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Wait for the ending!

I've heard stations playing Kyrie by Mr. Mister and they completely chopped the intro and then prematurely fade it off before it reaches the cold ending. It's an outright butcher of the 45 RPM single version and it drives me up the wall!

R
 
Manly referring to songs on this post for this answer (oldies/Classic hits): If it's live and there is not talking between songs, the jock can turn the songs volume up, but it is amazing how many older songs begin to fade 25-30 seconds before they end. If it's running on Symbian , etc., those systems have a warning signal that triggers the next song and usually isn't programmed closely enough to catch the lyrics at the end of a line, etc. I think it's more a sense of play it safe and not allow dreaded dead air. Waiting too long to start the next song can often make it sound choppy and faded (I call it anemic), so yeah, it's a fine line on just how long to wait. Plus, the true old Top 40 format was always tight and part of the art was the quick cut away from one song at the exact best part of the ending lyric or beat and cranking into the next song. Top of the hour stuff was always fun. Gotta roll into the new our with a jamming tune. Firepoint - I will save my theory for turntable radio for later.
 
Robert Bass said:
I've heard stations playing Kyrie by Mr. Mister and they completely chopped the intro and then prematurely fade it off before it reaches the cold ending. It's an outright butcher of the 45 RPM single version and it drives me up the wall!
Not sure, but I believe that there is a version that has a fadeout ending. It actually goes beyond where that cold ending was. Whether it was the album or single version, I am not sure. I believe that it fades in as well, but I have never heard anyone do to the intro what you claimed here.
Tibbs2 said:
Manly referring to songs on this post for this answer (oldies/Classic hits): If it's live and there is not talking between songs, the jock can turn the songs volume up, but it is amazing how many older songs begin to fade 25-30 seconds before they end. If it's running on Symbian , etc., those systems have a warning signal that triggers the next song and usually isn't programmed closely enough to catch the lyrics at the end of a line, etc. I think it's more a sense of play it safe and not allow dreaded dead air. Waiting too long to start the next song can often make it sound choppy and faded (I call it anemic), so yeah, it's a fine line on just how long to wait. Plus, the true old Top 40 format was always tight and part of the art was the quick cut away from one song at the exact best part of the ending lyric or beat and cranking into the next song. Top of the hour stuff was always fun. Gotta roll into the new our with a jamming tune. Firepoint - I will save my theory for turntable radio for later.
Most records do indeed have a "sweet spot" at which you should consider that record "over" and move on to the next one. Letting it go on for too long gives the impression that you are tracking an album side or something. ::) But most listeners (including me!) hate it whenever someone "butchers" an ending by prematurely going into the next song. At the top of the hour, I tried to time it out so that it would hit right with the network news, or else I played something with a lengthy fade, so that listeners wouldn't really notice if I had to back out of it a bit early.
 
firepoint525 said:
Robert Bass said:
I've heard stations playing Kyrie by Mr. Mister and they completely chopped the intro and then prematurely fade it off before it reaches the cold ending. It's an outright butcher of the 45 RPM single version and it drives me up the wall!
Not sure, but I believe that there is a version that has a fadeout ending. It actually goes beyond where that cold ending was. Whether it was the album or single version, I am not sure. I believe that it fades in as well, but I have never heard anyone do to the intro what you claimed here.

The album version is lomger, but not by much, and fades out. The faded version I have heard on the radio is shorter and ends before it reaches the cold ending.

R
 
While we're on the subject, the album version of I Just Died... bu the Cutting Crew fades out, whereas the single version has the cold ending. Very bizarre...

R
 
The botched intro version of Kyrie can be found on the following TM GoldDiscs:

133 track 15
223 track 12
919 track 6


This version does have the cold ending, but I've heard it faded on the radio at about 3:15.

R
 
Robert Bass said:
firepoint525 said:
Robert Bass said:
I've heard stations playing Kyrie by Mr. Mister and they completely chopped the intro and then prematurely fade it off before it reaches the cold ending. It's an outright butcher of the 45 RPM single version and it drives me up the wall!
Not sure, but I believe that there is a version that has a fadeout ending. It actually goes beyond where that cold ending was. Whether it was the album or single version, I am not sure. I believe that it fades in as well, but I have never heard anyone do to the intro what you claimed here.
The album version is lomger, but not by much, and fades out. The faded version I have heard on the radio is shorter and ends before it reaches the cold ending.
Can you find this version on youtube for me? I would look for it, but don't know what to search for. Thanks. I have Mr. Mister's Welcome to the Real World on cassette, but it went through the Nashville floods three years ago, so I am not sure if it even still plays.

Also have the live version that Richard Page played on Ringo Starr's All-Starr Band live tour last year on DVD, but that doesn't count.
 
Looks like they snipped ~:40 seconds off the intro of that one! I have noticed that with songs that take a while to "get going," radio is only too eager to chop off the "build-up" from the intro, especially while the song is active as a hit. (Maybe they carted it that way while it was a hit.) Even now, Jack-FM still edits off the false start from "What You Need" by INXS.

I have never heard "Kyrie" edited that way. It looks like someone started the clip late, or missed the intro, or whatever. This one appears to be edited from the actual video. When Richard Page points to the camera with both hands, that was the actual cold ending in the original video.

Seems like radio likes for everything that they play to fall within the 3-4 minute range. If it is longer than that, radio edits it to within the 3-4 minute range, not opting for the album cut until/unless the song becomes a hit.

Even with shorter songs, they will be lengthened. "Keep on Dancin'" by the Gentrys was only a minute and a half, lengthened to 2:16 (or thereabouts) by the record company.
 
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