do. Here is a list of songs with tricky endings, along with what makes those endings "tricky." The song isn't over until (and unless) you have heard that ending:

Supertramp, "Take the Long Way Home," the repeated "long way home"s at the end. Radio always seemed to fade them early :mad:
Three Dog Night, "Mama Told Me Not to Come," that very last note which is isolated from all the rest
Derek & the Dominoes, "Layla," it ain't over 'til you hear that bird chirp at the very end!
ELO, "Don't Bring Me Down," it has that "clicking noise" at the very end of it
Teena Marie, "Lovergirl," it fades down during that rap at the very end, so we hardly ever get to hear all of it.

I don't know if it is possible that single edits or radio edits eliminated some of these endings, but they didn't always get played in full on radio back when they were hits.

Supertramp's "Goodbye Stranger" also gets cut short. Even the Top 40 of today for example Daft Punks "Get Lucky" is cut short as well.

One of the reasons why I listened to Q96 over KTFM growing up in San Antonio. KTFM was notorious for doing that, and also KRBE in Houston they did that to Rick James "Give it to me Baby" editing it "give it to me what you say give it to me what you say, give it to me...." during the Club 104 days.

All stations did that to DeeLite's Grooves in the Heart where the guy says you know groove is in the heart.

Lionel Ritchie's "Running with the Night" is another one ends after the instrumental with a guitar rip.

Stations like KSJL would also play the edit of Arrested Development's "Mr. Wendall" leaving out the last part of the song.

Isley Brothers "Shout" is another example it would end basically in the middle of the song, leaving the last lines out. 99.5 KISS would do that when they were Oldies.
 
willdav713 said:
Isley Brothers "Shout" is another example it would end basically in the middle of the song, leaving the last lines out. 99.5 KISS would do that when they were Oldies.
Again, split over both sides of the 45. They were only playing side one.

Others that were cut short:

Eric Clapton, "Lay Down Sally," cut during the final chorus, rather than going on a few seconds longer into the instrumental fadeout. (May have been that way on the single. ::))

Kool & the Gang, "Joanna," faded before the "ooh, Joanna, Joanna, Joanna" part. Also probably a single edit.
 
Bob didn't wait for the ending on it's 9 @ 9 last night, when it played Tara Kemp's Just want to hold you tight. Even though the song is from 1991, I consider it a Classic Hit rather than a Variety Hit.

They cut about 5 seconds away from the ending. And it is not just that song, it's others. It seems Bob likes to keep the 9 @ 9 under 38 minutes. Krash Kelly has been on their less and less, with Veronica Cruz filling in.

I wonder if Krash Kelly can fill me in on this only up to 38 minutes with the 9 @ 9 on 103.5 BOB-Fm?
 
jfrancispastirchak said:
Remember the Gentrys, circa 1967, Keep On Dancing? Oddball song features two endings. One of the vocalists: Mouth of the South Jimmy Hart. Need I say more?
That false ending about a minute and a half into the song used to be the actual ending. Someone decided that it was too short, and added about another 45 seconds to it by repeating segments of the song.
 
You also have to remember that if you play the 'full version' (Hard to Say I'm Sorry -single fades at the piano - LP includes Get Away) you are looking at the differnece between at 3 1/2 min tune and a 5 min tune. Two results from that - fewer songs per hour and not as much time for commercials.

Also depends on the source of the tune used. K-tel (remember them - kinda like the NOW cd's that are out) always edited EVERYTHING to get more songs on an LP. Signs - 5 Man Electrical Band, edit the intro and faded early and Beach Baby - First Class is a 5 minute tune faded at about 3 min. And don't get me started on the 7 min version of Beginnings by Chicago. Single edit is what? less than 3 minutes?

One time at an Adult AC I was at we played the full Hard to Say I'm Sorry in morning drive and a half-dozen staff came by the CR and thought it was great. The PD came by a few minutes later and said "That was good... don't do it again." Go figure.
 
firepoint525 said:
jfrancispastirchak said:
Remember the Gentrys, circa 1967, Keep On Dancing? Oddball song features two endings. One of the vocalists: Mouth of the South Jimmy Hart. Need I say more?
That false ending about a minute and a half into the song used to be the actual ending. Someone decided that it was too short, and added about another 45 seconds to it by repeating segments of the song.

Interesting. Thanks. And yes, 90-sec's was way too short, even for the tight commercial programming demands of '60s top-40 formats.
 
fingar said:
Also depends on the source of the tune used. K-tel (remember them - kinda like the NOW cd's that are out) always edited EVERYTHING to get more songs on an LP. Signs - 5 Man Electrical Band, edit the intro and faded early and Beach Baby - First Class is a 5 minute tune faded at about 3 min. And don't get me started on the 7 min version of Beginnings by Chicago. Single edit is what? less than 3 minutes?

One time at an Adult AC I was at we played the full Hard to Say I'm Sorry in morning drive and a half-dozen staff came by the CR and thought it was great. The PD came by a few minutes later and said "That was good... don't do it again." Go figure.

If the 3 minute version of "Beginnings" ever comes on locally, it's an immediate tune out. Cannot stand that single, butchered edit, too much is missing, including all the brass in the middle portion of the seven minute album cut and of course, the samba-like ending. It's a great song, only when played in it's entirety.

As for "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" w/ "Get Away", I do recall stations in L.A. (Mighty 690 & others) playing this version sometimes, back in '82. Even "Tainted Love / Where Did Our Love Go" was often played back then. Rarely did I hear the single edit of "Tainted Love" on CHR.

"Abracadabra" from 1982 was another. Usually it was the full-length version over the single edit.
 
I did not like the short version of Black Magic Woman. Anyone have an opinion of the short version of Inna Gadda Da Vida? That one I could handle but I liked both versions ....even though there is about 15 minutes difference. On a somewhat related subject.....anyone remember stations cutting out the begining of Whenever I Call You Friend? I remember some stations would cut it out or talk over it with the music level down. I think that was OK since it starts out like an opera song.
 
stevations said:
Anyone have an opinion of the short version of Inna Gadda Da Vida?

As a '60s teen, the lengthy album version fascinated me. Today I enjoy either version. Always found that album cut more exciting than the Door's LP version of Light My Fire.
 
unitron said:
Am I the only one to ever get burned by Elvis's "Suspicious Minds"?

What's the reasoning by the false ending in that song?
 
oldies76 said:
unitron said:
Am I the only one to ever get burned by Elvis's "Suspicious Minds"?
What's the reasoning by the false ending in that song?

That question about a year ago. Can't remember which thread or who posted it, but I believe he or she blamed a studio foul-up. For some reason it was left in the final cut.
 
The classic hits station here (when we had one) always butchered the ending of "Amie" by the Pure Prairie League. It would be in that acoustic "fallin' in and out of love with you" bit, and be near the end anyway, but they would always chop it, and go on to something else. At least now, Hippie Radio here in Nashville plays it in its entirety.
jfrancispastirchak said:
oldies76 said:
unitron said:
Am I the only one to ever get burned by Elvis's "Suspicious Minds"?
What's the reasoning by the false ending in that song?
That question about a year ago. Can't remember which thread or who posted it, but I believe he or she blamed a studio foul-up. For some reason it was left in the final cut.
I believe it was the producer (was it Chips Moman?) who had something to do with that.

Similarly, the album version of "Help Me Rhonda" by the Beach Boys has about three false fades.
 
oldies76 said:
What's the reasoning by the false ending in that song?

Wikipedia (which is always 100% accurate, right?) says "Session producer Felton Jarvis made the unusual decision to add a premature fade-out to the song starting at 3:36, mirroring the way Presley used to perform it in his live Las Vegas stage act. This fade-out lasts for about 15 seconds before fading back in, conveying a message of relationship in the song."
 
satech said:
oldies76 said:
What's the reasoning by the false ending in that song?
Wikipedia (which is always 100% accurate, right?) says "Session producer Felton Jarvis made the unusual decision to add a premature fade-out to the song starting at 3:36, mirroring the way Presley used to perform it in his live Las Vegas stage act. This fade-out lasts for about 15 seconds before fading back in, conveying a message of relationship in the song."

Bingo (baby-boomer expression)! That's the explanation I read here about one year ago. Or was it that long ago? Or maybe even longer? I'm a "boomer", have pity on me.
 
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